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    CloudAtCost.com - Ontario Cloud provider - initial experience

    So I've been a cloudatcost.com customer now for about 2 weeks. I'm a little sceptical of their "one time" pricing, but the parent company Fibernetics which also has pioneered a lot of low cost ISP services in Ontario Canada has been around long enough for me to feel comfortable with the gamble.

    I've had their freephoneline.ca for my residential line for about 3 years now (paid the one-time $50 SIP activation fee instead of using the ad-based client) and it's been working just fine.

    So that being said, I grabbed two of their Developer (512mb/10GB HDD(they say SSD now, but the site is short on details, I'm thinking SSD cached as the IO tests are in the ~60-120MB/sec range) and a Developer 3 (2046mb/40GB/3TB transfer). $35 one time for Dev and $140 one time for Dev3. Also got a middle of the road Dev2 (1024mb/20GB/1TB xfer) for a year ($24).

    Throughput and performance are excellent, however you need to remove a file in /etc/rc3.d/S97* or it will re-configure your VPS on each reboot. You also need to remove "nameserver 192.168.1.1" from /etc/resolv.conf or it's painfully slow since that is not a valid nameserver on their network.

    Support tickets seem to go unanswered for things like reverse DNS (they promise they are automating this soon) but that could be because they are getting a lot of business, the invoice numbers have incremented quite a bit between my server orders if that is any indication.

    Otherwise, the performance is acceptable from a disk IO standpoint, the pricing is great, and the throughput to other VPSs I have is great (pretty close to full 100mbps I'd say).

    Any questions I'll do my best to answer.

    B1
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    Hello

    What virt. technology they use?

    Can you run the benchmark script from this site in your instances? http://serverbear.com/

    Thanks
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    Ok, running right now; says it will take several hours. Will post when it completes.
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    Tried to edit but too late; virtualization is vmware.
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    Good deal if it lasts, reminds me of a company that used to be called NoMonthlyFees
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    UnixBench score: 934.2

    I/O rate: 118.0 MB/second

    Bandwidth rate: 34.5 MB/second


    If anyone wnats more specific stats let me know, this ran on one of my Developer ($35/lifetime) VPS, so CPU would be slightly better on the bigger VPS but everything else should be the same.
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    I grabbed a Developer VPS too, cheap enough to risk it.


    model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz

    1638400000 bytes (1.6 GB) copied, 16.5192 s, 99.2 MB/s

    2013-10-23 09:19:00 (35.0 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]

    64 bytes from ftp-nyc.osuosl.org (64.50.233.100): icmp_req=7 ttl=54 time=25.7 ms

    64 bytes from ftp-chi.osuosl.org (64.50.236.52): icmp_req=3 ttl=55 time=14.5 ms

    64 bytes from hpc-mirror.usc.edu (68.181.195.4): icmp_req=3 ttl=48 time=68.0 ms
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    Do the server come with a vlan or private networking?
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    Just a single public IP.
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    inet addr:162.219.6.X Bcast:162.219.6.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
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    Interesting stuff.

    Thanks @blaisen1 !

    Probably I will get the smallest one.
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    cloudatcost developer 3, 4 Xeon vCPU, 2GB ECC RAM, 40GB SSD

    centos 6.3, selinux disabled

    UnixBench 5.1.2 (original, disk benchmarks skipped)

    Code:
    ./Run dhry2reg whetstone-double syscall pipe context1 spawn execl shell1 shell8 shell16
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    1 x Dhrystone 2 using register variables  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    1 x Double
    -Precision Whetstone  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    1 x System Call Overhead  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    1 x Pipe Throughput  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

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    4 x Dhrystone 2 using register variables  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    4 x Double
    -Precision Whetstone  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    4 x System Call Overhead  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    4 x Pipe Throughput  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    4 x Pipe
    -based Context Switching  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

    4 x Process Creation  1 2 3

    4 x Execl Throughput  1 2 3

    4 x Shell Scripts 
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    (16 concurrent)  1 2 3

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    BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 5.1.2)

