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    Here is a vid that will make you mad!!

    THIS GUY IN A SCHOOL MEETING STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS AND WAS ARRESTED!!!

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    ALL THE SHEEP IN THE ROOM JUST SIT THERE WATCHING.... THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL GOTTON UP AND LEFT!!!!!





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    WOW. A few thoughts;

    1. That video would have had a different outcome if I were that Father. When did asking questions between adults about children's education become a security threat where someone needed to put their hands on someone.

    I'm only going by the video. Who knows....maybe this dad is an outspoking person known to the community. Either way, didn't have to go down that road.

    2. Sheeple is on the rise.

    What I personally find sad and disturbing.....everyone will watch a friend or family member get beaten to near death while standing there video taping it on their phone hoping to "own" the next viral video. Years ago if someone got in any situation, we would jump in or diffuse it...but not stand there like idiots with no thought.

    On the flip side, mobile phone have been capturing a lot of police state movements that were quietly swept under the rug. A couple months ago here (Toronto) a young man was shot 9 times by an office for holding a knife. It was caught on camera and went viral. The cop has been charged and awaiting trial. The situation could have been handled by the Task Force. Go in...take down...no shots...no injuries.

    It's sad when your home is possibly the only safe place on Earth.

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    "That video would have had a different outcome if I were that Father"

    Agreed!

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    WOW, now that is wrong! What is this world coming to?

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    Was he arrested for asking questions, or being unruly? It seems more like the second, from watching the video, and other reports after, like him assaulting security
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Was he arrested for asking questions, or being unruly? It seems more like the second, from watching the video, and other reports after, like him assaulting security
    That's my guess of what likely occurred, twhiting9275.

    My school district held a public meeting awhile back. It was an organized affair where everyone had a chance to speak for 5 minutes (and a second time for 2 minutes) at the microphone.

    Literally over 99.3% of people there respected those ground rules, but two people in the crowd stood up and interrupted the meeting repeatedly. It was frustrating.

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    He wasn't arrested; He was escorted out by security.

    He didn't seem unruly, but I didn't see what happened before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14
    What I personally find sad and disturbing.....everyone will watch a friend or family member get beaten to near death while standing there video taping it on their phone hoping to "own" the next viral video.
    Ahhh we cant blame them 100% now can we??

    They have all been brainwashed to be PUPPETS that are easy to control.... They are UNAWARE they are under control!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    He wasn't arrested; He was escorted out by security.
    Oh no, he was definitely arrested, and for exactly what I described. Two very different articles, two conclusions exactly the same.

    From the left
    Small is charged with two misdemeanors: assaulting an officer and disrupting a school function, Baltimore County Police told The Huffington Post over the phone Monday.

    From the right
    The Baltimore County State’s Attorney’s office has dropped charges against Robert Small, the Howard County parent who was arrested last week for disupting an education forum in Towson.
    Either way, he was arrested, for disruptive behavior. The assault charges just added to the mix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    Literally over 99.3% of people there respected those ground rules, but two people in the crowd stood up and interrupted the meeting repeatedly. It was frustrating.

    -mike
    I'm 100% sure that was this guy... but again, some like to catch a 3 minute video and say we live in a "police state".

    Goodness grief!!!

    Although, I think he should have been kicked out, if he was over the time (he seemed rude), but not arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike - Limestone View Post
    Literally over 99.3% of people there respected those ground rules, but two people in the crowd stood up and interrupted the meeting repeatedly. It was frustrating.
    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Either way, he was arrested, for disruptive behavior. The assault charges just added to the mix.
    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu View Post
    I'm 100% sure that was this guy... but again, some like to catch a 3 minute video and say we live in a "police state".

    Goodness grief!!!

    Although, I think he should have been kicked out, if he was over the time (he seemed rude), but not arrested.

    Just like anything in life, there's always two sided to things. Some people grew up in the perfect world where nothing happens, others, not as fortunate....but we all still live on the same planet, and to ignore what's happening can be a bit naive.



