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  1. #1
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    Beware Wholesale Internet trying to steal customers

    I wanted to warn the WHT community. Recently WholeSale Internet registered joedatacenter.com a variation of my domain joesdatacenter.com and has it re-direct to their website wholesaleinternet.net. We are in no way affiliated with them. I can only assume they have done this to confuse potential buyers or steal customers trying to purchase from Joe's Datacenter. This is not only bad business practice but also possibly illegal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticyb...Protection_Act

    If anyone has purchased from WholeSale Internet by mistake thinking they were contacting us please let us know as it may help with legal action.



    WHOIS information for joedatacenter.com:***

    [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
    [Redirected to whois.enom.com]
    [Querying whois.enom.com]
    [whois.enom.com]


    Domain Name: JOEDATACENTER.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 1842856822_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
    Registrar URL: www.enom.com

    Creation Date: 2014-01-14 20:35:36Z
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-01-14 20:35:36Z
    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 48
    Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
    Domain Status: ok
    Registry Registrant ID:
    Registrant Name: AARON WENDEL
    Registrant Organization: WHOLESALE INTERNET, INC
    Registrant Street: 324 E. 11TH ST.
    Registrant Street: SUITE 1000
    Registrant City: KANSAS CITY
    Registrant State/Province: MO
    Registrant Postal Code: 64106
    Registrant Country: US
    Registrant Phone: +1.8162563031
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax: +1.3144315202
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: [email protected]
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: AARON WENDEL
    Admin Organization: WHOLESALE INTERNET, INC
    Admin Street: 324 E. 11TH ST.
    Admin Street: SUITE 1000
    Admin City: KANSAS CITY
    Admin State/Province: MO
    Admin Postal Code: 64106
    Admin Country: US
    Admin Phone: +1.8162563031
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax: +1.3144315202
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: [email protected]
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: AARON WENDEL
    Tech Organization: WHOLESALE INTERNET, INC
    Tech Street: 324 E. 11TH ST.
    Tech Street: SUITE 1000
    Tech City: KANSAS CITY
    Tech State/Province: MO
    Tech Postal Code: 64106
    Tech Country: US
    Tech Phone: +1.8162563031
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +1.3144315202
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: [email protected]
    Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
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    Cheers for the information, anyone from wholesale on the forums to talk about this? Also very sneaky of them if this is the case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xCubeHost View Post
    Cheers for the information, anyone from wholesale on the forums to talk about this? Also very sneaky of them if this is the case!
    Thanks you might check out this as well
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1346466

    as well it seems Datashack did the same thing some time back which is not surprising seeing as Aaron Wendel is an owner of both companies.
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    Good luck Joe!

    Hopefully things will work out and WII and DS will release those domains, or at least stop redirecting it to their sites.

    Edit: Looks like the redirect moved to ripoffreport.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by VN-Ken View Post
    Good luck Joe!

    Hopefully things will work out and WII and DS will release those domains, or at least stop redirecting it to their sites.

    Edit: Looks like the redirect moved to ripoffreport.com
    Yes it looks like he moved the link to get back at me for starting this thread. It looks like the WHT thread I started about datashack, another company Aaron owns doing the same thing, has been removed from WHT?
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    Lol the domain now redirects to ripoffreport!

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/joes-d...rs-and-1038569

    edit: whoops had the thread open too long before posting.
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    Datashack did the same thing with http://joesdatacentre.com

    WHOIS information for joesdatacentre.com:***

    [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
    [Redirected to whois.enom.com]
    [Querying whois.enom.com]
    [whois.enom.com]


    Domain Name: JOESDATACENTRE.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 1628874637_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
    Registrar URL: www.enom.com

    Creation Date: 2010-12-05 19:35:17Z
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-12-05 18:35:00Z
    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 48
    Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
    Domain Status: ok
    Registry Registrant ID:
    Registrant Name: BROOKS BROWN
    Registrant Organization: DATASHACK, LC
    Registrant Street: 201 EAST 16TH AVE.
    Registrant City: NORTH KANSAS CITY
    Registrant State/Province: MO
    Registrant Postal Code: 64114
    Registrant Country: US
    Registrant Phone: +1.8165551212
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax: +1.8165551212
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: [email protected]
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: BROOKS BROWN
    Admin Organization: DATASHACK, LC
    Admin Street: 201 EAST 16TH AVE.
    Admin City: NORTH KANSAS CITY
    Admin State/Province: MO
    Admin Postal Code: 64114
    Admin Country: US
    Admin Phone: +1.8165551212
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax: +1.8165551212
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: [email protected]
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: BROOKS BROWN
    Tech Organization: DATASHACK, LC
    Tech Street: 201 EAST 16TH AVE.
    Tech City: NORTH KANSAS CITY
    Tech State/Province: MO
    Tech Postal Code: 64114
    Tech Country: US
    Tech Phone: +1.8165551212
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +1.8165551212
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: [email protected]
    Name Server: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
    Name Server: DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM
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    I guess they're simply jealous of your business. Trying anything they can to take you down.
    Is the name trademarked? If so, I think you can get ownership of these domains. -- though it's unlikely you've gotten the trademark for the words "Joe" and "Datacenter".

