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[2Grumpy]

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(I won't post the rest)

So this dude sends out some good old spam (not from my servers, not advertising a site on my servers, nor using an email address hosted on my servers) and he HOTLINKS to an image on a customers site (this arrow.gif) and WE GET THE SPAMCOP COMPLAINT (or more accurately the data center I'm in does).

This is absurd.

[allera]

At least you're made aware of the situation. Getting a complaint doesn't do much as long as you fix the problem. Would you (or your customer) have preferred that no one ever notified you of the hotlinking and the spammer continued to use the customer's (and your) bandwidth and server time?

I wouldn't. I would have liked to received that complaint. Maybe I'm not seeing the big picture, though.

[2Grumpy]

This wasn't sent to the owner of the web site, this wasn't sent to the owner of the server, this was sent to places like "abuse@uu.net" and "abuse@api-digital.com" etc, and I don't think those guys give two squirts about someone hot linking this fellas images. It was submitted as a "spamvertised site" and that's just bull.

And even if the guy manages to hack out a .htaccess to stop them linking this image, that doesn't remove the fact complaints were made and now I've gotta spend MY TIME explaining to people like "abuse@uu.net" that this was a WRONG complaint. I should bill spamcop for my lost time.

[dbbrock1]

I hate spam like anyone else, but that was taking it to far. Orgs like spews and spamcop should be shut down. Spews has made me loose so many potential customers because of not being able to answer their pre-sales questions.

[Stomp442]

Originally posted by dbbrock1
I hate spam like anyone else, but that was taking it to far. Orgs like spews and spamcop should be shut down. Spews has made me loose so many potential customers because of not being able to answer their pre-sales questions.

While Gary's situation may seem a bit absurd, yours is rather straightforward.

This may seem like a silly question, but why don't you just give newinternetextensions.com (aka globalinternic.com) the heave-ho and be done with it? It's not like their history doesn't warrant it. Did they tell you about the previous providers they were kicked off of for spamming, or that they were bringing a spews listing with them?

Although your AUP is fairly weak, you could still probably get them for a violation of section 7-3



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[dbbrock1]

Originally posted by Stomp442
While Gary's situation may seem a bit absurd, yours is rather straightforward.

This may seem like a silly question, but why don't you just give newinternetextensions.com (aka globalinternic.com) the heave-ho and be done with it? It's not like their history doesn't warrant it. Did they tell you about the previous providers they were kicked off of for spamming, or that they were bringing a spews listing with them?

Although your AUP is fairly weak, you could still probably get them for a violation of section 7-3



.

Well chit, I wasn't even aware they were spamming! Thank you for pointing that out for me.

[intraweb]

The whole SPAMCOP thing is a mess...

The website is a disaster, and the processes are unclear and confusing. The intent may be good, but the process and structure are a big problem - which is why I can't support them.

[timelord]

Originally posted by dbbrock1
I hate spam like anyone else, but that was taking it to far. Orgs like spews and spamcop should be shut down. Spews has made me loose so many potential customers because of not being able to answer their pre-sales questions.

To put Spamcop into the same catagory as Spews does it a very big disservice. They approach the same problem (spamming) from very different angles and Spamcop provides a very needed service.

I am constently surprized that mroe people on this forum aren't out pushing and advocating Spamcop more to help reduce the spam problem. That is -not- to say they should be supporting Spews which is known to have significant problems, but rather Spamcop.

[timelord]

Originally posted by Dixiesys
(I won't post the rest)

So this dude sends out some good old spam (not from my servers, not advertising a site on my servers, nor using an email address hosted on my servers) and he HOTLINKS to an image on a customers site (this arrow.gif) and WE GET THE SPAMCOP COMPLAINT (or more accurately the data center I'm in does).

This is absurd.

Actually, I am surprised. NONE of the spam complaints that Spamcop has done for me has -ever- included images. Ever.

One has to wonder if this was a real Spamcop generated complaint, or one the many forged messages that get sent out to make Spamcop look bad...