    Disruptive behavior is never a good thing, but it shouldn't have led to that outcome. I'm that guy in the video. Friends of mine are that guy. We don't sit back and watch injustice run rampant.....it's just unfortunate now that it can lead to death.



    1. In high school two our friends were fighting by plaza across from our school with resulted in a broken store window. We knew the story that lead up to it. Police came to break it up (because back then even the worst possible fight didn't end in shootings....another topic for a different thread). The police arrested the wrong person. We started arguing with the police explaining the situation. The police pretended to arrested another friend to prove a point. Everything cleared up, no arrests, and the guy got together and paid for the window (because we still believe in being responsible back then). How many times can people watch a force overuse authority and say nothing.

    2. A few months ago the police was caught on video shooting a young man 9 times that was waving a knife. I've personally seen identical scenarios that didn't end in death. They called the task force to control and sustain the person without any form of injury. Now, shoot, kill, question later.

    3. I worked in the entertainment industry for almost 20 years and have seen many situations that either turned ugly or involved a lot of arguing. End results....situation calmed down, and everyone communicated.. They didn't even give this a guy a chance to do that. There was no reason for a room of adults in the ranges of 25-60, who looked like they were all middle class (which is being phased out) to have security push a man around like he was child. Even in schools they are now enforcing that you do not touch another person or let someone touch you....it's a form of bullying. What did this video teach children;

    a) you speak up about something bothering you and you will be punished...create fear in speaking up.

    b) if you don't like what someone is saying, use ridiculous force against the person.

    The amount of racist comments towards the guard is embarrassing, and he was just doing his job. It's just unfortunate that one day the guard will become a victim from being a pawn in the situation.

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    He wasnt being disruptive,HE WAS SPEAKING OUT.. He was expected to be a good little sheep like the rest of them!!





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    Dad Arrested For Asking Questions At School Meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    He wasnt being disruptive,HE WAS SPEAKING OUT.. He was expected to be a good little sheep like the rest of them
    He was, in fact being disruptive. He was disturbing the meeting, he was being disorderly, he was being unruly, distracting from the structure of the meeting. He went to that meeting specifically to cause the problem he did.. He had no other intention than to cause a stir, to disrupt it.

    At a meeting like this, structure is necessary. You can't just allow people to just up and interrupt willy nilly , you have to maintain order, and if people like this guy pop in and try to disrupt it, they must be dealt with.
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    Right,sit there and be a puppet and dont ask questions even if they are wrong?? -- LET THEM HAVE FULL SAY??





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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Oh no, he was definitely arrested, and for exactly what I described. Two very different articles, two conclusions exactly the same.

    From the left



    From the right


    Either way, he was arrested, for disruptive behavior. The assault charges just added to the mix.
    You provided a link to the youtube video.

    My comments were based on the youtube video.

    Does it look like he was arrested in the video? No.

    Then again, I can't tell anything from just a short video.

    I don't know the whole situation. I don't know what happen before or after.

    You want us to believe you just based on the youtube video you linked to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Right,sit there and be a puppet and dont ask questions even if they are wrong??
    When the format of the meeting is as such, yes. You cannot expect any organized meeting with hundreds of individuals (which this likely had) to just allow an open forum. NOTHING would get done. NOBODY would get out of there, ever.

    This guy was there, not to be informative, he was there to be obstructionist. He was there to cause a scene, and hopefully get in the papers. Well, he got his wish. Much like the anti-Obama, or anti-Bush crowd at their rallies, he was merely trying to be a disruptive nuisance.


    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    You provided a link to the youtube video.
    I didn't provide any links until you came in with misinformation
    Quote Originally Posted by hycloud View Post
    You want us to believe you just based on the youtube video you linked to?
    I, honestly could care less. If you're comfortable looking like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, when corrected, by all means, post misinformed replies. Just don't jump on people who correct you for that misinformation.

