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  1. #1
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    is this a null route from hivelocity for no reason?

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    for no reason , i mean i offended them by opening alot tickets and asking them to fix my ddos

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    Maybe The reason of that is you got a huge ddos which distrub their network.

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    Hello,

    It looks like you are drawing an attack larger than 1GB, which is the largest size attack the RioRey can handle. Your IP is null routed so you do not take down the other customers using the RioRey as well.





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    wats the point of null routing , the attack will know that his attacks are working and he will just continue , and if u dont null route , the attacker will just give up later and no more attack , isnt that good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangozanji View Post
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    Hello,

    It looks like you are drawing an attack larger than 1GB, which is the largest size attack the RioRey can handle. Your IP is null routed so you do not take down the other customers using the RioRey as well.





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    wats the point of null routing , the attack will know that his attacks are working and he will just continue , and if u dont null route , the attacker will just give up later and no more attack , isnt that good?
    Your host has no choice in this matter. If the attack is saturating the switch and you're not subscribed to a sophisticated DDoS mitigation service then you need to hold tight.
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    and if u dont null route , the attacker will just give up later and no more attack , isnt that good?
    That made me laugh.

    Bandwidth costs money dude, you should be happy that you are not being charged for those attacks.

    When you attract a DDoS, it incurs a high amount of traffic for the host that they need to pay for moreover it saturates the network and all servers in that network experience poor service.

    Why don't you just try mitigating the attacks for going for a proper DDoS solutions like Black Lotus or Staminus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangozanji View Post
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    and this is my reply

    wats the point of null routing , the attack will know that his attacks are working and he will just continue , and if u dont null route , the attacker will just give up later and no more attack , isnt that good?
    It doesn't have to do with the attack saturating their datacenter bandwidth at all; from the sounds of it, the attack was saturating their shared DDOS mitigation device and disrupting other users behind it. By null routing you upstream of the RioRey device, other users behind continue to see things as business as usual. This is pretty standard.

    While hosts such as HiVelocity (and even Rackspace can be included in this) provide DDOS mitigation services to their clients as options, they are generally not suited for large attack mitigation, just your common day to day script kiddies hitting your site without a large botnet backing them up. If you hit the point where you start needing DDOS mitigation in the 1-10Gbp/s+ range, you need to start looking at real DDOS mitigation providers, such as Prolexic or Incapsula, which will provide proxied mitigation to your current hosting provider.

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    Everything is OK here. Provider prevents other customers.
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    1GB DDOS is definitely a good reason to null route...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthigpen View Post
    It doesn't have to do with the attack saturating their datacenter bandwidth at all; from the sounds of it, the attack was saturating their shared DDOS mitigation device and disrupting other users behind it. By null routing you upstream of the RioRey device, other users behind continue to see things as business as usual. This is pretty standard.

    While hosts such as HiVelocity (and even Rackspace can be included in this) provide DDOS mitigation services to their clients as options, they are generally not suited for large attack mitigation, just your common day to day script kiddies hitting your site without a large botnet backing them up. If you hit the point where you start needing DDOS mitigation in the 1-10Gbp/s+ range, you need to start looking at real DDOS mitigation providers, such as Prolexic or Incapsula, which will provide proxied mitigation to your current hosting provider.
    You have an interesting perspective of "real". RioRey has solutions that scale to from 100Mbps to 50Gbps and 32m pps. The provision of DDoS protection comes mostly in two forms. Using your own dedicated purchased device which you can control and manage or sending the traffic to a third party to "clean". Both options are real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RioReyDDoS View Post
    You have an interesting perspective of "real". RioRey has solutions that scale to from 100Mbps to 50Gbps and 32m pps. The provision of DDoS protection comes mostly in two forms. Using your own dedicated purchased device which you can control and manage or sending the traffic to a third party to "clean". Both options are real.
    I don't think he was attacking you. He was simply saying that there are providers that specialize in larger DDoS mitigation and that HiVelocity wasn't one of them, which they don't claim to be. If the OP was attracting larger attacks then he may need to seek out the services of someone who specialized in them, whether they use your product or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RioReyDDoS View Post
    You have an interesting perspective of "real". RioRey has solutions that scale to from 100Mbps to 50Gbps and 32m pps. The provision of DDoS protection comes mostly in two forms. Using your own dedicated purchased device which you can control and manage or sending the traffic to a third party to "clean". Both options are real.
    I believe that dthigpen is defining real as a solution that is "purpose built," not to say that the provider in question does not operate an appliance of some sort.

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    If you are regularly being attacked either move to a provider that offers decent dDoS protection or using a 3rd party dDoS protection service.
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    I believe the RioRey solution addresses the subjective comments in this threads like "real" and "decent" and "purpose built". The challenge posed here is how to handle attacks greater than 1Gbps. RioRey has many clients using the RioRey 10Gbps and multiple 10Gbps solutions to protect against these larger attacks.

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