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Old 04-08-2003, 07:57 AM
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Tired of the U.S. Bashing? Read This


I am an American and I am for the liberation of Iraq. With that said, I have personally grown tired of the anti-American sentiment that many people in the world have taken hold of (Even in our own country).

But, I occasionally come across a story that lifts my spirits and makes me smile. After I finished reading the following story, I said to myself "Now, those people get it".

The link to the story.....
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vanc...-411EAED582E8}


DEMONSTRATORS CLASH OVER WAR (Vancouver, Canada)
A few hundred people gathered Sunday in the rain to show support for the U.S.-led forces in Iraq in a rally that later evolved into a fiery shouting match between anti-war activists and Canadian immigrants from Middle Eastern countries.

Police on horseback initially formed a barrier to keep the anti-war group away from the flag-waving, pro-American crowd as a line of speakers praised the soldiers fighting in Iraq, blasted Prime Minister Jean Chretien for Canada's unwillingness to get involved and chanted U-S-A, U-S-A.

"We are not anti-war, we are not pro-war," moderator Brent Chapman said to loud cheers from the crowd of about 300 people. "We are pro-freedom, pro-America and proud Canadians."

But as the numbers thinned, a man opposed to the Iraq invasion moved to the centre of the park on the south side of the Burrard Bridge and began criticizing the United States. He was immediately surrounded by a group of immigrants from Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Israel who berated him and accused him of being naive.

A half dozen police officers positioned themselves close by and stood silently -- some with video cameras rolling -- as the man, along with a few supporters, tried to raise questions about U.S. action, saying there is no evidence Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and suggested war will only lead to more strife and terrorism.

But he was drowned out by those who angrily insisted he knew nothing about dictators or terrorism because he hadn't lived under Saddam Hussein's rule, lost relatives to suicide bombers or been driven from his homeland under threat of death.

"You have no idea about Saddam Hussein," said Shwan Ahmad, who fled Iraq and moved to Canada 19 years ago. "The Americans are bringing dignity to the Iraqi people and we should thank them."

The man arguing against war replied that Hussein may be loathed and hated, but the fact that he is a bad person doesn't make war good.

A woman who said she was born in Israel, said the peace activists are well-intentioned but don't understand the big picture. The war is about good versus bad, and the bad has to be stopped somewhere, she said.

Ariel Tijerino, who moved to Canada from Nicaragua in 1998, had a similar view, saying in an interview that he backs U.S. action in Iraq "one hundred per cent -- one million per cent ... I'm from Nicaragua and I appreciate what the Americans did for us."

Chapman said later he was pleased with the size of the crowd considering the ste ady rain and the strong voice of those who oppose the war.

"I don't think anyone here is pro-war," he said in an interview. "This is not a pro-war rally, but we believe something had to be done in Iraq."

Organizer Cheryl Kaysser, a political science student from Douglas College in New Westminster, described the event as a "rally for freedom" rather than a "pro-war rally."

"Basically, we want to get our enemies before they have a chance to get us," she said, noting the Vancouver rally is just one of several across Canada in recent days intended to show support for the U.S. She said she plans to contact other organizers in coming days in the hope of arranging a day of support Canada-wide.

The division in Canadian public opinion over the war on Iraq was evident on the streets of several cities Saturday as demonstrators turned out to air opposing views.

About 4,000 people rallied on Parliament Hill to cheer on American forces and boo Canada's decision to remain on the sidelines. On the same day, about 2,000 people demonstrated for peace outside the Vancouver Art Gallery and marched through the downtown core.

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:10 AM
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I am an American and I am for the liberation of Iraq. With that said, I have personally grown tired of the anti-American sentiment that many people in the world have taken hold of (Even in our own country).
Do I have to plaster your signature all over the place?
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:12 AM
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Do I have to plaster your signature all over the place?


There's a thread for you: Oxymorons
I don't know about my thread having anything to do with an oxymoron, but I do know that "moron" may be what some think of your comments as you make no sense.