    He was arrested, held for assault (which AFAIK is still a pending charge)
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    When the format of the meeting is as such, yes. You cannot expect any organized meeting with hundreds of individuals (which this likely had) to just allow an open forum. NOTHING would get done. NOBODY would get out of there, ever.

    This guy was there, not to be informative, he was there to be obstructionist. He was there to cause a scene, and hopefully get in the papers. Well, he got his wish. Much like the anti-Obama, or anti-Bush crowd at their rallies, he was merely trying to be a disruptive nuisance.

    Put aside the point of the video length, or anything that happened before or after....what is the point of a meeting if everyone there is just going to politely agree on everything.


    If all the hosts physically came together to meet somewhere and discuss an issue about WHT, should we all just politely agree with the points??? That's how you create a room of Yes Men. What would be the point of travelling to meet people when the answers are already determined. That's not a meeting. There has to be some form of opposition...especially regarding the topic of the video. Even if some of the hosts started yelling back an forth on certain points, it would NEVER warrant the need to have someone assault you. Even meetings where most people were between the ages of 16 - 30 and strong point of views and yelling matches. The moderator controlled the situation, everyone relaxed, meeting continued.

    You would think a room of middle-aged people could have had better control over one man expressing his views. The fact that they ignored his question to keep him quiet shows something was wrong....which any human would then get upset at being ignored.

    Even in your statement about Anti-Bush or Anti-Obama. Basically what your saying is every single person in the United States voted for these officials. Everyone. Everyone that is allowed to legally vote. Then what is the point of an election? Shouldn't it just be like school or work...principal retires, new one comes in...boss gets fired, new one comes in. No voting, no asking questions, just deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post


    I didn't provide any links until you came in with misinformation

    I, honestly could care less. If you're comfortable looking like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, when corrected, by all means, post misinformed replies. Just don't jump on people who correct you for that misinformation.

    He was arrested, held for assault (which AFAIK is still a pending charge)
    I thought I was responding to The Dude. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    what is the point of a meeting if everyone there is just going to politely agree on everything.
    That's not what happened though. Questions were asked. Valid questions were answered. From HP

    The meeting, which was held in order to explain the Common Core to parents, according to The Baltimore Sun, was conducted in a format where school administrators selected pre-submitted questions from parents.
    Now, was it cheap for them to pre-select questions, and not take questions from the audience? Yes, of course, BUT if you look at it, you have to understand that this kind of meeting, again, with this number of individuals (there were over 150 people there), you can't just allow free roam discussion. NOBODY would get anything accomplished. This was an informative meeting, where pre-selected questions were answered, nothing more.

    Further proof that he went there strictly to disturb the meeting and cause problems (from the globe dispatch):

    Small stood and interrupted Baltimore County School Superintendent Dallas Dance during a question-and-answer session and began to tell the audience that he believed the new curriculum was lowering the standards of education and was intended to prepare students for community colleges. “You are not preparing them for Harvard,” he said.
    He wasn't there for Q&A or informative discussion, he was there for derailing the conversation. He was there to argue and interrupt, nothing more
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    that security guard was the one being disruptive, completely interrupting the discussion, and being actively aggressive towards the people in the room. IF they had answered the question, would have been resolved, the fact security decided to be completely disruptive and evict him, is what caused the disturbance.

    If I had security in my face like that, for no reason, I would not have been so passive.

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    Dad Arrested For Asking Questions At School Meeting

    Don't fault the security guard for doing his job, that's ALL he was doing
    Interrupting someone while speaking is disruptive
    Refusing to adhere to meeting standards, insisting you're better than the rules is not only disruptive and rude but conceited as anything.

    This guy didn't have questions,,he had a singular purpose. To do JUST what he did
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    Let's break this down so anyone reading this can see what's going on here.


    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    What would be the point of travelling to meet people when the answers are already determined. That's not a meeting.
    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Now, was it cheap for them to pre-select questions, and not take questions from the audience? Yes, of course, BUT if you look at it, you have to understand that this kind of meeting, again, with this number of individuals (there were over 150 people there), you can't just allow free roam discussion. NOBODY would get anything accomplished. This was an informative meeting, where pre-selected questions were answered, nothing more.