    Good luck

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    Wow, this is very unprofessional of the owner of these two companies to do this.

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    Thank you that must be it! And instead of doing the right thing and taking them down he re-directs them both to a complaint site. Very petty.
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    Looks like it has been taken down now. I'm glad this has been resolved.
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    Do the same to them

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    Hah, that's pretty low. Thanks for letting us know.
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    We had this happen once had to get lawyer to sort them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HRR1963 View Post
    Do the same to them
    For what? this was a maneuver that bites wholesale internet back.

    Damn this was low
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    well, what to make of THIS ?( i did got confused with this ) ..
    just type : www.datashack.com and check urself.

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    I would have thought they were all friends since they are all in the same building... this must make for some pretty awkward elevator rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerical View Post
    I would have thought they were all friends since they are all in the same building... this must make for some pretty awkward elevator rides...
    Are they all in the same building? that would be a very awkward elevator ride...

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    its easy, even you can register those domains and put those information on. i don't think anyone would be idiot enough to put their own address when trying to steal anyone's customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reldegart View Post
    its easy, even you can register those domains and put those information on. i don't think anyone would be idiot enough to put their own address when trying to steal anyone's customer.
    I agree with you there but human stupidity knows no boundaries. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by mridulm View Post
    well, what to make of THIS ?( i did got confused with this ) ..
    just type : www.datashack.com and check urself.
    Reliablesite.net has been running that domain for quite some time, I've hit it a few times myself.

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    >> www.webhostingtalk.co

    Webair also advertises here. This isn't sneaky, it's general marketing practice, most large companies have hundreds of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNET-John View Post
    >> www.webhostingtalk.co

    Webair also advertises here. This isn't sneaky, it's general marketing practice, most large companies have hundreds of these.
    So everyone is involved in dirty trick marketing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askforhost View Post
    So everyone is involved in dirty trick marketing
    How is it any different than using Google Adwords to target searches for your competitors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNET-John View Post
    How is it any different than using Google Adwords to target searches for your competitors?
    I am not sure if in Google Adwrods, you are going to hit a brand directly to steal some customers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askforhost View Post
    I am not sure if in Google Adwrods, you are going to hit a brand directly to steal some customers?
    Search for Softlayer in google. The first ads I see are for centurylink and hosting.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOEsDC View Post
    It would only be illegal if they acted as if they were Joe's trying to deceive people. If they are forwarding to their brand on a completely different domain you will have a very hard time proving anything in court. I also believe that this doesn't fall under the cybersquatting law.

    Just contact them and buy out the domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNET-John View Post
    Search for Softlayer in google. The first ads I see are for centurylink and hosting.com.
    On top, still it is Softlayer, and a visitor actually get that where he is landing, instead of ^this practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetDepot - Terrence View Post
    Are they all in the same building? that would be a very awkward elevator ride...
    WSI
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    324 E. 11th Street
    Suite 1000
    Kansas City, MO 64106

    Joes
    324 E. 11th St. 26th Floor
    Kansas City, MO 64106
    816.326.0040

    I'd be clogging up their toilet and peeing on the floor of the other guy in this situation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerical View Post
    WSI
    Address
    324 E. 11th Street
    Suite 1000
    Kansas City, MO 64106

    Joes
    324 E. 11th St. 26th Floor
    Kansas City, MO 64106
    816.326.0040

    I'd be clogging up their toilet and peeing on the floor of the other guy in this situation...
    Cant stop laughing
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNET-John View Post
    Search for Softlayer in google. The first ads I see are for centurylink and hosting.com.
    I don't think that's the same thing as registering a domain name of another company to redirect business to your brand. That's low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOEsDC View Post
    It looks like the WHT thread I started about datashack, another company Aaron owns doing the same thing, has been removed from WHT?
    Sorry about that. I removed it because it appeared to be identical, though now I can see that it was slightly different.

    If you want, you can post your datashack info in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CD Burnt View Post
    Sorry about that. I removed it because it appeared to be identical, though now I can see that it was slightly different.

    If you want, you can post your datashack info in this thread.
    I already did. Thank you.
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    Surprised they haven't commented on this thread.

    While I don't know the full story behind this, if it was in-fact them and everything that's pretty harsh. As far as I know you used to get bandwidth from them? That's kind of like trying to steal a resellers customers now that hes grown into something bigger and better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CD Burnt View Post
    Sorry about that. I removed it because it appeared to be identical, though now I can see that it was slightly different.

    If you want, you can post your datashack info in this thread.
    And my apology as well cuz I reported that thread :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNET-John View Post
    >> www.webhostingtalk.co

    Webair also advertises here. This isn't sneaky, it's general marketing practice, most large companies have hundreds of these.
    Yeah, I agree with John here, things like this go on all the time even in your brick n' mortar world, nothing new. If they're not actually pretending to be Joes then it's just the joys of marketing. (Google AdWords has quite a bit of this).

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    Wonder why WSI no longer likes Joe's.. That would be awkward being in the same building running into each other.

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