Please, if you are going to actually write stuff in this forum for others to read, please make it interesting or at least, relative.

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:14 AM
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:18 AM
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Do I have to plaster your signature all over the place?


There's a thread for you: Oxymorons
Oh, I get it. You are saying that my signature suggests that one should speak their mind, but my comments that I am tired of anti-American sentiment are in oposition to that.

Not true.

I did not say I am tired of anti-war protestors. I said I am against people who choose to be racists by being anti-american. It is clear that some people will protest against America simply because they have phobic, anti-American views, regardless of what America does.

My feelings about anti-Americanism do not conflict with my signature.

You should really think through your emotional, inflammatory, accusatory mind set before you post in a public forum. Stop bashing me for my views.

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:18 AM
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"To avoid criticism, to do nothing, to say nothing, is to be nothing."

exactly, we criticise this senseless, illegal war. you can't do a right thing for wrong reasons and the wrong way.

if you want to be absent minded zombie then it is your choice.

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:22 AM
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exactly, we criticise this senseless, illegal war. you can't do a right thing for wrong reasons and the wrong way.

if you want to be absent minded zombie then it is your choice.
I said nothing derogatory in this post except to post my valid frustration with anti-American sentiment. My post was written with gentle words and was meant to be uplifting.

You cannot claim any such dignity in your response. I understand how you think. If someone thinks differently than you, you try to berate them, make them look stupid, trash them. You will do anything to get your point across, even to the point of "destroying" the person you oppose.

You are exactly what is wrong with this world. You are small minded and you are a bigot.

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:29 AM
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You should really think through your emotional, inflammatory, accusatory mind set before you post in a public forum. Stop bashing me for my views.
My reply wasn't "emotional".
My reply wasn't "inflammatory".
My reply wasn't "accusatory".

You did all of the above, not me...

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:34 AM
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Oh, I get it. You are saying that my signature suggests that one should speak their mind, but my comments that I am tired of anti-American sentiment are in oposition to that.

Not true.

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I have personally grown tired of the anti-American sentiment
So you're telling me that's not an oxymoron?

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:35 AM
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All off topic, moderators please clean this thread up and warn users trying to throw the thread off topic

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:40 AM
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:41 AM
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Is the purple tella tubby actually gay.

Ive reportd the post, I recommend the thread starter contact a moderator, have all of these, as well as my, threads removed and clean up this thread.

I enjoyed the work the thread starter put into this post only to watch an obvious trouble maker just want to destroy this person's enthusiam

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:47 AM
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I am an American and I am for the liberation of Iraq. With that said, I have personally grown tired of the anti-American sentiment that many people in the world have taken hold of (Even in our own country).

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I am an American and I am for the liberation of Iraq. With that said, I have personally grown tired of the anti-American sentiment that many people in the world have taken hold of (Even in our own country).
Personally I have grown tired with the notion that any criticism of the US government is somehow anti-american, which seems to be used by those who can't think of any better argument to defend the aforementioned administrations actions. On the whole I quite like America and have enjoyed my visits there, the fact that I criticise the US governemnt for starting an unjust war, for not signing up to the land mine treaty, for continuing an illegal embargo on Cuba and so on, does not make me anti-american.

I think China has an appaling human rights record, that is just as wrong as the US for not signing the land mine treaty and that the whole Tibet situation is a disgrace, am I anti-Chinese just because I disagree with some of their governemnts actions?

Britain at points over the last 300 years as behaved disgracefully in the way it colonised parts of the wordl, then raped them of resources, Britain is just as wrong as the US for going to war with Iraq, am I anti-British?

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Old 04-08-2003, 08:48 AM
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I enjoyed the work the thread starter put into this post only to watch an obvious trouble maker just want to destroy this person's enthusiam
Thank you Samuel. I am glad someone realizes the nature of my post. It was meant to be uplifting.

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