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01-20-2014, 10:26 PM #1Web Hosting Guru
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The End of WebHostingTALK?
Is it just me or has WHT turned into the budget hosting forum? What happen to the old days? where did all the real business customers go? any way to turn this trend around?
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01-20-2014, 10:27 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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I've noticed this as well. When I first started off, I used to be able to rent out servers for $150+/month on here. Now, the only servers I can rent out are for $50/month. I'm not even wasting my time with a Corporate Membership because it's a waste. I'd rather put that $1,200 into advertising.
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01-20-2014, 10:31 PM #3Web Hosting Guru
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01-20-2014, 10:39 PM #4Disabled
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I suppose it's the credit crunch, people are all looking for the "cheapest" and not the reliable providers... until it's two late and with the Unlimited gimmick allowed here, it's all going to change.
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01-20-2014, 10:41 PM #5
Are you suggesting we start setting pricing minimums for providers?
The market has become flooded, and with that the price wars began. We're not here to prevent cheap offers, and it's not what I'd consider our place to say who can advertise what here as long as it's legal and they can provide what they sell.
As a provider of non budget offerings, it's up to you to convince buyers that basing a decision on price alone is not the best option, and show why your product is better for them, no?Your one stop shop for decentralization
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WHT is for the web hosting industry. Wherever the market takes them is what you'll see. You'll find plenty of providers who don't fit the "budget" title here - you'll just likely see more "budget" providers as time goes on as that's where a large portion of the market is going.
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01-20-2014, 10:48 PM #7Web Hosting Guru
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I really don't think that's the case, every new thread someone is looking for a $50 server and a few threads later they are complaining about poor service.
Proper services cost money to maintain and that is why they come at a cost. Many of these new folks on here don't really understand the real cost because of all these cheap deals floating around.
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01-20-2014, 10:48 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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Some price decline over time is to be expected. When customers see the price of bandwidth and consumer hard drives fall so much in recent years, they expect hosts to pass those savings on to them. Customers don't always understand all of the other costs linked to providing a hosting service.
I am not really sure WHT can turn customer perception around, though. The recession encouraged a lot of people to pinch pennies.█ No Support Linux Hosting ● Bargain cPanel Hosting ● Experts Only
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01-20-2014, 10:48 PM #9
I'd say allowing unlimited offers didn't particularly help increase the quality of the offers here. Though as bear mentioned, the market is saturated to high heaven. When you have a ton of cookie-cutter providers who offer the same or very similar services from the same or near same locations, how can one stand out and appear to be different from the other? Sell for less, is one way.
Having price limitations is also a horrible idea. Look at LET/LEB. That place has degraded so much and turned into a contest where small, unpopular providers have to compete on price and resource allocation. There are literally people selling 2GB+ RAM, multiple IPs, laughably large disk space, etc for $5/mo just to get a sale. It's sad.[ IncogNET LLC ] Privacy By Design [Liberty Lake, WA][Kansas City, MO][Allentown, PA][Naaldwijk, NL]
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01-20-2014, 10:57 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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01-20-2014, 10:58 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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01-20-2014, 11:01 PM #15Total Nerd
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Just a thought: What if WHT split the Offers section into 2 parts, Managed and Unmanaged (read: budget). I know the terms are subjective but maybe setting the requirements for a managed service as "24x7 Phone Support" or something of that nature?
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01-20-2014, 11:04 PM #16Web Hosting Guru
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01-20-2014, 11:10 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Is it just me or has WHT turned into the budget hosting forum? What happen to the old days? where did all the real business customers go? any way to turn this trend around?
I think part of the blame falls on the hosting companies when innovative companies were pushing shared hosting to new limits (e.g. webfaction), paas (heroku, docker, cloud66), iaas (aws, rackspace cloud, railsmachine), most WHT companies were still resting on their laurels. For example, hanging on to cpanel (decorating the turd by switching some components - litespeed, cloudlinux, r1soft, mariadb, and calling it nextgen) or believing the LAMP stack was still the holy grail (because they read "facebook uses php"), or on a higher end believing that with half a dozen dedicated servers and an onapp license that could challenge AWS. tl;dr hosts got lazy, big or startup customers (i.e. those with horizontal scaling requirements) went elsewhere.
Excluding resellers sitting on top of resellers, nowadays the majority of non-reseller punters that I can see are one-click WordPress users, or other off-shelf PHP apps, and if WHT does see any user that does scale it usually some clone file sharing site.
There's still some great discussions here but mainly around colo, data-centers, bandwidth etc.. which are probably serving bigger customers through other avenues than WHTLast edited by MattF; 01-20-2014 at 11:13 PM.
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01-20-2014, 11:11 PM #20
They allow them now.
I don't entirely disagree with the notion as most consumers who buy into the unlimited marketing don't know any better. They genuinely have no idea that their little low traffic Wordpress blog about their homemade dog bow-ties takes less than <150MB disk to store. But they don't want 'restricted' by real and practical limits.
Though to be honest, offering these services are probably good for business. Lots of big name unlimited providers that can finally advertise on WHT whereas before they could not. The average 'unlimited hosting' customer just wants their stuff up and running and don't know any better. Most are burned by these sort of hosts eventually, which is why most hosts who offer these services try to push 1, 2 and 3 year hosting plans.[ IncogNET LLC ] Privacy By Design [Liberty Lake, WA][Kansas City, MO][Allentown, PA][Naaldwijk, NL]
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01-20-2014, 11:13 PM #21Web Hosting Guru
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01-20-2014, 11:15 PM #23Web Hosting Master
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Economy and competition. Seven years ago when I started advertising on webhostingtalk, I used to post an offer thread and it would stay on the first page for 10 days, now its down to a few hours. With so much competition, prices are bound to decrease for the consumer.
However, I think a majority of the problem comes from illegitimate businesses. New hosts trying to get in the business with no business experience and pricing themselves out of business, kid hosts who aren't interested in a living wage or long term solution, and scam businesses who sell annual plans or loads of low cost plans and then disappearing after 6 months or stop paying their providers until they get shut down.
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01-20-2014, 11:22 PM #24Web Hosting Guru
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01-20-2014, 11:24 PM #25Junior Guru Wannabe
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WHT has nothing to do with the offers or prices of hosting companies. Like what others mentioned already, there are so many hosting companies out there so the competition is at the roof. I don't think WHT can do anything about it. Unless of course, you want the admins from WHT to try each of the hosting (which is virtually impossible).
Large companies can offer much lower prices while small - medium companies tries to match this with quality of service.
But then again, in my opinion WHT is greatly needed this time because this is the most popular place to find reviews or even get support from hosting companies.
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