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04-07-2003, 12:38 AM #1Web Hosting Guru
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Suggestion: eliminate Web Hosting Requests forum
I know this sounds pretty extreme, but I have a couple reasons for suggesting this:
1) Almost every thread in that forum contains replies that violate one or another of the board rules.
2) The lack of professionalism of the "companies" which make the majority of replies in that forum are not representative of our industry as a whole. Giving such prominance to that mess is degrading to the reputation of our industry, and insulting and embarrassing to the responsible professional people in this business.
3) Treating those replies with respect, especially protecting them from critisicm and archiving them for posterity is misleading and harmful to the hosting newbies who come here looking for guidance. There should not be one forum where people can boast of security flaws as though they were features!
4) There is an acknowledged problem with indivduals misusing that forum to make fraudulent offers and basically rip people off. By disallowing comment and argument about those offers WHT and it's owner and moderators may be subject to legal liability when these thieves continue to prey on visitors. It's kind of like maintaining an unlighted parking lot when you know that your shoppers are getting mugged on the way back to their cars. Irresponsible. Negligent. Gross Indifference. What do they call it?
SO Anyhow, I suggest that we just talk in the topical forums, and advertise in the offers forums, and let anybody who wants use a PM to request quotes from the hosts who interest them.
Ok, go ahead, beat me up now
Or agree with me
I really like WHT, but the hosting request forum makes me feel dirty
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04-07-2003, 01:10 AM #2
Re: Suggestion: eliminate Web Hosting Requests forum
Originally posted by Luxore
1) Almost every thread in that forum contains replies that violate one or another of the board rules.(
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04-07-2003, 05:37 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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A lot of people attend this forum purely for that board. It would improve quality but greaty reduce the forums user base.
Nice idea though!Matt Wallis
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04-07-2003, 10:51 AM #4WHT Addict
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Originally posted by UH-Matt
A lot of people attend this forum purely for that board. It would improve quality but greaty reduce the forums user base.
Nice idea though!"Genetically engineered food
is corporate bioterrorism"
--- musings of a human guinea pig
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04-07-2003, 11:09 AM #5Web Hosting Master
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I didnt say anything about website reviews.
The website reviews section used to be just as bad as the ads forum! 90% of the posts contained "nice site" and that was it.
Im sure people such as yourself gave solid reviews and enjoy posting there, but for other people it was seen as a cheap, easy post count ride.
Its all pretty sad and pathetic, but something we must all live with on forums.Matt Wallis
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04-07-2003, 11:18 AM #6Texas Female
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Hi Luxore...
The trouble is there have been numerous requests, suggestions to re-structure the forums in general, OR do away with the offers/requests all together. Unfortunately most requests seem to "fall on deaf ears" so, I guess you have to learn to live with it the way it is.
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04-07-2003, 11:55 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Re: Hi Luxore...
Originally posted by Martie
Unfortunately most requests seem to "fall on deaf ears" so, I guess you have to learn to live with it the way it is.
Why change the structure at all ? Its been fine for many years.
Requests is an integral part of this place weather we like it or not.Matt Wallis
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04-07-2003, 12:45 PM #8Texas Female
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Re: Re: Hi Luxore...
Originally posted by UH-Matt
That is because most requests are not good requests which would benefit the forums.
Why change the structure at all ? Its been fine for many years.
Requests is an integral part of this place weather we like it or not.HostCaters.com - Quality Web Hosting - Under A Gig! - Since 1999
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04-07-2003, 02:20 PM #9Dennis Johnson
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Re: Re: Hi Luxore...
Originally posted by UH-Matt
That is because most requests are not good requests which would benefit the forums. . . . . . .
Why change the structure at all ? Its been fine for many years.
Requests is an integral part of this place weather we like it or not.
Personally, I say leave them. Just moderate them.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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04-07-2003, 02:34 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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The requests forum I couldnt care less about. Was just stating an opinion.
IMHO.
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04-07-2003, 05:42 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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ME TOO, I agree to close that forum!
I can't concentrate on my work plus got a warning today saying that I will get banned eventually~
I am NOT going to touch that forum!
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oh, I've just received a emeow from human saying I won't get banned!Last edited by YUPAPA; 04-07-2003 at 05:51 PM.
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04-07-2003, 06:45 PM #12Temporarily Suspended
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I say dump the forum along with signatures.
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04-08-2003, 01:13 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Re: Suggestion: eliminate Web Hosting Requests forum
Originally posted by Luxore
4) There is an acknowledged problem with indivduals misusing that forum to make fraudulent offers and basically rip people off. By disallowing comment and argument about those offers WHT and it's owner and moderators may be subject to legal liability when these thieves continue to prey on visitors. It's kind of like maintaining an unlighted parking lot when you know that your shoppers are getting mugged on the way back to their cars. Irresponsible. Negligent. Gross Indifference. What do they call it?
I hear that some scam artists use the telephone to rip people off. Irresponsible? Negligent? Gross Indifference? Maybe a forum is different... Call your lawyer, there's a big check waiting for you because you signing up for $5 worth of hosting and it wasn't provided to your satisfaction. Make sure to tell them that the company or individual that provided (or didn't provide the serve in this case) isn't responsible... it's the forum on which the offer was posted which is responsible.
I suppose one should automatically assume, without question, that any offer made via a forum, the newspaper, a magazine, or the telephone, etc., is a valid one? One should assume that the responsiblity of ensuring the validity of the offer rests squarely and unconditionally on the media in which the offer was relayed, and that you can sue for large damages should this not be the case?
IANAL, but me thinks this wouldn't fly for a white guy.
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04-08-2003, 05:16 AM #14Web Hosting Guru
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Hey Chicken good to see you!
The legal stuff, it's exagerated, but it's also true. Because you know, that's how the american legal scene is. 40,000 guys cook the books. 5 guys go to jail for 20 years.
You never know what's gonna happen.
Maybe tomorrow some high school kid kills himself because he couldn't face the shame of having lost his yearbook's online hosting money to some slimeball on wht.
And then some lawyer will be asking you about the 6000 distinct complaints of criminal behavior that were reported on WHT during your tenure as a moderator. They are all there in the database you know.
Do I really think this is going to happen? No, but it could.
It's much more likely that a _lot_ of people will be hurt a small amount each and will not seek legal relief.
But is that really any better?
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04-10-2003, 03:49 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Luxore
Hey Chicken good to see you!
The legal stuff, it's exagerated, but it's also true. Because you know, that's how the american legal scene is.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if you could sue a forum for an ad placed (and win). It wold make me want to throw my hands up and scream... but it woldn't surprise me, heh.
I just re-read my post above and noticed all the spelling errors and incorrect usage of words, but I typed it fast and recently corrected one too many papers, and not in the mood to correct my own, please forgive.