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    Finally Cutting Cable/Sattelite

    Have been contemplating doing this for years, but being such a huge NFL junkie, I've kept DirectTV simply for NFL Sunday Ticket. However, as soon as this season is over next month, I think we'll be cutting everything.

    What I Watch
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    Few Television Shows (Revolution, Homeland, Mad Men, Walking Dead, etc)
    News (During The Day, MSNBC or CNN is on every minute). However, I only "religiously" watch PBS Newshour, Frontline, Nova, and Nightly News. I've also been a subscriber of the Times for quite a while, and enjoy that.
    Sports. I don't watch the commentary as much as I used to. However, I try to catch as many Sixers and Bulls games as I can. I mainly only watch NFL, every game, every Sunday.

    What I Plan To Do
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    OTA Free Television. I'll get solid reception for ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS, and a few others. I'll be buying a Mohu Leaf for every television.
    Netflix subscription, been a member for probably 10 years. Back when they were mailing DVDs.
    Amazon Prime, pretty much a redundant subset of Netflix's library. But I pay for the shipping benefits mainly. And the awesome Kindle stuff. (Kindle First, Kindle Library)
    HuluPlus subscription. I used to use Hulu ALOT. Back in the 'beta' days. Never paid for it however since we have DirecTV with 3 DVRS.
    Buy TV shows, per episodes. I'm fine with the concept of a "lifetime" lease for content at Amazon. $3/episode is fine considering I'll only need to pay for what's not available at Hulu Plus.

    This will all be watched through Roku 3 devices I already have and love, and I don't seem to be losing any of the real content I watch. Really, this is all about television, since I rarely watch any movies through DirecTV anyway.

    Hulu generally carries the latest 5 episodes of the current season for many of the networks, including Comedy Central (Daily Show, Colbert Report). So as long as I'm able to stay semi-current with the shows I enjoy, that $8/mo Hulu subscription will cover most of my television needs. Especially considering, episodes make it onto Hulu the next morning.

    For shows on networks not on Hulu, things like AMC and FX, I think I'm willing to pay the $3/episode at Amazon. They too make it available next day. Since it's only a handful of shows, one episode a week, it may cost me $50/mo during the seasons. Which may seem like a lot, but it isn't considering that goes down to $0/mo when the shows are not airing, which is like 7 months out of the year.

    Between Netflix, and Amazon Prime, there's also a healthy backlog of TV and movies for "random watching", which essentially replaces channel surfing on DirecTV...and actually has for quite some time already.

    What Do I Lose?
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    I do lose "Premium" channels completely. I'd have no way of getting HBO or Showtime. The episodes from those networks' shows are not available on Amazon the next day. So I'd essentially have to wait until the Blu-Rays are released and buy those (or the digital copies) seasons at a time. Which isn't entirely bad since I can only name 4 shows I lose between those channels. The Newsroom, Game of Thrones, Real Time w/ Bill Maher, and Homeland.

    Real Time is the only one that is time sensitive since it's a news commentary show. The others, I'm fine being a tad behind culture, waiting for the Blu-Ray and binge watching. I could just torrent Real Time as I've done so many times in the past to listen to it while driving anyway.

    I do lose live coverage for certain things. For example, if something breaks, but isn't big enough to break into network broadcast, I won't have the cable news channels to watch.

    With that said, I believe the new MSNBC.com allows streaming the network live, and also puts of all of its content in chunks.

    Also, if something major happens in sports, I won't necessarily be able to watch the commentary of my favorite personalities on ESPN.

    Since the only sport I really care about is the NFL, I could just go to NFL.com who also put just about every minute of aired footage in chunks.

    I do lose the NBA playoff games that are played on TNT, ESPN, and NBA TV. However the Finals series is all on ABC, which I'll still get live.

    Another thing I lose is DVR functionality for what's not available with the on demand services. The only thing that comes to mind here are latest episodes of Frontline and Nova. I'm not entirely sure how I'll watch that. Although, I haven't looked just yet, I do believe they are available at PBS' website fairly quickly.

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    I'm not entirely doing this to save money. It's just that I can't justify paying the $110/mo I'm paying for DirecTV anymore.

    Here's what I roughly calculate me spending with my new setup, keep in mind I'm paying $1320/yr + tax, fees at DirecTV.

    Netflix - $9/mo

    HuluPlus - $9/mo

    Amazon - $0 - I'm not counting this because I mainly pay for the shipping and there's no added video content compared to Netflix.

    Those are the only subscriptions. That's $240/yr.