    SO we both agree that a pre-determined meeting is not a meeting.

    Also your point about the 150 people forum I personally find not a strong point. I have been to forums with 500-1000 people, so 150 is pocket change. You have to remember, even in a crowd of 500 people, there is not going to be 500 questions. At least 350 of them will have the same question, so one person asking is suffice for the other 349. I'm guessing you are not a parent. Parents talk to each other before school, after school, and other times. When there's an issue with the school, ALL the parents talk to each other. If one person were to ask a question, it's because there were previous conversations leading to that question. Also as a parent, if something seems off, there's no way possible that only one parent is thinking this. As a parent, would you be satisfied knowing the school's curriculum will make your child fail? Will you not enroll your children elsewhere which will effect their schedule, their sleep schedule, effect your work schedule, and cut out more quality family time which on a regular schedule is only 1-2 hours a day out of the 16 waking hours of the day.



    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Don't fault the security guard for doing his job, that's ALL he was doing
    His job is to secure, not to assault, that's a major fault.


    Small stood and interrupted Baltimore County School Superintendent Dallas Dance during a question-and-answer session and began to tell the audience that he believed the new curriculum was lowering the standards of education and was intended to prepare students for community colleges. “You are not preparing them for Harvard,” he said.

    As a parent, or even as a person with common sense, how would anyone knowing this information not be offended. You do realize people are complete idiots now. Schools for years have not taught children how to be prepared for life. Someone with book smart can still be a complete idiot. Now cut down some of those book smarts......

    The media now teaches people to be complete morons. Here are some examples;

    Music
    I will take Hip Hop an an example even though I listen to all genres or music.
    Years ago, the music told people to stay in school, create a business, give to the community, and so forth..

    Now music teaches you to twerk, drink, drugs, rape women, get flashy cars. Dumb-down lyric.

    As someone who watched Hip Hop form and became an intelligent driving force turn into a washed up has been in rehab still ingesting vices, it's not impressive.

    Years ago you would have artists that everyone loved. Those that didn't, maybe it wasn't their type of music, cool.

    Now, we have artists that everyone hates and that everyone finds unintelligent.


    Let's take Television

    Years ago you had shows that families could sit and watch together...even the action dramas.

    Now, every show is a (bleeping) reality show with every (bleeping) person say all sorts of (bleeping) words every (bleeping) 30 (bleeping) seconds. This is not (bleeping) normal.


    I'm done with this topic. This is as bad as the comment section on news websites when you read some peoples thoughts about a situation since they can hide behind a keyboard (keyboard gangsters). It's sad that some of those thoughts could be from your next door neighbor that smiles with you every morning, and if a situation were to arise, they will find a way to "secure" you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    SO we both agree that a pre-determined meeting is not a meeting.
    No, that's your statement, and it's an incorrect one. This was, by definition a meeting.

    gathering of people for discussion: an occasion when people gather together to discuss something
    The discussion? The agenda of the school. Questions were asked beforehand, and answered at the meeting. This was an informative meeting, not the place for someone to pop up like this and be disruptive.

    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    His job is to secure, not to assault, that's a major fault.
    And he never once assaulted. Had he done so, as an off duty police officer, you'd better believe the headline would be WAY different.
    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    As a parent, or even as a person with common sense, how would anyone knowing this information not be offended.
    THAT is a completely different topic for a completely different time. Nobody's saying "you can't speak out", but you have to actually have a bit of decorum when you do. You actually have to follow the rules of organized society and NOT act like a 5 year old, interrupting everyone, throwing a temper tantrum in public.

    The BEST answer for this, going forward, or looking behind even is to organize individuals OUTSIDE of this meeting. Get involved locally, get politically involved, get on the board , get awareness up. These are ALL very, very good actions. Standing up, interrupting someone, forcing them to drag you out of the building, acting like a 5 year old, not so much.

