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10-22-2013, 05:59 AM #26Web Hosting Master
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Good.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: the industry has room for quite a few more GOOD billing systems. This latest security nightmare seems to have generated a lot more interest than the last few. It seems like even a lot of the WHT WHMCS die-hards are now at least looking at options. It would be great to see the industry enter a "golden era" of billing systems.
All the has-beens and never-rans should be all over this right now to try and regain or build interest. It would be pretty interesting to see, say, WHM AutoPilot or AWBS rise from the ashes and overtake WHMCS over the next 18 months.▐█▌Fresh Roasted Hosting :: High-performance Harrisburg web hosting since 2012!
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10-22-2013, 06:28 AM #27Best Customer Service..ALWAYS!
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Translation: It did not have a dedicated server module, and, although they said they had plans for one in the future, it was not fast/instant enough for you.
So, instead of being an adult about it, and saying it doesn't do what I want it to do at the moment, so I will look elsewhere, you started acting like an infant who didn't get his own way, and started having tantrums.
Yes I have seen your posts on blesta's forums, once you realised your constant demands for a dedicated server module was not going to be released as quickly as you wanted, you suddenly started saying things like this out of sheer spite
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10-22-2013, 06:50 AM #28Web Hosting Master
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Lisa - this is one I would not recommend for anyone other than a Reseller who has only a couple of packages, and even then, maybe not! This is only suitable for the micro-host who is looking for something free to get started with.
We actually went to this as an Interim solution about a year ago and the main reasons I would steer clear is that there is virtually no support! It can take days to get a response to a ticket. It is a pity - because overall, it has all the basics covered.
We chose to go BB because at the time we were looking, there were (surprise, surprise) a couple of whmcs problems within a week or 2 that totally turned us off it.
Yes, At this time, I do agree that Blesta, while fairly "bare bones" at the moment, does things differently, but that is not bad! Yes, it has almost everything we need and we can "live with it" until the missing features get added. It has the basics covered quite well and Yes, I do agree that over the next several Months as modules get written it will cater for more and more hosts.
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10-22-2013, 07:14 AM #29Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Gualter
Believe the complaint was more about that there is not an order page aimed at dedicated servers (with fancy dropdowns/sliders for hardware upgrade add-ons and such).
Not a problem if you are just selling dedicated servers with standard hardware configurations though.Last edited by Maxnet; 10-22-2013 at 07:17 AM.
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10-22-2013, 09:19 AM #30Web Hosting Evangelist
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Seems like popular demand on billing software, HostBill has started showing prices again
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10-22-2013, 09:33 AM #31Temporarily Suspended
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Try BoxBilling. At this moment it look like a dead project, but isn't.
Big changes to BoxBilling are coming soon (confirmed by admin), so now they are a little busy.
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10-22-2013, 09:39 AM #32Aspiring Evangelist
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So they are. I'm surprised. I didn't think they'd show prices.
... But $200 each for all the provisioning modules? And that's on top of $600 for the software alone. Edit: And that's just for the base version. /Edit
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10-22-2013, 09:49 AM #33Web Hosting Master
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I don't mind the price. If our ideal billing system costs us $5k, so be it. I just have zero confidence in Hostbill's future and stability of the company, based on the events of the past year. It looks like it is / was decent software, but all the crazy and drama is a real turnoff.
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10-22-2013, 09:52 AM #34Aspiring Evangelist
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I don't, either.
But I'm saying that's quite the outlay for brand-new hosting providers. I can see them going, "WHMCS is the far cheaper option. At least they have monthly licenses!"
... As do some other billing systems, I think. The cheapest one for a monthly license would be BoxBilling. Something like $6 a month, I believe. We'll see how that goes once they finish their rewrite. If they finish their rewrite.
Then again, at this point... anything's better than WHMCS, given their exploit history so far.★ Nicholas @ EidolonHost
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10-22-2013, 10:02 AM #36Web Hosting Master
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Yeah, I think Box Billing is an acceptable choice for unconventional hosts. Think "web designer who has a reseller account and wants to automate provisioning, payment, and support". It's perfect for that. Go much further, and even the paid version isn't that competitive. The price is a good point ($5), but more robust systems (Blesta, ClientExec) are only $10 more.
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10-22-2013, 11:56 AM #37Disabled
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WHM AutoPilot is dead there are loads of php errors all over the website site. I email the guy the other day and asked if he was still was supporting it.There has been no updated since 2012,I like this software it would be my second choice after whmcs I just don' think the guy cares about it anymore what is sad. I would love to purchase it but I submitted a support ticket and no reply that put me off. Here are some of the errors I saw Warning: trim() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given in /home/whmauto/public_html/inc/order_functions.php on line 195 That put me right of purchasing it to.
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Yeah its to bad WHMAutopilot died.. it was pretty decent back in the day... Plus I already own a lifetime license for it .
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10-22-2013, 07:26 PM #42Web Hosting Master
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Personally I wouldn't touch box billing again, and I was only with thema a week or so. but after a week I still hadnt got it setup properly and my support tickets remained unanswered (until I cancelled)
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence... and did I get a refund, did I heck.
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10-23-2013, 12:59 AM #43Web Hosting Guru
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Re: Alternatives to WHMCS
Agreed with the above. The exactly same thing happened to me.
They are saying that BoxBilling is going open source. Hopefully that will revive the project since BB would have a lot of potential in my opinion.VPSFlame - OpenVZ & KVM VPS, Web Hosting, Minecraft, Domain Registration
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So's the code if I'm not mistaken. I recall using it a few years ago (And granted, it could have changed by now) and the templating was terribly messy.
It was also a case of if you used PHP 5.3 and turned error reporting on, you got thousands of warnings about undefined variables. AWBS is another one that, whilst has a massive amount of features, really needs rewriting.
ClientExec and Blesta have got it spot on. They've kept their products up to date and not simply hashed over the same codebase over and over until it becomes a cluster of mess.WHSuite - Billing, Automation and Client Management Software.
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We've evaluated other options and have largely come to the same conclusion; WHMCS tops the rest when it comes to integration and feature sets.
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Call me an optimist but I think they will stepup there security, of course only time will tell.
They have already confirmed they will not be re-writing the software code from scratch, but I don't feel they have any choice after posts on here to lock the system down so its much safer to use.
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10-23-2013, 06:30 PM #48Web Hosting Master
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With this thread looking for alternatives I thought I'd ask why no one seems to be looking at http://www.ispsystem.com/en/ or http://www.spbas.com/tour
ispsystem can integrate into solus and cPanel. spbas can integrate into cPanel and Enom and is supposed to be made to add moduels/plugins easily. I honestly don't see why the community couldn't fund whatever else is needed in a weeks time at most.
I myself have looked at a few other billing systems where they don't natively integrate into other control panels which isn't a terrible thing. But most of the ones provided by the actual control panel devs to be integrated into billing systems just suck and are insecure.
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Perhaps becuase no one has heard of them? I've been a member on here quite a lomg time now and never come accross either of those before, and the ISPsystem site just made me want to leave as there seemed to be so many pages and options I didnt even want to look for a demo.
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10-23-2013, 06:49 PM #50Junior Guru Wannabe
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I think HostBill is an alternative and Ubersmith as well, but ubersmith is expensive.
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