       
    Systemxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.cloudatcost.comGNU/Linux
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    GNU/Linux -- 2.6.32-358.23.2.el6.x86_64 -- #1 SMP Wed Oct 16 18:37:12 UTC 2013
       
    Machinex86_64 (x86_64)
       
    Languageen_US.utf8 (charmap="UTF-8"collate="UTF-8")
       
    CPU 0Intel(RXeon(RCPU L5520 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
              
    Hyper-Threadingx86-64MMXPhysical Address ExtSYSENTER/SYSEXITSYSCALL/SYSRET
       CPU 1
    Intel(RXeon(RCPU L5520 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
              
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       CPU 2
    Intel(RXeon(RCPU L5520 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
              
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    :44:58 up  1:24,  1 user,  load average0.070.060.01runlevel 3

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    Benchmark RunThu Nov 07 2013 08:44:58 09:08:49
    4 CPUs in system
    running 1 parallel copy of tests

    Dhrystone 2 using register variables       19082980.8 lps   
    (10.0 s7 samples)
    Double-Precision Whetstone                     2623.2 MWIPS (9.3 s7 samples)
    Execl Throughput                               2224.0 lps   (30.0 s2 samples)
    Pipe Throughput                             1175464.5 lps   (10.0 s7 samples)
    Pipe-based Context Switching                  19049.6 lps   (10.0 s7 samples)
    Process Creation                               6158.3 lps   (30.0 s2 samples)
    Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                   3402.6 lpm   (60.0 s2 samples)
    Shell Scripts (16 concurrent)                   835.0 lpm   (60.0 s2 samples)
    Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   1393.5 lpm   (60.0 s2 samples)
    System Call Overhead                        1339961.5 lps   (10.0 s7 samples)

    System Benchmarks Partial Index              BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
    Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0   19082980.8   1635.2
    Double
    -Precision Whetstone                       55.0       2623.2    476.9
    Execl Throughput                                 43.0       2224.0    517.2
    Pipe Throughput                               12440.0    1175464.5    944.9
    Pipe
    -based Context Switching                   4000.0      19049.6     47.6
    Process Creation                                126.0       6158.3    488.8
    Shell Scripts 
    (1 concurrent)                     42.4       3402.6    802.5
    Shell Scripts 
    (16 concurrent)                     ---        835.0      ---
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    System Call Overhead                          15000.0    1339961.5    893.3
                                                                       
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    System Benchmarks Index Score (Partial Only)                          626.0

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    running 4 parallel copies of tests

    Dhrystone 2 using register variables       64398795.0 lps   
    (10.0 s7 samples)
    Double-Precision Whetstone                     9797.1 MWIPS (9.3 s7 samples)
    Execl Throughput                              10638.0 lps   (30.0 s2 samples)
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    Pipe-based Context Switching                 792938.9 lps   (10.0 s7 samples)
    Process Creation                              35541.4 lps   (30.0 s2 samples)
    Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                  12238.5 lpm   (60.0 s2 samples)
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    Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   1825.8 lpm   (60.1 s2 samples)
    System Call Overhead                        4595525.8 lps   (10.0 s7 samples)

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    Pipe
    -based Context Switching                   4000.0     792938.9   1982.3
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    System Benchmarks Index Score (Partial Only)                         2845.3 
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    Just bought Developer 1 package, bandwidth is pretty rubbish:

    Seattle, USA
    Resolving speedtest.dal01.softlayer.com... 74.86.116.210
    Connecting to speedtest.dal01.softlayer.com|74.86.116.210|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 11536384 (11M) [application/zip]
    Saving to: â/dev/nullâ

    100%[======================================>] 11,536,384 1.37M/s in 6.6s


    Manchester, UK
    Connecting to 178.238.129.83:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 129672769 (124M) [application/x-tar]
    Saving to: â/dev/nullâ

    100%[======================================>] 129,672,769 250K/s in 4m 38s


    Sydney, Australia
    Resolving go.telstra.com.au... 61.9.173.47
    Connecting to go.telstra.com.au|61.9.173.47|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 92862216 (89M) [application/zip]
    Saving to: â/dev/nullâ

    100%[======================================>] 92,862,216 137K/s in 11m 35s
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    Website design, structure and color scheme seems too similar to digitalocean. Just compare:

    http://cloudatcost.com/
    https://digitalocean.com/

    Is there any links between these two?
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    Seems like a smart scam to collect $350,000 and move to the Bahamas

    protected WHOIS, what appears to be colo here http://www.rackanddata.com/
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    Yes, looks suspicious to me.

    https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.cloudatcost.com
    First snapshot on 4th October, 2013.

