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    Online.net Anti-DDoS

    I am interested about a dedicated server at online.net but i can' t find the difference between the two anti-ddos options, maybe someone tried them both?
    I am going to host a gameserver so i need permanent mitigation.

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    From what I can see the curative has, Larger Protection, More Support, and more personalization.
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    Maybe someone knows more specific details ?

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    Online.net is having some serious packet drop issues from the past few months , make sure you consider it before singing up
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    Have you tried contacting them directly? They will probably be able to explain this the best for you.
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    go for the professional version (arbor)

    We had a 30 minutes downtime yesterday while being "mitigated" by "Sevi" ... the basic (free) protection.
    This was attack:
    http://i.imgur.com/kI17Exl.png

    but a few hours later we got this other one:
    http://i.imgur.com/kASodny.png

    and apparently it handled better.

    I did not took attack samples there so don't know exactly what kind of attacks those were.

    I suppose, based on PPS and attack type, they were either dns reflected or chargen reflected ddos (those are the two attacks we receive mostly against that customer)
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    I would stay away from Online.net specially if you are looking for DDoS protection.
    I ordered from them the gen2 classic with the extra customer support and the professional service. And it was the worst experience ever, their mitigation is very slow to detect any attack, even the low ones. Also their support doesn't not exist, even I paid for extra support service, my tickets got responded after 3 days which is a joke and it is not like their SLA claim so except lies from them and market gimmick if they can't even meet their simple SLA rules.

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    So any ddos protected dedi like ovh, online.net to suggest?

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    nobody currently can beat OVH's price/performance ratio
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    OVH also sucks, I'm having a lot of trouble with them, my players are disconnecting from my gameserver every 5 minutes (from eastern side of europe).

    The rest is fine..If I remove my server from their firewall everything works fine..but If I get an attack while not being in their FW they'll nullroute my IP.. so what am I supposed to do? Erm.

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    I've cancelled the two serves I had with online.net as they were going down when targeted with dns reflection attacks.

    Moved those customers back to OVH and no issues so far.
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    Well, maybe it's me that is just unlucky. Are they on permanent mitigation? Some people have no problems at all! But some that are in Eastern Europe (Poland, Sweden, etc.) have a lot of problems staying in the server, if they use something like WTFast or Battleping they can connect without any problem, so it's definitly a routing issue.

    Anyway, OVH doesn't even reply to the emails sent to their "anti-ddos" support email...

    Dunno, what should I do, there isn't any good EU ddos DC, at least with an affordable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionCrazy View Post
    I've cancelled the two serves I had with online.net as they were going down when targeted with dns reflection attacks.

    Moved those customers back to OVH and no issues so far.
    So this means OVH ddos is better than online?
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    It should be, but don't expect any support from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by net View Post
    So this means OVH ddos is better than online?
    Based on my experience the "free" ovh antiddos is way better then the "free" online.net antiddos.

    OVH has never ever let a dns reflected attack reach my server... and that's the most used and easiest to filter attack currently around...
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    Yea, because OVH blocks UDP with strict limits in general...

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    Quote Originally Posted by net View Post
    So this means OVH ddos is better than online?
    No it doesn't work, the firewall still working as it's last step you can do null route the IP address (old way) and this way you can stop the DDOS attack, here is my experience with OVH:
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    I'm just having the same bad experience with online.net
    Just after the attack starts the IP is null routed. I also contacted their customer support and they confirmed that if the attack is big this is normal.
    The attacks were about 1-5Mpps according to their web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takisgr View Post
    I'm just having the same bad experience with online.net
    Just after the attack starts the IP is null routed. I also contacted their customer support and they confirmed that if the attack is big this is normal.
    The attacks were about 1-5Mpps according to their web site.
    Do you have basic protection or business level? My server received a lot of attacks and they blocked it without any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by efegue View Post
    Do you have basic protection or business level? My server received a lot of attacks and they blocked it without any problem.
    I have minimal protection as the name it.
    From what I've figured from their web site, the "Preventive protection" just gives you access to the anti DDoS configuration panel with reports and statistics, and with "Curative protection" you have also the tech support to make custom rules for you.

    What magnitude and type are the attacks you are getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by takisgr View Post
    I have minimal protection as the name it.
    From what I've figured from their web site, the "Preventive protection" just gives you access to the anti DDoS configuration panel with reports and statistics, and with "Curative protection" you have also the tech support to make custom rules for you.

    What magnitude and type are the attacks you are getting?
    I received one in order of 1.6Mpps, it was blocked without any problem.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1208747/attack.png
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    I have several servers with Online through OneProvider and haven't had any issues with DDoS thus far, been using them for about 3 months too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by efegue View Post
    I received one in order of 1.6Mpps, it was blocked without any problem.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1208747/attack.png
    It seems that our attacks were a little bigger.
    First attack is around 18Mpps and another one little smaller
    http://i58.tinypic.com/1r69h3.png
    http://i57.tinypic.com/jqhx52.png


    But they null route the IP at even smaller attacks like this
    http://i57.tinypic.com/2w5m3x2.png
    which is about 3.5Mpps

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    Quote Originally Posted by takisgr View Post
    It seems that our attacks were a little bigger.
    First attack is around 18Mpps and another one little smaller
    http://i58.tinypic.com/1r69h3.png
    http://i57.tinypic.com/jqhx52.png


    But they null route the IP at even smaller attacks like this
    http://i57.tinypic.com/2w5m3x2.png
    which is about 3.5Mpps
    Pictures are not working.