    Then, episodic content that I need to buy will only be for lets say 6 shows a year. Which is overestimating considering AMC's good shows are ending (Breaking Bad, Mad Men) and there's really not that much of FX or TNT that I watch. American Horror Story is all I can think of. So, actually, let's just say 3. 3 shows x 24 episodes/yr. That's 72 episodes that I need to buy at $3 a piece. Which comes to $216.

    We're at $456 on the year so far. The only thing left is the season of the 3 shows at the premium channels (HBO and Showtime) which are sold for $30 at Amazon. So add another $90/yr.

    We're at nearly $550/yr. And that's it. Went from spending over $1300 to under $600. Over 50% savings, which I think losing what little I'm losing is worth it.

    One Time Expenses
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    I already have the TVs of course for our 3 rooms, and one of them already has the Roku. So I need 2 more Rokus and 3 Mohu Leafs. Which comes to an equipment cost of $390.

    So the first year I'm spending $940, then $550/yr after that.

    Thoughts?

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    Something I've been thinking about doing for a long time and just haven't pulled the plug...though it's mainly because of the shows my wife watches...I don't really watch that many anyway...though it seems 90% of the time these days shes just watching stuff on netflix anyway so I feel like I'm paying $130 a month for netflix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel B View Post
    Something I've been thinking about doing for a long time and just haven't pulled the plug...though it's mainly because of the shows my wife watches...I don't really watch that many anyway...though it seems 90% of the time these days shes just watching stuff on netflix anyway so I feel like I'm paying $130 a month for netflix...
    Go ahead and get it done. Unless I've made a mistake in the money calculations, I would find it hard to believe your wife watches more than us. With HuluPlus + buying episodes at $3 a piece, I think anyone would come out ahead.

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    There are a number of problems with that
    Firstly, you don't get the episode as it airs. So, that conversation that your buddy is having about the latest SOA episode? Yeah, you'll have to wait a day or two to see what (s)he's talking about. That friend that spoiled the fact that character X died on Walking Dead? Damn, you just missed it.

    Secondly, content is regulated by the distributor. A perfect example of this is NCIS and unbox. While they have licenses available for much of the year, they yank those licenses when the new season stops. So, that show you purchased? Yeah, you can't access it during the blackout period.

    Thirdly, more delays.
    Take a show, ANY show from HBO. They have some good stuff, believe me. Now, try GETTING the most current season of that show on Unbox/iTunes? Can't be done. You have to wait until months after the season ends (most likely when they release the season on DVD) to get it.

    Now, contrary to this, with Tivo and my cable sub? I control the content. I move things from Tivo to my PC. I edit them (there's a grey area there, I'm sure ), I decide when they're available.

    You may be spending less, but I get to control what I watch, when I watch it, how I watch it. In bed, on my PC, on my laptop, watching in the front room, midnight, middle of July, August, January, you name it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    There are a number of problems with that
    Firstly, you don't get the episode as it airs. So, that conversation that your buddy is having about the latest SOA episode? Yeah, you'll have to wait a day or two to see what (s)he's talking about. That friend that spoiled the fact that character X died on Walking Dead? Damn, you just missed it.
    Absolutely. 5 years ago, this would've been the biggest factor for me and is a perfectly valid reason not to go this route for many people. However, personally speaking, this is not something I'm worried too much about.

    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Secondly, content is regulated by the distributor. A perfect example of this is NCIS and unbox. While they have licenses available for much of the year, they yank those licenses when the new season stops. So, that show you purchased? Yeah, you can't access it during the blackout period.

    Now, contrary to this, with Tivo and my cable sub? I control the content. I move things from Tivo to my PC. I edit them (there's a grey area there, I'm sure ), I decide when they're available.

    You may be spending less, but I get to control what I watch, when I watch it, how I watch it. In bed, on my PC, on my laptop, watching in the front room, midnight, middle of July, August, January, you name it.
    I'm not sure you're entirely accurate here. If I buy the latest (two days ago) episode of The Walking Dead at Amazon from the link below. I'm fairly sure that stays in my library regardless of the airing schedule of the show. When (if) season 5 starts, I'll still be able to watch that episode since I own it. ("lifetime" lease rather).

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...&redirect=true

    Now, of course if something happens between AMC and Amazon, where Amazon is forced to pull all AMC content out of my library, I'd lose it. Which is why I understand that I don't 'own' it, and you do lose a little control.

    However, practically speaking, that episode aired Sunday. Let's say I pay the $3 tonight and watch it. That's it. I don't feel a need to 'own' it any more than that. I've already consumed it and am waiting for the next episode.

