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    Thumbs down EDIS signup experience

    I guess EDIS is scammer and Identity Thief now.
    I paid my VPS about 5 days ago.
    They never active my vps.
    And they keep ask me to send scan copy of my ID card.
    It seem they are total SCAM now, and try to steal their guest identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liword View Post
    I guess EDIS is scammer and Identity Thief now.
    I paid my VPS about 5 days ago.
    They never active my vps.
    And they keep ask me to send scan copy of my ID card.
    It seem they are total SCAM now, and try to steal their guest identity.
    No. You set off fraud alerts. So THEY do not you to scam them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    No. You set off fraud alerts. So THEY do not you to scam them!
    So you always give away your ID?
    Or you are just one of them.
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    Do you make an order using your local ISP IP or trough proxy/vpn/tunnel which makes your address different from your IP?

    Usually most provider will ask for identity scan if the address different from the IP. As long as you don't cheat, not using stolen paypal or stolen credit card, why don't you try to give them your ID?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liword View Post
    Or you are just one of them.
    Yes, that's it. I'm part of a worldwide ID theft syndicate posing as a web host. You caught me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erawan Arif Nugroho View Post
    Do you make an order using your local ISP IP or trough proxy/vpn/tunnel which makes your address different from your IP?

    Usually most provider will ask for identity scan if the address different from the IP. As long as you don't cheat, not using stolen paypal or stolen credit card, why don't you try to give them your ID?
    Why don't you give me your ID as long as you are not working with EDIS and help them do their SCAM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by liword View Post
    Why don't you give me your ID as long as you are not working with EDIS and help them do their SCAM?
    Here you go:

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    What for? I don't buy any services from you.
    If you sell any services, and I needed it, and you asked me my ID, I will give it to you.

    back to the question, do you make an order using proxy that makes your address different from your IP?

    And also please note, I'm not working for Edis, or any provider in here. I'm just me. A regular customer, just like you
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    It is a normal requirement that is needed from web hosting providers in some cases to avoid fraud, you can provide what they require or refund your money back.

    It is your choice and your not obligated to provide it, in the same way they are not obligated to provide you with service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    Here you go:

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    I finally caught you. I would like you to return my steering wheel
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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    I finally caught you. I would like you to return my steering wheel
    hahahaha....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    Here you go:

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    Don't want to be the buzzkill here...but your ID has expired and you should renew it before the cops catch up to your dirty schemes
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    So what exactly can a person do with your photo ID? The only thing I can think of that is on there that isn't publicly available is your signature and your driver's license # which doesn't hold any weight unless you're buying auto insurance, in which case you wouldn't be insuring yourself. Of course this is only my observation of IDs in the US so other countries might put other critical information on them.

    All of that being said, if you expect to do business online you need to be ready to verify your claims because "I say so" is not a valid argument and lawyers and payment processors don't consider that as such.

    Lastly, if you cannot trust a company enough with your personal information then it is YOUR fault for ordering services with a company you have no trust in. In the future, only purchase services from a company you trust that has a strong history and a privacy policy you agree with.
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    Why is is when some people don't get what they want, they cry scam?
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    Has anyone been able to determine where exactly the alleged identity theft took place?
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    @liword, asking your ID does not mean they are scammer. They have their own reason and usually because your order are flagged as high risk.


    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    Here you go:

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    Usually every month we are getting 2-3 orders similar to this. When we ask the ID / Passport copy hey are getting anger. I'm pretty much sure they are spammers.
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    But most of them don't realize that some of providers need to ask you for ID due KYC regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holzman View Post
    But most of them don't realize that some of providers need to ask you for ID due KYC regulations.
    I have yet to see any jurisdiction regulate web hosting to the point of requiring due diligence, aside from the Chinese ICP license requirements.

    I think you might be confusing KYC regulations with risk management. One is a legal requirement; the other is an internal policy to reduce the risk of fraud.
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    We are not scamming anyone and we surely are not stealing anyones identity.
    We have no reason to do so, doing hosting (etc.) now for 10+ years as one of the larger providers in Europe and one of the largest in Austria, running our own DC, Network, Transport (and a lot of foreign locations) and a large office in the mainsquare of Graz.

    We ask for ID if the order is either using obvious fake details, a proxy or VPN (even then we are lenient for restricted countries like China/UAE, just ask our Chinese customers or in fact our Chinese *resellers*) or non-matching payment methods (unverified new paypal under different name and email, for example. Securecode declined as another example with non matching CC issuer country/name.). Obviously the ID is protected by the Austrian data protection laws (which is regarded as one of the strictest worldwide and one of the strictest in the EU).

    I won't disclose which of this points apply here (but i know which customer it is) due to data protection restrictions (yes, we even apply them strictly to fake customer accounts and scammers/fraud orders, even after chargeback) but you can go figure (in fact i'm sure some customers here will just chime in and report that they were never asked for ID and maybe even others that were asked, provided it and now have total normal accounts with zero restrictions even on VPN/proxy orders) that we don't do this if all matches up.

    If it is not provided and the customer did not react to our request at all we automatically close the account and refund the payment to the source method (CC/Paypal), (again, data protection, but you can figure) this is done Tuesdays and Thursdays (formerly all 1-2 days, now scheduled since some time) and the customer is informed that it happens next Tue/Thur (or same day, if applicable).

    ("Disclosure": part of this text was (re)written by William @ EDIS (wording, legal restrictions, proofreading), source by Kevin @ EDIS, WHT account belongs only to Kevin obviously)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erawan Arif Nugroho View Post
    Do you make an order using your local ISP IP or trough proxy/vpn/tunnel which makes your address different from your IP?

    Usually most provider will ask for identity scan if the address different from the IP. As long as you don't cheat, not using stolen paypal or stolen credit card, why don't you try to give them your ID?
    Many times I've had to verify order due to being behind a different IP. I either re-sign in with my real IP during the order process, or give them a quick explanation. Simple truth, always works.




    Quote Originally Posted by bukzrock View Post
    Usually every month we are getting 2-3 orders similar to this. When we ask the ID / Passport copy hey are getting anger. I'm pretty much sure they are spammers.
    I agree. Usually a scammer or con-artist gets angry for not being able to run whatever scam they have in place. The brave ones will cry foul on the host..of course still getting found out in the end. Real scammers, once they're caught, just move to the next victim host and not fight it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JixHost View Post
    Why is is when some people don't get what they want, they cry scam?
    People cry all sorts of things when they don't understand. Rather than ask questions and research, they'd rather jump to conclusion.

    Entitlement runs deep throughout the socialized world as well - I wonder if that doesn't also play a factor sometimes.

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    About time to lock this thread..
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    maybe the card processor force them to do KYC...

    cpanel also asks for ID when you buy direct license...

    hetzner also does ask for ID for first time clients...

    none of them is a scammer, its common practice to ask for ID when cards involved for payment.

    you could wire transfer and prepay 1 or 2 years to avoid giving ID, this way, the KYC pass through the bank's wire transfer and they will be fine I think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by henrysmith View Post
    you could wire transfer
    No, thats wrong. We currently only accept PayPal and Credit Cards as payment method.
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