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    Just recently got hit by a DDoS, with the free DDos Protection

    I noticed during the Mitigation (SeviŽ) the server goes offline and blocks all connections Might as well call it nullroute.

    Also during the "Nullroute" or SeviŽ Mitigation Ping is accessible however everything else isn't.
    Support claims during Mitigation all UDP traffic is blocked. But that doesn't explain why SSH and other TCP service's are down except ICMP

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    Does anybody have the upgraded Arbor from them? if so does it do well against Spoofed/Amplified Chargen attacks

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    Based on my experience the free antiddos protection causes more harm then good.

    As for arbor I got a few very high end servers there behind arbor (with arbor panel access) but we added it just to have it... not receiving any attack for the moment.

    For chargen attacks I suggest you to host somewhere where they have massive networks and can add custom ACL to their core routers (try to ask www.nforce.com for example)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionCrazy View Post
    Based on my experience the free antiddos protection causes more harm then good.

    As for arbor I got a few very high end servers there behind arbor (with arbor panel access) but we added it just to have it... not receiving any attack for the moment.

    For chargen attacks I suggest you to host somewhere where they have massive networks and can add custom ACL to their core routers (try to ask www.nforce.com for example)
    I want to stay with online.net, let me know if you ever get a DDoS attack and let me know if arbor fix's the problem of DDoS

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaynoz View Post
    Just recently got hit by a DDoS, with the free DDos Protection

    I noticed during the Mitigation (SeviŽ) the server goes offline and blocks all connections Might as well call it nullroute.

    Also during the "Nullroute" or SeviŽ Mitigation Ping is accessible however everything else isn't.
    Support claims during Mitigation all UDP traffic is blocked. But that doesn't explain why SSH and other TCP service's are down except ICMP
    How long did the nullroute take in your case?
    I had a completely unexplainable downtime of my website with a duration of exactly 30mins. The server was pingable, but neither I nor visitors could reach it. I have never been DDoS'ed before (knock on wood) but could that have been their "DDoS Protection" going a bit crazy? Everything came back to normal by itself after those 30mins. I do not believe that it was a network problem. The server was pingable from different locations all of the time. It also has not been rebooted. Very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amitz View Post
    How long did the nullroute take in your case?
    I had a completely unexplainable downtime of my website with a duration of exactly 30mins. The server was pingable, but neither I nor visitors could reach it. I have never been DDoS'ed before (knock on wood) but could that have been their "DDoS Protection" going a bit crazy? Everything came back to normal by itself after those 30mins. I do not believe that it was a network problem. The server was pingable from different locations all of the time. It also has not been rebooted. Very strange.
    The null is dependant on the size of the attack a 3Gbps attack will be a 1 hour a 8Gbps will be 5 hours

    I'm under attack again and Sevi is useless and nullroutes all UDP traffic which makes my server useless because TCP services such as SSH are down.

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    http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-s...-arbor#pricing

    Near the bottom. It says there is a contact is there really one?

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    when signing the contract for the ddos protection you agree to never talk to anybody about the protection... I think you will never see a review... be it positive or negative... we are just not allowed to talk about it...

    by the way... both arbor protections requires professional use on the server (that's another +150eur)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionCrazy View Post
    when signing the contract for the ddos protection you agree to never talk to anybody about the protection... I think you will never see a review... be it positive or negative... we are just not allowed to talk about it...

    by the way... both arbor protections requires professional use on the server (that's another +150eur)
    So I can't use it on like their 9 euro server

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaynoz View Post
    So I can't use it on like their 9 euro server
    sure you can.

    Just order the 9eur server, then add "critical service level" (150eur) and then add ddos curative (70eur)

    Theorically you could get arbor too with "business service level" (20eur) + ddos curative (20eur) but that's not an always on protection....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionCrazy View Post
    sure you can.

    Just order the 9eur server, then add "critical service level" (150eur) and then add ddos curative (70eur)

    Theorically you could get arbor too with "business service level" (20eur) + ddos curative (20eur) but that's not an always on protection....
    States continuous service
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    continuos services means they keep your services running even while under ddos ... but there's a delay for sure between detection and injection .... only the 150+70 one in fact has "none" ddos impact
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolutionCrazy View Post
    continuos services means they keep your services running even while under ddos ... but there's a delay for sure between detection and injection .... only the 150+70 one in fact has "none" ddos impact
    Do you have online.net?

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    yes...

    I own and manage many servers there
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    Anyways is the Advanced protection going to nullroute you after an attack like the basic protection?

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