    The long and short:
    There's a time, and a place for everything. This was, by organization, neither the time, nor the place for this man's temper tantrum
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    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    No, that's your statement, and it's an incorrect one. This was, by definition a meeting.
    Hmmmm....(taking from wiki, not a trusted source, but everyone knows what these words mean)


    The functions of a forum

    In addition to its standard function as a marketplace, a forum was a gathering place of great social significance, and often the scene of diverse activities, including political discussions and debates, rendezvous, meetings, et cetera. In that case it supplemented the function of a conciliabulum.
    Meeting


    A meeting is a gathering of two or more people that has been convened for the purpose of achieving a common goal through verbal interaction, such as sharing information or reaching agreement.[2] Meetings may occur face to face or virtually, as mediated by communications technology, such as a telephone conference call, a skyped conference call or a videoconference.
    This was neither a meeting in the formal sense of the word, or a forum. This was equivalent to a concert or a show. Come and listen to what the stars have to say. Their set, speech, playlist is already predetermined. I've never been invited to a meeting where my input was not needed.

    Maybe this guy wasn't suppose to be at this meeting. It's same as the corporate world and I've been a part of such processes;

    "We need this position filled"..."give it to Steve, he's knows most of it"..."done, but we still have to advertise the position in the newspaper in case Steve doesn't work out". So now you get a few hundred people dropping off or emailing resumes for a job, predetermined that no one else is getting that job since it was filed in 10 minutes.




    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    And he never once assaulted. Had he done so, as an off duty police officer, you'd better believe the headline would be WAY different.
    You, I, and the person that owned the phone recording this incident saw the same thing. The person recording this thought this incident was WAY different which is why it was uploaded to youtube, which is why were debating about it.

    Here is a video that an old friend passed to me about an hour after the incident

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi4In494rAg

    Research this incident and let me know if this was also justified.




    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    THAT is a completely different topic for a completely different time. Nobody's saying "you can't speak out", but you have to actually have a bit of decorum when you do. You actually have to follow the rules of organized society and NOT act like a 5 year old, interrupting everyone, throwing a temper tantrum in public.

    The BEST answer for this, going forward, or looking behind even is to organize individuals OUTSIDE of this meeting. Get involved locally, get politically involved, get on the board , get awareness up. These are ALL very, very good actions.

    I fully agree with those points. Become a part of that which you have an issue with. Be a part of the issue from the inside which could lead to a positive outcome. But you also have to look at the flip side. How many city or government meetings do we see parties arguing even worse than this man....and during all of it, no security escorts pushing people around.



    Quote Originally Posted by twhiting9275 View Post
    Standing up, interrupting someone, forcing them to drag you out of the building, acting like a 5 year old, not so much.

    He was reading from a piece of paper...thought out questions....followed a format.

    In the video you can hear people saying to let him ask his question, which would have led to answers, which then, this video would not have existed.

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    This is very disturbing and the fact that all other parents stayed there doing nothing is even more shocking.
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    That father should be thankful that the SWAT team was not called or there was no air strike right ?

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    Im glad they dropped these stupid charges -- EVEN THEY KNOW HOW STUPID PEOPLE ARE GETTING!!

    http://news.yahoo.com/hell-matter-ma...135026439.html

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    This is very disturbing and the fact that all other parents stayed there doing nothing is even more shocking.
    Ya dont blame them bud.. THEY ARE SO BRAINWASHED THEY CANT THINK FOR THEMSELVES ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!!!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by 48-14 View Post
    Disruptive behavior is never a good thing
    Glad we agree... that guy should have been put in jail... no one should ruin a meeting for their own benefit!

    There are plenty of ways to voice your concern without ruining a meeting for everyone there... not allowing others to talk is simply disruptive behavior, as you pointed out!

    This guy got less than he deserved since the charges were dropped... he was lucky, IMO.

    Can't believe that people want stuff like this to happen in life and not say anything about it... like people can do "whatever they want" and no one say anything. Guess it is all fine until something bad happens to them or their loved ones because someone was doing whatever he or she wanted.

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