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05-15-2012, 11:13 PM #1Web Hosting Evangelist
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Do you have Facebook?
So who's here planning to buy FB come this friday? Why and why not?
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05-16-2012, 12:55 PM #2Web Hosting Master
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05-16-2012, 01:21 PM #3Retired Moderator
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Not a great investment in my opinion either. They have already had to admit recently that revenue is dropping with the increase in mobile browsing.
The bulk of the client base are kids, so no spending power. Great web success story but limited future return IMO.
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05-16-2012, 01:25 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Yes I will be buying on open but for me it's part of a more diverse hedging strategy that wont see Facebook as a part of it for long.
I agree with Keith that as a viable long term business it's future is limited and once you open your business to the market you are at the mercy of it, which I doubt Facebook will cope with for too long.
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05-16-2012, 03:38 PM #5Moving the Web Forward
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Might be good for a few quick day trades, but long term, I do not see it happening (at least not for me).
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05-16-2012, 03:40 PM #6Web Hosting Master
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05-16-2012, 03:47 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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I'm holding off on Facebook. It's really quite the gamble. Admittedly, they have maintained their status as the top U.S. (not sure about global) social network for such a long time now that you have to wonder just what it will take for them to see the same fate as other networks that came before them. I thought they'd have been gone years ago, but they're not. I also still can't put a finger on what it is that makes a social network win from the start, and that worries me. We know that social networks do not win the top spot by being better, simpler, more functional, less functional, more attractively designed, or less attractively designed. On that note it's just hard to tell when their last day as the successful network will be. I'd be scared every time Google repackaged their "Seriously guys use our social network instead of theirs" service.
It's an uneasy feeling to feel like you understand it's particular market as well as one possibly can, and still have no confidence in it or any similar product. Social networking is not long term investor friendly in my opinion.Last edited by mxroute; 05-16-2012 at 03:53 PM.
Ain't here to spam my signature, I'm not desperate for sales.
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05-16-2012, 03:51 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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I had a Facebook in college, I deleted it after using it for a year or so, and I refuse to create another one.
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05-16-2012, 06:22 PM #9Newbie
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GM have pulled all advertising due to no return, I can't say it is a viable platform.
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05-16-2012, 11:04 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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05-16-2012, 11:57 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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05-17-2012, 12:31 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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If I had a ton of money, I'd be short selling facebook like crazy. The IPO just makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
Facebook, according to their numbers in SEC report, they make...
rev: 3.7 billion
profit: 1.000 billion (I love how it ended it nice zeros. That's one billion. Just wanted to highlight all the zero decimal points. lol)
in 2011.
And we're valuating the company at what??? 104 billion now?
They get a P/E ratio of 104?!?!?! ROFL!!!! Dude!! NO ONE!!! gets a rediculous P/E ratios like that. Not even stable industries. And we're giving a social media site which we don't even know it'll exist in a few years a 104? Biotech, one of the "safer" tech industry gets a P/E ratio of around 16. Microsoft has a PE ratio of 10.88. Apple gets 13.31. And we're betting that facebook has more longevity than msft and apple??
I'm wishing I had a ton of money to short sell this...I have no sig to spam.
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05-17-2012, 12:34 AM #13Retired Moderator
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05-17-2012, 12:36 AM #14The Linux Specialist
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05-17-2012, 12:40 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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05-17-2012, 02:03 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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People are a lot smarter than you give them credit. Facebook had always encouraged people to create their timeline on their site, so that even if a competitor comes along, people will stick with Facebook because no one will want to re-create their online profile. Majority of Facebook users don't worry about privacy, they are more than willing to share their life online, with their inner circle of friends.
Facebook is not just a website they are selling, they are selling their social graphs. Facebook want users to surf the internet with the social element.
I can see Facebook introducing their own payment system. So let's say you are surfing NYtimes.com, and when you click to purchase subscriptions, you are not only signing in with Facebook SSO, but also paying the subscription through your Facebook dollars. The key is to get a cut of billion of dollars in transactions conducted online. Google launched Google Wallet for this very purpose.
Also, studies have shown that 90% of people purchase goods based on recommendation by friends. They trust friends more than advertisements. Facebook has 900million users, 500million are active users. That itself is worth a lot.
But till now, they haven't figured it out how to monetize the site further. Games revenue is a big component, people likes playing social games among friends. But I can see complaints if they inserts ads inside peoples' streams. Recently they have launched a trail in New Zealand where users can pay for highlighting a post, just as we pay for sticky threads.
Facebook is going to last a long time, but not sure about the current valuation.
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05-17-2012, 03:44 AM #17Temporarily Suspended
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It seems that the marketing impact of Facebook is decreasing. Since Facebook changes its display, the average Likes has also declined.
For online marketing, especially for b2b marketing, I think LinkedIn is a better place than Facebook.
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05-17-2012, 08:05 AM #18Junior Guru
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Fortunately no. I have never had a Facebook account.
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05-17-2012, 09:46 AM #19Web Hosting Master
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I'm interested to see how things develop, so I've placed a number of Facebook shares which I've priced at $36 (last information I saw suggested $34 - $38 / share) in a dummy portfolio so I can watch the changes as they happen with no risk to me.
If the initial price changes I can easily edit it
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05-17-2012, 11:30 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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Personally I've seen an increase in quality likes and a decrease in random, "I'm never going to visit your page again" likes, for what that's worth. I do think Facebook marketing is on the decline as well though, it doesn't seem to generate quality results for anyone I've worked with on it in the last few months. Even a good "like" from a visitor that actually meant to do it isn't having positive results. Granted, I'm not the best at marketing.
Ain't here to spam my signature, I'm not desperate for sales.
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05-17-2012, 11:41 AM #21Web Hosting Master
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The topic title is about shares in Facebook rather than having an account on Facebook, which is a bit misleading.
Anyways, I don't even use the service, let alone wanting to invest in it.
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05-17-2012, 01:34 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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My sister wanted me to sign up for facebook. I took one look at it and thought. Nah. I don't have any use for it.
So I don't have an account on facebook and I would never buy it either.
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05-18-2012, 09:10 AM #23Junior Guru Wannabe
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Twitter > Facebook.
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05-18-2012, 12:43 PM #25Junior Guru
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Not for me. Think it might be already at its height popularity wise.
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