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01-10-2014, 07:34 AM #1Newbie
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Blacklotus, voxility, staminus, awknet or cnservers?
For the past month I've been using fiberhub's ddos protection and it seems that its not enough to protevt my servers. I wanted to check which of these providers are cost effective since mu buget is only $300 for a 32gb ram 2x 120 or 240gb ssd and /27 ip.
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01-10-2014, 07:48 AM #2Digital Marketing Strategist
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Your budget is too low, I don't think either of them would be able to provide you with DDoS protection and such server hardware for just $300. You would have your best chances with CNServers though.
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01-10-2014, 08:02 AM #3WHT Addict
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It all depends on your needs. BlackLotus and Staminus are both great.
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01-10-2014, 12:31 PM #4Aspiring Evangelist
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Have you confirmed the current limits of protection with the limits these other providers can provide? You may have to increase your budget to get what you need, but it would be best to first confirm the level of protection each can provide. Moving to a new provider only to run into the same issues would obviously be a lot of wasted effort.
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01-10-2014, 02:03 PM #5Premium Member
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Hmmm... I was actually interested in trying the DDOS protection from FiberHub for my rack. They use BlackLotus to filter the incoming BW. What issues did you encounter with them?
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01-10-2014, 02:09 PM #6Web Hosting Guru
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01-10-2014, 07:16 PM #7Junior Guru
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BlackLotus sucks. Don't ever use them. They're liars and con artists.
http://i.imgur.com/jgPPHvz.png
I've used them personally and the protection I paid for was 10Gbps and they nulled me on a 9Gbps attack and refused to unnull. It didn't mitigate that attack or even smaller ones. I now use Staminus and they handle anything.
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01-10-2014, 07:21 PM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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01-10-2014, 07:22 PM #9Junior Guru
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01-10-2014, 07:40 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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We've generally been pretty happy using Blacklotus as the back-end for our DoS protection service. They regularly mitigate attacks up to 10Gbps for us without any problem, and I'm confident that they'd handle larger attacks if we were paying for that level of protection.
I think that there is often a lot of unrealistic expectations for how well mitigation technology works, especially for services that can't easily be run through a proxy or that are latency sensitive, like game servers. With a few notable exceptions, most of our customers have no complaints.
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01-10-2014, 07:50 PM #11Web Hosting Guru
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I think your best bet is to purchase an OVH server in the US Location.
They probably provide filtering at a better price to spec ratio than the others.
Blacklotus (Never used directly but via Limestonenetworks they null on 10G no burst as Jeff states they do)
Voxilty (Very Very expensive hard to work with as language is romanian and they don't speak english that well)
Staminus(Good but expensive)
Awknet (If you want downtime for a few weeks then for it to appear back online that's fine)
CNServers probably another option they seem to be the leader in the market for filtering to price ratio but hardware wise I'm not sure they offer a great deal such as OVH.
Keep an eye on this page; http://ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/
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01-10-2014, 08:47 PM #12Junior Guru Wannabe
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01-10-2014, 09:51 PM #13Premium Member
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01-10-2014, 10:00 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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We are in contact with Versaweb at times as we see spikes on the BW charts from the leftover traffic that's still getting filtered out. The protection works for our needs, but it's not for everyone. For the price you pay per month, you can't really complain at all. They suit our needs just fine.
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01-10-2014, 10:07 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Due to the shared nature of the service we provide, we aren't able to provide individualized graphs or much data on attacks. We can pull it on a one-off basis, but that's about the limit of the functionality we offer. We could certainly look to add more access to information, but we'd likely have to raise prices significantly to offset the costs involved.
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01-10-2014, 10:23 PM #16Premium Member
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01-10-2014, 10:29 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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In our case, if an attack exceeds our protection limits, it will be automatically null routed. Once we are notified of the null route, we do of course pass that info along to our customers. More often than not we end up confirming to a customer that they've been nulled rather than the notification being proactive, but that's just a matter of timing as far as when tickets are put in and notifications are received.
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01-11-2014, 01:54 AM #18Web Hosting Master
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01-11-2014, 02:02 AM #19Not so experienced
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I use CNservers and have no complaints. They are VERY fast on support (Within minutes/seconds) and usually go beyond what you would expect to help out.
We once had a problem with SSL traffic not working on our VPS servers, and they had a look and found a fix (It was a problem on our VPS host nodes)
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01-11-2014, 02:15 AM #20CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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Do you seriously believe anything posted at "**********.com" is an actual review? It in itself is a fraudulent site.
We've already addressed the 9 Gbps vs. 10 Gbps issue in other threads. If you're null routed it is because our 1:150 flow sample indicates traffic of 10 Gbps+ (in case that your attack limit is 10 Gbps).
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01-11-2014, 02:16 AM #21CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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01-11-2014, 12:00 PM #22Newbie
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Rob,
My ips are getting null routed and i am not getting any answers to my tickets nor an advisory that my ip is nullrouted.
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01-11-2014, 09:49 PM #23Web Hosting Guru
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I saw the review of BL before and it is fake posted. There is no different where you get your DDoS protection. When your limit reached, your IP will be null route. In any provide this rules exist. We use BlackLotus and never had any issue.
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01-11-2014, 10:20 PM #24Junior Guru Wannabe
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01-23-2014, 05:28 PM #25Web Hosting Master
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I always get an immediate response on emergency tickets from FiberHub.
Black Lotus DDoS mitigation is superb. We've used them before through Fiberhub and they completely screened a multi Gbps attack.
We're trying out CNServers now -- good so far. I'll be writing up a review in a few months or so.▄▀▄ Brian Harrison, Lead Engineer - Reprise Hosting (AS62838)
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