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09-12-2013, 08:19 PM #176Location = SoapBox
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09-12-2013, 08:27 PM #177Web Hosting Master
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09-12-2013, 08:31 PM #178Location = SoapBox
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lol
I'll take this further for you
every provider has resold their port capacity to some extent and likely oversold their upstream capacity to a certain extent. add to it, that every single upstream is selling the provider commits which are oversold
you either do not understand that every single provider is oversold (whether they know it or not), or you assume some simply are not - I can assure you, both the good and bad providers are oversold "somewhere" and to some extent
our resellers are permitted to oversell, which means, down to the shared hosting server level we are oversold
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09-12-2013, 08:48 PM #179Web Hosting Master
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09-12-2013, 08:54 PM #180Location = SoapBox
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LOL
come on, you can do it - have a rational conversation instead of being a troll
funny thing is, we have been around long enough (13+ years), and have pages of threads on this forum disagreeing with you - this sort of tactic doesnt concern me. maybe try these tactics on more junior folks?www.cartika.com
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09-12-2013, 08:58 PM #181Web Hosting Master
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I think you misunderstand my intention. But given that maybe something a troll would say, I guess I can not fault you for thinking so....
Never the less, I was being honest when I said it took 21 seconds for both links to load in my browser. You can take it or leave it. But that is one of the first things I do look for.
Because let's be honest... If the web host’s own site is slow to load, it does make someone a little sceptical about their services.0
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09-12-2013, 09:15 PM #182Location = SoapBox
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fair enough... and yes, it did sound a little trollish
you must admit its kinda a low blow - if you dont understand that every provider is overselling - thats one thing.. happy to explain it to you
re time to load, you should be careful - has little to do with overselling - external calls(ie google analytics), size of site, your specific route, etc play more into it then anything else
so, its a long stretch to determine anything by a one time loading test of any site and certainly you should reconsider how you evaluate if thats the case (as you so eloquently put it, you can take it or leave it) - thankfully though, I am comfortable and confident enough to know the average global results and load times of not only our site, but, our average shared site (with or without CDN, using or not using our DNS) on every server (at a glance)www.cartika.com
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09-13-2013, 03:52 AM #183Web Hosting Master
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This is good. One corner has logic, the other corner supports a theory they do not practice.3
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09-13-2013, 11:48 AM #184Dennis Johnson
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What if a host were to simply put a checkmark next to bandwidth and/or disk space to show they were included, just like some hosts put a checkmark next to email, mysql, etc. without stating any limits?
I've stated it before, but perhaps you've missed it in this lengthy thread.
When unlimited disk space and bandwidth offers were allowed on WHT (remember, they've only been banned 8 years), unlimited offers and limited offers were mixed altogether. The only thing that happened is, good hosts grew, not-so-good hosts didn't.
It's been here a while.
Overselling was the evil before us for many years.
Until some figured out what it meant.
Some of my favorite "WHT is a blight on the Internet" threads are from 2000.
I already admitted I was once against overselling. Have I mentioned I was once against unlimited?
I think your ISP is having issues.
Exactly! That's what the majority of consumers want. They want their web site to work. They're not so much concerned with all the numbers. They just want a site that fast and responsive.
I think we need more than two corners.
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09-13-2013, 12:58 PM #185Web Hosting Master
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09-13-2013, 01:02 PM #186Web Hosting Master
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It is unfortunate that instead of coming together as an industry this is creating a bigger barrier. The reality is unlimited vs. limited isn't the issue. There are as many horrible hosts who cap their space as there are horrible host who provide unlimited. Unlimited vs. limited is not the issue.
In addition, a ton of hosts who have space and bandwidth limits use lengthy AUP and resource use policies to prevent overloaded servers. Everyone really should because space and bandwidth are not truly the issues creating a poor hosting experience.
Ultimately the fight should be not about pushing away unlimited host; however, it should be about pushing away horrible host no matter whether they are limited or unlimited.
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09-13-2013, 01:27 PM #187Problem Solver
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Setting aside bandwidth:
From a technical side, things like unlimited subdomains, email addresses, etc all can exist, however since ultimately their primary limiting factor for their creation is disk space, disk space is the overall limiting factor for every other limit.Steven Ciaburri | Industry's Best Server Management - Rack911.com
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09-13-2013, 01:43 PM #188Dennis Johnson
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Just something I noticed on some web host somewhere. Like, Email?[check], FTP?[check], MySQL?[check]. That sure ain't telling the consumer anything. And I sure hope the trend doesn't trickle down to disk space and bandwidth.
Do you think the average consumer knows that? How much of my disk space does setting up an email account cost me? Am I going to consider disk space when it's email? I can't even set up an unlimited amount of emails when I'm sold an unlimited amount of emails. And since I've never used any email account I set up, how can I be out of disk space? They're emails!
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09-13-2013, 01:52 PM #189
Exactly!
I'm suspecting more and more that at least some of those opposing offers that don't specify disk space and bandwidth limits are afraid of more competition. I doubt they'll admit it, though. They'd rather use outdated thinking and find other points to pick at than look at how the industry as a whole has been managing with these types of offers for years.█ "Do what you can, where you are, with what you have." – Theodore Roosevelt █0
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09-13-2013, 02:16 PM #190Web Hosting Master
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Those aren't quantities though, whereas disk space is. Are you talking about email accounts? Email processes? Email servers? Email storage space? Emails sent per minute? Otherwise, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison with "unlimited disk space".
That sure ain't telling the consumer anything.
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09-13-2013, 02:24 PM #191Web Hosting Master
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09-13-2013, 02:26 PM #192Disabled
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Time to limit all our package's emails, mysqls, ftp to comply with new WHT.
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09-13-2013, 02:28 PM #193Web Hosting Master
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I never thought I would see the day that "Unlimited Bandwidth and Disk Space" would be considered a reality at WHT.
So where can I go buy one of these unlimited hard drives?
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09-13-2013, 02:33 PM #194Web Hosting Master
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I'm still trying to figure out where to buy unlimited disks.
The notion of "we call it unlimited, but it's not really unlimited, it's just that we provide more disk space than the client is ever likely to use. And if they do somehow manage to fill up the server, we'll just point to the fine print in the TOS, AUP, or order page as justification for terminating their service or impairing their usage" is just completely against every tenet of "truth in advertising".
I wonder how many of the "unlimited disk space" hosts are willing to advertise "Maximum inode count" front and center on their details page, with an explanation at the bottom of what an inode is.▐█▌Fresh Roasted Hosting :: High-performance Harrisburg web hosting since 2012!
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09-13-2013, 02:37 PM #195Web Hosting Master
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09-13-2013, 02:37 PM #196Web Hosting Master
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I just wish the anti-unlimited people had new complaints besides just repeating the same thing over and over.
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09-13-2013, 02:39 PM #197Web Hosting Master
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That's a good point, I bet the majority of these anti unlimited providers have no restrictions on INodes. We've had INode restrictions forever. People just think unlimited means INode restrictions, while it's not true at all.
If you run a hosting company and don't limit the INodes a customer can use, you're asking for trouble....2
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Don't blame WHT for WHT's decisions? Well, that's certainly an interesting approach.
"Blame" is hardly the correct word here. We were asked for feedback, and we're providing it. So far it's been a civil discussion. Though we certainly don't agree with WHT's decision, it's not like this has degenerated into a troll-fest or name-calling or anything.▐█▌Fresh Roasted Hosting :: High-performance Harrisburg web hosting since 2012!
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