    Domain Name: CLOUDATCOST.COM
    Creation Date: 2011-12-29
    Expiration Date: 2013-12-29

    Seems they registered the domain in 2011 but launched the site just one month ago or so.

    We need to research more about this company.
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    https://www.facebook.com/cloudatcost

    Plenty of complaints and issues on the FB already
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    Quote Originally Posted by dediserve View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/cloudatcost

    Plenty of complaints and issues on the FB already
    Thanks for that, think I will lodge a Paypal refund for my $12
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    Does anyone else have any other experiences they want to add?
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    Quote Originally Posted by realvaluehosting View Post
    Yes, looks suspicious to me.

    https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.cloudatcost.com
    First snapshot on 4th October, 2013.

    Domain Name: CLOUDATCOST.COM
    Creation Date: 2011-12-29
    Expiration Date: 2013-12-29

    Seems they registered the domain in 2011 but launched the site just one month ago or so.

    We need to research more about this company.
    Nothing suspicious. Why they cannot register domain for future use?
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    Nothing suspicious. Why they cannot register domain for future use?
    You're right, nothing suspicious about that... the company has a good background (Fibernetics), well known for low prices...

    But that's not a traditional hosting company, it is perfect to deploy test servers, for small apps, but not a complex business at all...
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    No ticket response for many days already, this forum member named jbvps who previously promoted cloudatcost.com on WHT is also no longer active since 29th Oct. Hmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyuan View Post
    No ticket response for many days already, this forum member named jbvps who previously promoted cloudatcost.com on WHT is also no longer active since 29th Oct. Hmm.
    Just want to quote my previous reply and clarify that today they finally responded to me (probably because I filed PayPal dispute which gained their attention). I received what I supposed to and now it's all good to go again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyuan View Post
    No ticket response for many days already, this forum member named jbvps who previously promoted cloudatcost.com on WHT is also no longer active since 29th Oct. Hmm.
    yes, so much for their 24/7 customer support. i emailed them 4-5 days ago never heard back from them =/
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    Any evidence of such? Anything at all? Slander is not evidence, especially if interpreted that you're probably doing it out of jealousy rather than public safety... Unless you've got some dirt showing they've ripped anybody off =]

    Quote Originally Posted by dediserve View Post
    Seems like a smart scam to collect $350,000 and move to the Bahamas

    protected WHOIS, what appears to be colo here http://www.rackanddata.com/
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    Colecting one off fees for a service that has recurring, ongoing cost has been proven time and time over again, including on this forum, to be a scam / not work / not pan out etc.

    My opinion that this 'seems' like a scam, is hardly slander and I remain open to correction as to how a one time payment funds a service in perpetuity.
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    They take varying lengths of time to reply dependant on the question type/subject matter... Yeah, this won't be for hosting anything critical (unless it is redundant/mirrored elsewhere) but for flat rate VMs for running simple things like a distributed DNS network/etc: they're awesome... Just can't hope to get too much help out of them for this price point as the most basic functions are all automated (and almost anything can be resolved by a reformat somewhat).

    Quote Originally Posted by nrrona View Post
    yes, so much for their 24/7 customer support. i emailed them 4-5 days ago never heard back from them =/
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    Proven by who? Just because others fail or are too greedy doesn't mean the concept is flawed. Just because you can't afford to do it doesn't mean other people don't exist in this world that can do it on a scale that can not only make it affordable but profitable... The theory they're banking on is that their costs per client/account will go down over time with adequate volume, something I've found to be very true in my own businesses: especially with hypervisors getting more and more powerful. Something that is claimed to be a lie due to inflation is something I feel is solely to foster greed... Sorry homie, but not everybody cares about money as much as the average American: some people just want something honest to do for a long time (and are not willing to kill to take it).

