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Old 03-17-2012, 05:05 AM
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WiredTree - 1.5 years customer review


My situation.

WiredTree is my first VPS provider. My problem was my sites grew way beyond shared hosting while I had zero experience with systems administration and VPS - so I wanted managed service. I have about 50 different sites - from Wordpress blogs to real estate catalogs, yellow pages, B2B services and sites with intensive Facebook / Twitters APIs usage. Total amount of visitors > 1m monthly.


Speed and access.

WT servers are on the other side of planet for me and most of my visitors (from all around the world) and myself never had any problems with access to my sites and I never got any complaints about speed of services from my visitors / clients. One of my services use database with 5 millions strings and it's extremely fast (200 nested SELECT/JOIN queries take like 0.2 seconds).


Reliability and uptime.

Last month was difficult: 2 of my sub-accounts were "attacked" by data mining spider in one case and e-mail spammers in other case (guys used vulnerability in Wordpress theme to queue spam). In both episodes whole server was affected and support had to shut down sub-accounts to restore system functionality. However I believe during 1.5 years my account was down for no more than 6 hours total - it's like widely advertised 99.99% uptime. But in case with WiredTree it's for real without any small text excuses in the end of user agreement.


Support.

I've never seen and never heard about anything like this service. WiredTree support is far beyond my expectation. These guys work until issue will be resolved completely - I've never got answer like "industry-standard" replies "it's your account, you modified it, you are using non-standard configuration, we can't help with modifications, 3rd party software is not our expertise, you have to check log files etc. etc.". Usually my issues being resolved in less than a hour, never seen anything lasted for more than 24 hours.


Bonus.

Company upgraded my account according to changes in their hosting plans - without price change. Basically I have 2 times more RAM, HDD and traffic I've started to pay for 1.5 years ago.


Conclusion.

I'm 100% sure my sites are safe and possible issues will be resolved in most suitable manner and in shortest time span possible. This comfort definitely worth additional money for managed service. Would I recommend WiredTree service to friends? Yes, yes and yes again.

Is where anything I regret using WiredTree service? Yes 1) I regret I didn't switch to them like 1-2 years earlier and 2) I feel sorry it took so long to write this review of their excellent service (I should do it earlier to help WT with their business).

If you have any questions about my experience - I'm ready to answer.


Last edited by 3dom; 03-17-2012 at 05:12 AM. Reason: added note about questions / answers
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:30 AM
TimothyH TimothyH is offline
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That is one amazingly detailed review. Thank you for taking the time to post it! It's always refreshing to see a positive review of a web hosting company from a long term, satisfied client.

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Old 03-17-2012, 05:51 AM
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My situation.

WiredTree is my first VPS provider.
Thanks for providing your domains hosted there

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Old 03-17-2012, 09:05 AM
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Great job WiredTree!

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Old 03-26-2012, 04:20 PM
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What about what appears to be downtime missteps as of late
http://www.facebook.com/WiredTree
Seems like a non starter for someone shopping new service

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Old 03-26-2012, 09:19 PM
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I didn't notice any downtime on my sites - and I'm working on them for like 18 hours in a row today. Either that power outage is in another datacenter (not sure if there is only one or multiple datacenters) or there is good power backup system or I'm lucky and my server wasn't affected.

Edit: electric outage was yesterday. There were few "hiccups" but they were just few seconds long (less than a minute) and I've decided they were related to my activity.


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Old 03-27-2012, 02:12 PM
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It's nice to see reviews like this. I'll probably be switching to them soon.

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Old 04-02-2012, 04:12 PM
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Thank you so much for taking the time to write up a review of our services 3dom! We're glad to hear you are happy and we'll do what it takes to make sure you continue to be.

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Old 04-02-2012, 08:47 PM
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I highly recommend everyone to AVOID Wiretree and instead go to ServInt.


I have been with Wiretree and ServInt since last June and will be cancelling my Wiretree account due to a recent incident.

Incident:

We had some problem with Yum and instead of helping us, the Customer Service Manager spent more time accusing us breaking the server and want to charge us $75/h to fix it. They say we installed python at Feb 26 and said it broke the server. Little did they know, we started getting RPM corruption e-mail from Cpanel in Febuary 16. The reason we tried to install python because yum started to give "missing initparse" error. Not only did they not try to help us, they accuse us multiple time that we broke the server.

They also accuse us several things that are untrue and completely unrelated to the issue. For example, they accuse us of hosting domains. Little did they know, we are running a private DNS server to do DNS filtering like OpenDNS. Our customer wants certain domain to be allowed or disallowed. Instead of fixing the YUm/broken python/corruptted RPM issue, WiredTree decided to dig around our server and make these false accusations.


They also accuse us running squid server. Little did they know, Squid is NOT even running or installed at the server. We installed it few months ago to run some quick test and quickly removed it after done the testing.