[Tina J]

Originally posted by allera
At least you're made aware of the situation. Getting a complaint doesn't do much as long as you fix the problem.

You know, you'd think that would hold true.

I used to promote SpamCop all the time. SpamCop is now crap.

They screwed us over...and then said 'sorry - we say right on our website that it is not recommended to use our list on production servers'

So we got blacklisted (for something that didn't happen), and had no recourse...because SpamCop wouldn't take the initiative to make it right.

--Tina

[Tina J]

Originally posted by timelord
To put Spamcop into the same catagory as Spews does it a very big disservice. They approach the same problem (spamming) from very different angles and Spamcop provides a very needed service.

I am constently surprized that mroe people on this forum aren't out pushing and advocating Spamcop more to help reduce the spam problem. That is -not- to say they should be supporting Spews which is known to have significant problems, but rather Spamcop.

Aparently, you haven't been bitten on the ass by SpamCop YET. Come back and post when they've managed to get one of your servers blacklisted...and you lose about a dozen customers over it.

--Tina

[Website Rob]

To those of you complaining about organizationa actually doing something about the Spam problem, please present us with your solution and explain why it is better.

If you cannot, then suck it up and deal with it. The current solutions are not perfect and do need work, but at least something is being done. And until something better comes along, I'm glad we at least have something.

Yes, I do use the Spam Databases and yes, I have lost Clients because of not receiving eMail from them because their IP was erronously on the list and yes, I will continue to use the Spam Databases. The whole Spam issue is, IMHO, more of an education issue than anythng else. Once people learn how & why an IP gets Blacklisted and how to find out if an IP is Blacklisted (as in, the IP they are using), they will start to see the importance of Hosters who provide IP's free of RBL.

As awareness grows, pressure will be put on everyone in the Hosting business to take active roles in eliminating the problem. I would love to read a post from a Spammer, moaning how much "they" lost from being shut down. How come we don't read any of those type posts. Hmmm....

[Tina J]

Originally posted by Website Rob
To those of you complaining about organizationa actually doing something about the Spam problem, please present us with your solution and explain why it is better.

My solution is for SpamCop to do NOTHING...untiil they fix their current system so that it actually works.

Its better because it doesn't blanketly sweep the good hosting companies, who actively fight spammers...in with those that look the other way. Doing it SpamCops way does nothing but harm. Eventually companies are going to realize that SpamCop SUCKS...and they will totally ignore their warnings. SpamCop is quicly on its way to becoming counter-productive.

--Tina

[Tina J]

Originally posted by Website Rob
To those of you complaining about organizationa actually doing something about the Spam problem, please present us with your solution and explain why it is better.

If you cannot, then suck it up and deal with it. The current solutions are not perfect and do need work, but at least something is being done. And until something better comes along, I'm glad we at least have something.

Yes, I do use the Spam Databases and yes, I have lost Clients because of not receiving eMail from them because their IP was erronously on the list and yes, I will continue to use the Spam Databases. The whole Spam issue is, IMHO, more of an education issue than anythng else. Once people learn how & why an IP gets Blacklisted and how to find out if an IP is Blacklisted (as in, the IP they are using), they will start to see the importance of Hosters who provide IP's free of RBL.

As awareness grows, pressure will be put on everyone in the Hosting business to take active roles in eliminating the problem. I would love to read a post from a Spammer, moaning how much "they" lost from being shut down. How come we don't read any of those type posts. Hmmm....

I just wanted to add...it sounds as if your whole point can be summed up with "Let SpamCop accuse whoever they want...they are bound to shut down some bad guys in the process".

Yeah, and psychics work the same way...with all the predictions they make...they always hit on a few that actually come true.

Your logic is totally flawed.

--Tina

[Website Rob]

I see you have a personal vendetta against SpamCop themselves. Did they hurt you that bad that cannot recover. Will your business fold because of something they did?

If your solution is to complain about what some are doing to solve a problem affecting so many in a negative way and you offer nothing to help, tis not my logic that is flawed.