    Just have to look at the problem from a perspective of wanting to keep busy rather than wanting to make the biggest profit: socialism vs capitalism... Other providers like freephoneline.ca are applying this business model to services of different sectors: this model will be the future for low-powered services wiping out a lot of pathetic providers around the world =] ... Resist all you want, it is the economy that will decide

    I bet if they wanted to, after spending $10-20k on equip, they could colo that entire cloud at FDC for less than $500/month. But doing it directly themselves, I bet they have a healthy profit margin from recurring customers that could cover the cost of keeping the entire cloud online: leaving the income from one-time fees as a bonus of sorts =] I am guessing after 10k clients are in there still won't be a full 1Gbps of usage: I pay $4k/mo now for my 1Gbps fiber in Vancouver and the price is only going down =] Especially when I bump it to 10Gbps and up

    And American warmongering(/warlord empowering for capitalist gain) has ticked off enough people abroad that America's future is going to be a funny one: they keep on thinking they're invincible like Germany was... LoL... Don't worry though, unlike America: when we kill, it is only American businesses and dreams, not unarmed civilians with radiological weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by dediserve View Post
    Colecting one off fees for a service that has recurring, ongoing cost has been proven time and time over again, including on this forum, to be a scam / not work / not pan out etc.

    My opinion that this 'seems' like a scam, is hardly slander and I remain open to correction as to how a one time payment funds a service in perpetuity.
    Last edited by netdude; 11-13-2013 at 11:01 AM.
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    Interesting anti-american monologue (we're an Irish company by the way )

    10,000 servers with 512MB RAM and 10GB storage is 5,000GB RAM and 100TB storage.

    Even assuming they are using low cost servers (which typically have limits on the RAM you could fit), lets assume 128GB RAM servers so you've maybe got 200 VMs per hypervisor, and you'll need 50 servers (assuming no redundancy or failover).

    50 Servers with those specs would be at least 100,000$, not counting anything for the networking gear. It's not hard to run the numbers and see that, stand alone, a business model like this runs out of cash very very quickly, assuming they even sell to gullible people.

    There is no such thing as a 'once off' charge for a service. If the 'economy' or 'market' could make such a thing work, we would not be paying spotify, netflix, our broadband providers, our datacentres or our cable tv bills every month
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    Quote Originally Posted by dediserve View Post
    There is no such thing as a 'once off' charge for a service. If the 'economy' or 'market' could make such a thing work, we would not be paying spotify, netflix, our broadband providers, our datacentres or our cable tv bills every month

    I'm not argueing that they are legit (even though I bought one), but a case can be made that it is a business choice.

    Given that they are supposedly backed by a successful company, they could have the $100k needed raised and then some, and are using these 10k free slots as a loss leader to garner attention and reviews. Maybe they saw how Digital Ocean suddenly got huge and wanted to be part of that market. So they are taking the initial hit to boost their popularity. 10k free tiny slots won't matter much if they get large and have 3-4 times that many customers. Or better yet investors.
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    While the "one-time cost" line seems a bit gimmicky, the numbers don't seem that off. Compared to their monthly rates, you're basically pre-paying for 3 YEARS worth of service...

    Maybe throw in some turnover/inactivity cutoffs, and you might come up with a floatable business model. (At least for the first three years... )

    Of course, you get what you pay for, apparently. I'd be interested to hear if they ever fix their bandwidth issues.
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    I wouldn't trust this for more than a name server or authentication gateway or something light like that... no SQL/etc... I really do figure any professional user would actually choose a professional solution for their critical/performance needs, but for this price point: I really don't see what there is to complain about... Then again, I sell stuff online for a living, every now and then I'll get the odd American that demands 24/7 pro support on SSD RAID-backed storage arrays with 100% uptime SLA Cloud solution for a dollar a month at the threat of a $1000/second for lost income lawsuit... heh... But that's all it does, not even a full LoL because it happens so often its getting kinda dumb... I kinda figured those users would get some professional solution rather than a 1-time payment VPS... :|