At ServInt, they not only support you, they go beyond everything to make everything work for you. We currently spend about $300 a month at ServInt and plan to stay at WiredTree because switch

ServInt:
1. Same price and good specs
2. Excellent technical support
3. Go beyond the call of duty to make everything work for you
4. Very accommodating
5. Everyone from sales, billing, tech are excellent people
5. Long history 1995

Wiretree:
1. Same price and little bit more ram
2. Horrible support and prefer to make false accusation
3. The accusation is not made by field tech; instead it was the Customer Service Manager (will not mention his name) who made these accusation instead of helping. A customer service manager is suppose to help customer relationship instead of making accusations and escalate a simple issue to a negative review. A review like this will not be appearing at WHT if they have a competent manager.
4. Short history only 2006



Like I said, if you are sitting at the fence between Wiretree and ServInt, go with ServInt and you can't go wrong with that.

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:16 PM
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1) thanks, Zac, for your activity on these forums which led me to WT and

2) I've had few client's sites hosted on ServInt VPS a year ago - experience wasn't long enough to judge (> 6 months) but overall I'd say it's not "pleasurable" - just "ok" (longer support response time, firewall which didn't "like" my IP address). Probably because I was involved as 3rd party developer.

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Old 04-03-2012, 12:06 AM
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I highly recommend everyone to AVOID Wiretree and instead go to ServInt.
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At ServInt, they not only support you, they go beyond everything to make everything work for you. We currently spend about $300 a month at ServInt and plan to stay at WiredTree because switch

ServInt:
1. Same price and good specs
2. Excellent technical support
3. Go beyond the call of duty to make everything work for you
4. Very accommodating
5. Everyone from sales, billing, tech are excellent people
5. Long history 1995

Wiretree:
1. Same price and little bit more ram
2. Horrible support and prefer to make false accusation
3. The accusation is not made by field tech; instead it was the Customer Service Manager (will not mention his name) who made these accusation instead of helping. A customer service manager is suppose to help customer relationship instead of making accusations and escalate a simple issue to a negative review. A review like this will not be appearing at WHT if they have a competent manager.
4. Short history only 2006
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Could you submit your ip/domain to prove you are with ServInt right now ? Just click the report button on top of right corner.

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Old 04-03-2012, 12:22 AM
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Could you submit your ip/domain to prove you are with ServInt right now ? Just click the report button on top of right corner.
Are you a moderator? If yes, please send me a private message. If not, then I'm not obliged to provide any information.

I'm happy to pm my info to any ServInt reps if they are interested.

A happy customer will tell 1 and an unhappy customer will tell 10.


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Old 04-03-2012, 01:58 AM
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Are you a moderator? If yes, please send me a private message. If not, then I'm not obliged to provide any information.
Just hit the report button as the other user stated. I believe you posted a real review but the moderators will require this regardless. They do so on most reviews. It's just to ensure company's aren't posting fake reviews or bashing competitors. It actually happens quite often with various providers.

The OP was verified and this posts shows that
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Thanks for providing your domains hosted there

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Old 04-03-2012, 02:20 AM
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Nice balanced review OP.

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Old 04-03-2012, 02:05 PM
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Just hit the report button as the other user stated. I believe you posted a real review but the moderators will require this regardless. They do so on most reviews. It's just to ensure company's aren't posting fake reviews or bashing competitors. It actually happens quite often with various providers.

The OP was verified and this posts shows that
Ok thanks. I just reported and submitted the IP address of both servint and wiredtree at the Report button.

More details:

We run recursive DNS service and did not plan to cancel our wiretree server before this because it is a major headache to change IP address if you are running a DNS server. Unfortunately, Wiredtree forced this upon us and we have no choice but to switch away from them. Lessoned learned.

Now we have all but one of our DNS servers are based on EC2 which is a lot cheaper at $12/month for reserved and don't make false accusations like Wiredtree. Our web servers and mysql database cluster are hosted at ServInt and Rackspace which have been very stable. We haven't needed to use support yet at Rackspace so we can't comment on their tech support but ServInt has been helpful in everything. Even at certain circumstances where ServInt can't help, they will not take an offensive stance like Wiredtree by falsely claiming we broke A,B,C and violated 1, 2, 3 rules by making their case stronger.

Just one example:

We have two DNS servers, one hosted at ServInt since June 2011 at $49/month, another one $49/month at WiredTree since last June as well. Obviously we didn't need much support help because it is simply BIND.

Recently, we are switching to PowerDNS so we needed to install some extra stuffs and get rid of cpanel because it is not necessary of our application. We made a request at ServInt and asking if they can provision a new server for few days without cpanel and extra bulk so we can begin configuring it. When we are done, they can reroute the IP address to the new server and cancel the old one so we can minimize the downtime. The answer from ServInt, "No problem, here is the new server and you have 7 days to configure it and transfer your data to the new server."


