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    High Risk Merchant for handmade water pipes

    Im looking for a merchant or high risk merchant that allows me to sell my handmade function art. They are water pipes. All the processors I have found so far have seemed very untrustworthy, can anyone suggest one that works for them? Thanks

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    Currently Highriskpay.com is the one that contacts me the most asking for my business saying they can help me out. I just want to make sure they are legit

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    Well, you may try WireCard, 2checkout, Ogone and various other payment processors like SafeCharge etc.

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    Theres are a lot of payment gateways out there

    Paypal,Worldpay,sage. But it really depends on country as some have different laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiumServer View Post
    Theres are a lot of payment gateways out there

    Paypal,Worldpay,sage. But it really depends on country as some have different laws
    I'm pretty sure Paypal doesn't allow such transactions for "Pipes, Bong's, etc"

    relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenoo View Post
    I'm pretty sure Paypal doesn't allow such transactions for "Pipes, Bong's, etc"
    Lol, like people would ever smoke "tobacco" out of a disgusting water pipe. :p

    Back in my teen years I saw too many people drooling into the pipes water and etc. not to mention the whole face/mouth herpes/hpv thing.

    Have fun inhaling your buddies spit if you use those nasty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apixdesign View Post
    Im looking for a merchant or high risk merchant that allows me to sell my handmade function art. They are water pipes. All the processors I have found so far have seemed very untrustworthy, can anyone suggest one that works for them? Thanks

    Are you based in the US? If so I could recommend a couple of processors that would support your product type.
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    Drug paraphermalia won't be accepted... (stupid them!)

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    I have processors that board merchant selling smoking devices as long as they are marketed correctly. Apparently and against common belief, people smoke other things then just drugs from pipes. Its been going on for thousands of years. I live in a big city, we have neighborhoods where there is a hookah bar on every corner. Its cultural, not illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerformanceCard View Post
    I have processors that board merchant selling smoking devices as long as they are marketed correctly. Apparently and against common belief, people smoke other things then just drugs from pipes. Its been going on for thousands of years. I live in a big city, we have neighborhoods where there is a hookah bar on every corner. Its cultural, not illegal.


    Which processor ?

    What you are saying might be true but does NOT apply to 90% of the monkey processors...

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    I would definitely agree with you there, most will not touch it. My company specializes in high risk and offshore options, so we see this business type from time to time. Its not easy to place but it can be done. Many of the processors that will support this business type try to keep out of the public eye.
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    * Re

    2card, wirecheck are some of the important merchants which can be used

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry12 View Post
    2card, wirecheck are some of the important merchants which can be used
    Last I checked, neither of those processors would support this product line.
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    And what about electronic cigarettes e-cigs, do you know any processor that accept them ? It seems that Paypal close accounts in US ?

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    Correct - Paypal no longer supports e-cigs
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerformanceCard View Post
    Correct - Paypal no longer supports e-cigs

    I just heard from a partner that if a company is based in a place like Hong Kong, they can get a Paypal account for e-cig. I guess this is a type of work-around for the US e-cig merchants who have recently been closed by Paypal. I went to an e-cig site that was based in China and tried to use Paypal and it worked, so this might be something for you e-cig merchants to consider - Incorporate outside the US and you can still target US customers using Paypal.
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    Wrong.

    Paypal for e-cigs works for anybody until Paypal bots and monkeys find out.

    There is no special rule for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buythiscomputer View Post
    Wrong.

    Paypal for e-cigs works for anybody until Paypal bots and monkeys find out.

    There is no special rule for anyone.

    I dug a bit deeper on this and I agree with you. When I contacted a merchant account manager at Paypal HK, I was told that this business type is acceptable. However, when I brought this up to a US executive they told me that regardless of where the business is located, it will still fall under the Paypal prohibited business in their acceptable use policy. So, looks like this a case of an account manager not fully understanding what is prohibited.

    You might get an auto approval, but as buythiscomputer says, the bots will catch up to you eventually.
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    Thousands of e-cig sellers had their account locked...

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    Ok - the plot thickens! Check out this reply I received from Paypal after hounding them about jurisdiction of merchant:

    Thank you for contacting PayPal's Brand Risk Management Department regarding your Electronic Cigarette questions.

    The PayPal User Agreement states that PayPal, at its sole discretion, reserves the right to limit an account for any violation of the User Agreement, including the Acceptable Use Policy.

    Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used for the sale of certain products that present a risk to consumer safety. To identify products that jeopardize consumer safety, PayPal reviews laws, regulations and other government actions, other available information, and marketing content related to the product. The sale of e-cigarettes or electronic cigarettes from your jurisdiction is covered by this policy. At this time any PayPal Merchants in Brazil, Canada and the United States of America fall under this Jurisdiction.

    If you have any further questions, please contact the PayPal Brand Risk Management Department at aup@paypal.com.

    Sincerely,
    Sofia
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    PayPal, an eBay Company

    ____________

    So, perhaps my original comments on Hong Kong based e-cig are correct, its acceptable!
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    So it means that is is only forbidden in Brazil, Canada and USA ?

    Hard to believe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buythiscomputer View Post
    So it means that is is only forbidden in Brazil, Canada and USA ?

    Hard to believe...


    I totally agree and would still use other methods of payment over Paypal. However, this is from the horses mouth, pun intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerformanceCard View Post
    I just heard from a partner that if a company is based in a place like Hong Kong, they can get a Paypal account for e-cig. I guess this is a type of work-around for the US e-cig merchants who have recently been closed by Paypal. I went to an e-cig site that was based in China and tried to use Paypal and it worked, so this might be something for you e-cig merchants to consider - Incorporate outside the US and you can still target US customers using Paypal.
    I'll be interested to follow this, often times processors won't allow you to sell those products within the jurisdiction where they are restricted, it's kind of a case by case basis from what I've seen in part based on the question of whether they are taking on any liability, I'd definitely steer away from a US company if possible and when looking international you should also consider the tax issues.

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    Your best bet may be to look at accepting Bitcoin. Several Bitcoin processors will turn Bitcoin payments into cash that gets deposited directly into your bank account. Check out Bitpay.com, coinbase.com or gocoin.com . There are no chargebacks when accepting Bitcoin.
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