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Old 02-26-2012, 04:50 PM
Argoz Argoz is offline
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Wordpress hosting project - I need your advices


Hi,

I'm planning to launch a little project. I want to offer wordpress hosting only services.

I read a lot of threads and i think i will use Varnish (from Unixy) on the server.
My PHP Handler is suPHP and i can't run any opcode on it.

Do you think the best solution is Varnish with W3 Total Cache on each Wordpress installation?

I think i can add Varnish + Nginx too.

Is it a big problem to do not have any php opcode?
suPHP seems to be perfect for security and Wordpress can auto update without FTP.



Thanks for you help and your good advices

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Old 02-26-2012, 08:44 PM
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Have you considered FastCGI? It operates almost like suPHP but uses a fraction of the CPU power required. Processes are still executed as the user, like suPHP, and there really isn't any need to use suPHP these days ... besides, you can also use suhosin with FastCGI for added security.

http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/
http://bit51.com/fastcgi-vs-suphp-vs...s-mod_php-dso/

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Old 02-26-2012, 08:52 PM
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Patrick, thanks a lot for this great information!!!

I will be able to use opcode now + varnish + nginx (not sure for it), that will be a nice solutions for me (resources usage) and my clients (fast fast fast).

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Old 02-27-2012, 09:13 PM
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:38 AM
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If you will use nginx then you don't have to use varnish, you need to choose one. It you can use nginx+wp-supercache or w3cache then your cache pages will be loaded from files via nginx and it will be extremely fast, you just need to use proper nginx config for this purpose.

Also I believe with shared server like i7 + 8-16gig of RAM you can host big amount of wordpress sites even with simple suphp itself.

Are you planning to use any control panel? I don't think it will be easy enough to tune-up nginx to not only reverse-proxy requests but to serve cached pages. If you're planning to use cPanel then just stick with apache+suphp+varnish

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:22 PM
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Hi Crashus, thanks for your reply!

I'm using cPanel with NginxCP (http://nginxcp.com/) at the moment for testing.
The results are not bad.

Yesterday i had a problem with fastcgi, a lot of errors from mod_fcgid. I switched for suPHP.

Do you think nginx (or varnish) + opcode APC will be a good combinaison for this project? At the moment i can't run fastcgi, but i will find a solution soon (i hope).


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Old 02-28-2012, 12:31 PM
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Hi Crashus, thanks for your reply!

I'm using cPanel with NginxCP (http://nginxcp.com/) at the moment for testing.
The results are not bad.

Yesterday i had a problem with fastcgi, a lot of errors from mod_fcgid. I switched for suPHP.

Do you think nginx (or varnish) + opcode APC will be a good combinaison for this project? At the moment i can't run fastcgi, but i will find a solution soon (i hope).


Thanks
No probs You can PM me, I am always willing to help people with my knowledge

What you basically need it wordpress plugin which will provide you with caching technology, varnish can sometimes delay page updates - for example user will post his entry and it will be cached by varnish only after 5 minutes. Also he can consume large amounts of disk space if you're not familiar with its config options. But I think unixy can solve this for you.

Basically you need one good-tuned cache option, varnish is the best caching of course as it is working on the http level, not on the php-requests like any opcode.

opcode will not give you that much of speed without wordpress caching, there will be tons of different requests which APC or eaccelerator will not be able to handle. And as for nginxcp - it will not deliver the cached pages itself - it will only proxy your requests and maybe cache them for a while. You need to setup your own nginx instance with its config, which will most-lileky be hard enough is you're allowing many subdomains\addon domains, but ca be done easily if you're only allowing 1 WP blog per account.

So I am against many cache-levels but this is only my point of view.

Are you sure you will use cPanel? You can build-up some custom setup with nginx and caching maybe, but if you'll go with cPanel then varnish is most-likely will be enough without any other plugins like nginxcp, etc.
And in this scenario you don't need opcode caching so you can just stick to pure suPhp


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