Once we are done with transforming the ServInt DNS server, we began to work on the Wiredtree one. We didn't touch the Wiredtree server because it was having some issue back in Feburary already when we tried to convert to webmin to manage BIND cluster. We couldn't use Yum which said missing python initparse. We gave up on that attempt because we didn't want to mess up the server since it was the Master server. However, since we have to switch to PowerDNS now, we tried again to fix yum but couldn't so we contacted support. The level 1 support guy was helpful but he couldn't fix it. As result, I asked if we can have a new server, give me few days to configure it just like ServInt, and reroute the old IP to the new server. The Level 1 tech guy couldn't help so he got his manager to answer the question. What is the response? Well, I was shocked when the Customer service manager said the following before offering any help options:

1. Instead of finding a solution, he first dug up the history of our SSH and claimed we broke the server by trying to install Python. We tried to install python because the Yum was broken and asking for Python initparse. And we started to get "RPM corrupted" e-mail from Cpanel way before we tried to install any Python.

2. He accused us of breaking their TOS saying we installed Squid. Yes, we did made an installation of Squid on this server but it was to do a test to see if our configuration was working or not since we had some problem at another server. Which webmaster hasn't installed something on another server to test few things? More importantly, at the time of his accusation, we don't even have Squid running NOR installed. The squid was long removed after our test because we won't jeopardize anything else running on our Master DNS server.

3. He accused us of having some other domains record on our DNS server and questioned why we have them. We run a DNS filtering service and our customers decide what domain to allow or deny in their private network. Why is Wiredtree began to question what content we have on our server when they are completely legal? Have they even heard of something called OpenDNS which filters domain and allow DNS based access control? We felt completely violated by this. We never had another host doing this to us and we are spending over $2000 a month on our hosting bill. It is not much compare to large companies but it is not little either.

4. Finally, he offered 3 options to help:

a. Pay $75/h to fix the Python issue since he said we broke it and they can't help if we tried to install any package or RPM on our own. (what is the point of ROOT access if we can't install our own RPM?)

b. Pay FULL for a new server , transfer the data but lose our Old IP. (ServInt gave us few days free to do this and reroute the IP for us and WIredtree not only want to charge a full price but will remove our old IP)

c. Have few hours of downtime to restore the server to blank state. (Not acceptable to have few hours downtime on a recursive DNS server; we will also need to spent hours testing and configuring our PowerDNS, firewall, tuning, and etc. The total downtime will be more than 10 hours for a recursive server).



Obviously cost is not that big of the issue for us but the principle is. We decided to sucked it up last night and contacted 8000 customers by e-mail telling them to update their DNS setting because we will be removing one of the DNS server from our cluster. It is a huge issue for us because DNS filtering is our bread and butter but we have to do it because we don't feel safe any more having WiredTree as our host. We can't have long-term relationship with a host that not only don't offer the basic courtesy to an almost one year customer who needed little support or used up their resources (<20gb/month in transfer, 0.1% cpu use), they also like to make accusations which are untrue.

This experience also made us like and trust ServInt even more because it is a stark contrast in real customer service and caring when they offer the same price and similar hardware.

Lessons we learned:

1. Spread out our servers in multiple host so we won't be held by the neck by anyone.
2. Go with EC2 if you prefer fast turnaround in everything. Server broken? No problem, fire up a new instance, configure it, and just assign the old elastic IP to the new one. Easy as a cake.
3. Reserved small instance only costs $29/month after factoring the 1year advance fee. Good deal for 1.7ghz and 2gb of ram.
4. Reserved micro only $12/month
5. Use ServInt if you want to host stable web servers/database or anything that are mission critical. The tech response time is great and will go beyond to help. We actually planned to move one of our servers away from ServInt before since we don't use that much resource(mostly self-manage) and it was overkill. At the end, we decided against it because we feel loyal to them and they have been very helpful in everything. We are very comfortable to have our webserver , master database, and a DNS server at ServInt.
6. Rackspace is quite nice but we are shocked that you can't choose your own data center. We initially planned to build a NDB mysql cluster based on Rackspace but quickly cancelled the plan. Now we are hosting one mysql slave there and no issue so far. Never contacted the support yet.
7. We also have few non-essential servers at VPS.NET. What I like about them is the freedom they give you like EC2 to fire up a server, close it down, scale up, scale down. The only trouble is the billing confusion and sometimes downtime (had it once). It is very good, after EC2, to quickly fire up a new server to test new concepts and debug application configurations. Overall, it is good value if you can tolerate some downtime or can fix anything yourself.


I truly hope there will be a viable contender of EC2 because no one is close to them in terms of scalability and flexibility.

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