    As for America: Sorry, no compassion for warmongers None whatsoever... But that is only because I had the luxury of growing up in a country that hasn't killed for gain... In a decent neighbourhood albeit :| And America doesn't care about collateral damage, so their war mongering is messing with my investments abroad: hotels seem to lose patronage after a drone attack for some odd reason, go figure. I can't even help the developing world because I know America will destroy it to find those disappearing WMDs. Ya know why the developing world is still developing? Because countries like America keep on kicking them down for "American Exceptionalism" the second any progress starts being made: now they do it remotely via bankers and drones.

    Btw... the math, if I were a vhost selling stuff like this: I would have to be a BLEEPIN' MORON to dedicate ram and storage for every single VM (I would for a premium package, but not a budget one)... I am guessing that >50% (on the ridiculously low side) of the clients are under-using their VMs grossly (1-2GB storage space use, 10-25% RAM allocated) like I am (all of 'em) ... So when you take this overselling into consideration (which I would not expect anything less than at that price point), I think their proposition is more practical than you think... The reality is: if I had a large block of IPs and ARIN was asking me to either use 'em or give 'em back NOW, this would be an awesome way to justify large blocks while making a buck in the process 10k VMs I bet could be condensed into a rack or less

    PS: Yeah, their VMs seem to stick around 10Mbps throughput... Don't know if its because of an overloaded SAN or throttled port, but for the price: I wasn't expecting to host Google

    http://fibernetics-tor.lg.media-magic.ca/ I just put that up on CloudAtCost on the smallest package... the routing isn't the best, but again, wasn't expecting the world for a dollar a month

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucror View Post
    While the "one-time cost" line seems a bit gimmicky, the numbers don't seem that off. Compared to their monthly rates, you're basically pre-paying for 3 YEARS worth of service...

    Maybe throw in some turnover/inactivity cutoffs, and you might come up with a floatable business model. (At least for the first three years... )

    Of course, you get what you pay for, apparently. I'd be interested to hear if they ever fix their bandwidth issues.
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    I got two boxes, perfect for external backups.

    50MB/S and 100ms to Germany, not bad at all considering the price.

    Question is, for how long.
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    Now they offer BigDog packages:

    Big Dog 1
    $40/ mo
    or
    $280/one time
    4 Xeon vCPU
    1 public IP
    4GB ECC RAM
    60GB SSD
    1gbps Network
    3TB monthly transfer

    Big Dog 2
    $60/ mo
    or
    $560/one time
    6 Xeon vCPU
    1 public IP
    6GB ECC RAM
    70GB SSD
    1gbps Network
    5TB monthly transfer

    Big Dog 3
    $80/ mo
    or
    $1120/one time
    8 Xeon vCPU
    1 public IP
    8GB ECC RAM
    80GB SSD
    1gbps Network
    unmetered monthly transfer

    Who would opt for these or upgrade their Developer 1/2/3 to BigDog 1/2/3?
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    I just got the e-mail also.. Kind of getting scary, not for me at least - i'm good with the current ones.

    EDIT: If they are to supply many 1GB lines for clients outside of Canada, the money will be eaten up in no-time even if they do own their infrastructure.
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  37. #37
    They seem smaller then they say I've never heard of Fibernetics but their claim of being the "fastest growing and largest" telecommunications company in Canada seems to me as big fish.
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    We actually use the same bandwidth as them but on a completely different business model. If they can afford to pull it off, all the power to them but I know I wouldn't be able to pull off low one-time fees like that. We also go after different segments of the market as I'm sure the rest of us do.

    Out of curiosity, where do you hear about them?
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    Do you run OpenStack cloud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amro View Post
    Do you run OpenStack cloud?
    Hi Amro, was that post towards me or towards cloud at cost? We run Xen based clouds using AppLogic, not OpenStack.
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