    If I want to watch that episode again years later and it's no longer in my Amazon library., I'll gladly buy the Blu-Ray season when it releases with all the money I'm saving. At which point, I'll be in a better position of content ownership than you and your TiVO.

    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Thirdly, more delays.
    Take a show, ANY show from HBO. They have some good stuff, believe me. Now, try GETTING the most current season of that show on Unbox/iTunes? Can't be done. You have to wait until months after the season ends (most likely when they release the season on DVD) to get it.
    Yes. I did concede in my original post that I am pretty much losing HBO and Showtime along with their content. However, again, due to my personal viewing habits and preferences, I don't mind being behind and waiting for the Blu-Ray. Which, again puts me in a better position in terms of content ownership.

    At the end of the day, this all only works if you're willing to be behind a day or two on most shows, and behind an entire season on few others. Which we are. Not everyone would be I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Secondly, content is regulated by the distributor. A perfect example of this is NCIS and unbox. While they have licenses available for much of the year, they yank those licenses when the new season stops. So, that show you purchased? Yeah, you can't access it during the blackout period.
    Not that it's difficult to remove the DRM from Unbox videos (which I believe is legal at least in the US, as long as you are only using the videos for your personal entertainment and not sharing them with anyone). I'm pretty sure nobody can control it at that point - the content providers could complain all they want but you'd still have a fully watchable video.

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    I have not had cable for years.

    I grew up being glued to the TV from the second I got home from school 3pm to the time I went to bed 9-10PM. When I purchased my condo, it came with a free 3 month trial and I canceled it after the 3 months. I suffered for a bit, tried OTA and it worked wonders. I picked up quite a few local stations I watched.

    Netflix is really the only thing I pay for. I've been living under a rock for years now so watching a series like Lost for weeks and weeks is okay. For those who like to keep up with the social aspect of TV series, you will suffer .
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    We did that and with more and more channels coming to Roku(or online), don't miss a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derp View Post
    Not that it's difficult to remove the DRM from Unbox videos
    Oh, it's not . I know that one
    Problem is that even with higher end processors/GPU's/systems, you still get the occasional glitch when doing this, and that just looks really weird in HD
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    I don't own a TV. Haven't in years and I think my time is being spent more constructively without one.

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    I think your plan is excellent.

    The only thing that bothers me is the $3/episode on Amazon for part of the year. Are there not cheaper alternatives to that?

    Even if not, it's still a huge savings. I only wonder if that $3/episode can be cut somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    Even if not, it's still a huge savings. I only wonder if that $3/episode can be cut somehow.
    $3 is pretty standard for HD, $2 for SD. This is pretty much universal (Apple, Amazon). About the only way you might be able to cut this down is to get a 'season pass', which might drop that down a bit more.
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    We got rid of cable, satellite, and the home phone. It's a lot of wasted monthly $$$.

    Our home phone never rang since we always use our cell home...and there's so much programming on the net between youtube and netflix...why pay cable. I believe Canadian Netflix has 3000 titles and U.S. 11,000...good ol vpn. But who would ever watch 11,000 title!!

    The biggest joke...the major tv stations here live stream the morning, evening, and night news, and also put up all the new shows online by the next day after its aired, which is equivalent to owning a PVR, so no one is missing anything.

    Between my 20's and mid 30's, had my tv, no cable, no time for TV.....time well spent. Do not feed the Idiot Box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    I think your plan is excellent.

    The only thing that bothers me is the $3/episode on Amazon for part of the year. Are there not cheaper alternatives to that?

    Even if not, it's still a huge savings. I only wonder if that $3/episode can be cut somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    $3 is pretty standard for HD, $2 for SD. This is pretty much universal (Apple, Amazon). About the only way you might be able to cut this down is to get a 'season pass', which might drop that down a bit more.
    Yeah, exactly. $3 is pretty much what it is. At first, it did seem a bit much to me, especially if I was in a situation where I wanted to watch an entire season of a show like Breaking bad. That's like $40 right there. However, compared to the amount I'm saving, it's definitely worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    why pay cable.
    If you're happy waiting days and months to get your content, then by all means go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    If you're happy waiting days and months to get your content, then by all means go for it!
    It's not days and months. I know Netflix has a delayed contract on getting content, but Television stations are not dumb because they know people many people have cancelled their cable and only use internet, so in turn, all the shows can be watched from the tv stations website 24 hours or less after it was aired on television...and as I mentioned, the news is streamed live. So instead of buying/renting a PVR and paying for cable, go online and watch the show for "free".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    It's not days and months.
    Re-read my statement about this earlier this week:

    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Thirdly, more delays.
    Take a show, ANY show from HBO. They have some good stuff, believe me. Now, try GETTING the most current season of that show on Unbox/iTunes? Can't be done. You have to wait until months after the season ends (most likely when they release the season on DVD) to get it.
    HBO:
    Game of Thrones - current season still not available. Season ended June 9
    Boardwalk Empire - current season still not available. Season ended Nov 24
    The Newsroom - current season still not available . Season ended September 15th

    Showtime:
    Homeland - current season still not available. Season ends Dec 15th
    Californication - current season (previous) still not available. Season ended April 7th

    Dexter (out only because the final season was released on DVD)

    Like I said, if you want to wait days, even months, and have very limited (no) control over when you watch things , go for it.

    Hulu and Netflix BOTH have to abide by the network's agreements. That means that you can watch things as long as they exist on hulu/netflix, which is usually 1-4 weeks for most stations. Some shows allow longer, but not many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Homeland - current season still not available. Season ends Dec 15th
    Love this show I've watched all the recent episodes online.


    As I mentioned

    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    I know Netflix has a delayed contract on getting content, but Television stations are not dumb because they know people many people have cancelled their cable and only use internet, so in turn, all the shows can be watched from the tv stations website 24 hours or less after it was aired on television...and as I mentioned, the news is streamed live. So instead of buying/renting a PVR and paying for cable, go online and watch the show for "free".

    I do agree with what you said, but it does depend on the show. For instance, Agents of SHEILD, I watch from the television stations website the next day after it's aired. I'm caught up on all 9 episodes. In essence that "could" damage a Netflix type service since they probably won't get it until next year after everyone with or without cable would has already watched it, BUT for people who watch TV occasionally and not care if a show is a few years old, it's perfect for them....not any different than re-runs of good shows. When I was younger, I was busy with school and work, TV was not a priority, so Netflix would have been great service.

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    You're conveniently leaving out the part I quoted.
    The reality is that it is days and months for these shows
    HBO, Showtime, etc... You can't even GET these shows online legally unless you have a subscription (or, like I said, wait months).
    If you want to steal someone's crap, that's not a point in your favor, by any means.
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    Since reading is not fundamental, I will bold and color my words for you to get a better understanding of what I said;

    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    Love this show I've watched all the recent episodes online.


    As I mentioned




    I do agree with what you said, but it does depend on the show. For instance, Agents of SHEILD, I watch from the television stations website the next day after it's aired. I'm caught up on all 9 episodes.



    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    You're conveniently leaving out the part I quoted.
    The reality is that it is days and months for these shows
    HBO, Showtime, etc... You can't even GET these shows online legally unless you have a subscription (or, like I said, wait months).
    If you want to steal someone's crap, that's not a point in your favor, by any means.
    Look at this link http://www.ctv.ca/ Please tell me how I'M stealing someones crap when the TELEVISION STATION that the SHOW AIRED is DISTRIBUTING the SAME SHOW ONLINE VIA THEIR OWN WEBSITES.


    Geez. Maybe I should send ctv.ca a DMCA notice. Imagine the BILLIONS of $$$$$ in STOLEN CONTENT they've aired.

    Oh, just in case your still confused...ctv.ca IS a TELEVISION STATION UNDER BELL MEDIA. If YOU are interested that these people are STEALING content, you may contact them here



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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    You can't even GET these shows online legally unless you have a subscription (or, like I said, wait months).
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    And again, you fail to actually comprehend what was posted.
    You WILL wait months for the shows listed. You can try to deny it all you like, but you cannot obtain them legally without a subscription

    So, the point, which you conveniently choose to ignore, is still valid. You just want to ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    And again, you fail to actually comprehend what was posted.
    You WILL wait months for the shows listed. You can try to deny it all you like, but you cannot obtain them legally without a subscription

    So, the point, which you conveniently choose to ignore, is still valid. You just want to ignore it.
    My gosh. YOU missed the part I mentioned about Netflix. Are you going to argue that me PAYING for Netflix and OTHER LEGAL subscriptions are WRONG??????????

    I am not ignoring anything. The fact that you attempted to publicly call me a theft is not only an insult, but a lack on understanding on your part...not mine.

    Let's break this down again for the people in the seats in the far back;

    MY family watches Netflix, LEGAL SUBSCRIPTIONS, or TELEVISION WEBSITE supplied content, whether FREE or through a VALID CREDIT CARD!!! I also use a VPN for WORK and a wider access to LEGAL TELEVISION CONTENT!!!

    I've had 0 infractions this year and I chose to carry out the last 4 weeks doing the same. This is neither a valid nor an intelligent argument.

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