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  1. #41
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    Spammer accept Moneybookers?

    Email harvester or some of spammers send emails to auto-generated email.
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    It would not wonder me from Moneybookers, they changed their name because of the bad reputation they had. There are horror stories about Moneybookers, specially when people tried to cash out their money.

    I guess this is why I also started to receive all type of spam messages on an email account I had on Moneybookers. So they are the spammers?

    I also have a very unique email adress with them. Its not unique only to them, but never received any spam on them and in the last 3 weeks I started to receive daily 2 or 3 spam messages on this address.

    Is it a coincidence? I don´t think so. I think they sold their database to spammers.

    This is one of them:
    For casino gaming at its luxurious best, look no further than ClubVIPCasino.

    A quick, smooth, and free download of our gaming software places at your disposal a whopping 777$ as 'Welcome Bonus'.

    Come over and enjoy more than 120 games with one of the most awesome collection of slots games to be found anywhere in the online gaming universe.

    We constantly think up new ways to help you with real cash and these ideas find their way into our Daily Promotions.

    -----------------------------------

    If this is true, they can be truly sued for this because they manage financial and very private information from users, to verify the account I had to send them a copy of a bill, passport and verify the account with a CC. Now imagine if they are selling my email address what stops them from selling the rest of the information they have on the account for you?

  3. #43

    Angry

    I have just signed up to webhostingtalk to confirm this issue. I also created a dedicated e-mail-adress for Moneybookers (Skrill) with one of my own domain names which has never been used on any other service or website ([email protected]). I used my moneybookers-Account for a few transactions with a domain registrar and with a webdesigner.

    Since January 2012, I constantly recieve personalized casino-spam in english and in my mother tongue (German) at this e-mail-adress. I recieved 7 emails with my first and last name in the subject, mostly welcome bonuses for online casinos.

    Here are some example subjects:

    - Claim 1000 Euro in the next 24 hours
    - Hallo XXXX XXXX. Melden Sie sich gleich im Spin Palace Casino an, erhalten Sie Ihren 1.000 Euro Willkommensbonus!
    - 2.500 um damit 60 Minuten gratis zu spielen.
    - Get Free 1000 EURO to Play!
    - 1000 EURO Welcome Bonus!

    Sender E-Mail-Adresses:

    rewards@ cazinoplacesbest.info
    rewards@ poolcazinoplace.info
    CasinoBonus@ luckyyouare.eu
    True_Play@ trueplay.in
    promotions@ cazinobestcoins.info
    bonus@ cazinowinnerswin.info
    True_Casino@ truecasino.in

    Sender IP-Adresses:

    aoyama.nurs.or.jp (HELO jh4tjwgw.nurs.or.jp) (61.195.154.1)
    ocl59.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (HELO mail.kom-kas.pl) (95.51.63.59)
    unknown (HELO vserver.antagus.de) (89.200.172.211)
    211-147-35-200.serverpronto.com (HELO PTY11266a.serverpronto.com) (200.35.147.211)
    host2.digitalbio.ca (67.225.178.90)
    www1204.sakura.ne.jp (219.94.162.14)
    madrone.joyent.us (8.12.36.124)

    I was not able to create a complaint in their system as the contact form just reloaded when I sent the message and nothing more happened. I have tried that twice so far.

    In my opinion that's an unbelievable insolence what is happening there. No matter if they got hacked or if they sold their customers data to spammers (which I think is the more probable case as the problem has been reported in the years before) - I IMMEDIATELY deleted my monebookes (Skrill) account and can only WARN EVERYONE out there - DO NOT use their services!
    Last edited by Sa5cha; 02-09-2012 at 04:55 PM. Reason: typo

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    It's quite funny as I have never received any spam of some sort from a casino or anythnig related whith my MB dedicated email..

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    Update

    As an update on that issue: I was able to create a complaint now and have received a statement from moneybookers. In summary, they said that they don't sell e-mail-adresses to third parties and only send them to the recipients of payments.

    If that is true, it would be very easy to determine which company sold my e-mail-adress or got hacked. I only sent money to two companys. So, let's compare if there is any mutuality.

    The two companys I dealt with were:

    - internet.bs
    - elegantthemes.com


    It would be interesting if someone could confirm or deny that he also dealt with one of them or with both. Let's check if moneybookers' statement could be correct

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    They are simply lying about that. It's not the third party selling the addresses. I sent only one payment, to my personal friend. Next day, I started receiving casino spam with my full name and lastname in it.

    Besides, it is not random spam. It is specifically casino spam, happening everyone in this thread. It is no coincidence or third party.
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  7. #47

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    Hello Guys

    I've been plagued by "casino" spam for the last few months, and I began to suspect that it was linked to my Moneybookers account. I found this thread via Google search, so I decided to sign up and add a couple of data points.

    I have a webmail account provided by my mobile phone operator, which is only ever used for contact with financial institutions (three in total, including Moneybookers). My account with the telco allows me to set a trigger for an instant SMS notification of incoming email, a feature that I enabled to ensure that I would be alerted to any unusual activity on my account(s).

    Shortly after opening my Moneybookers account, I started to receive promotional newsletters and emails from them, despite having opted out of such communications. When I complained to customer services, they tried to dissuade me from refusing their promotional messages(!), but I insisted that they comply.

    The "casino" spam often arrives in the middle of the night (Europe), and the consequent SMS alert has disturbed by sleep on many occasions. Despite spending some time writing various filters to auto-delete any email with the relevant keywords, these messages are still getting through (new permutations of words, all on the same theme).

    I'm at the point of cancelling my Moneybookers account, as it seems that they are responsible. However, it appears that I may have to change my mobile phone account also, as the associated email address is now out there "in the wild".

    Very frustrating, and totally unprofessional conduct by a financial institution.

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    I posted the following on Jan. 17:

    Quote Originally Posted by writespeak View Post
    I changed my email address with them a week ago, to another one that's used only for moneybookers. The new address hasn't received spam yet, but the old address is now getting spam in French. I didn't receive French spam at that address until after I removed that address from my moneybookers account.
    I've just checked my spam folder, and spam is still being sent to the original address I used only for moneybookers. The folder holds only the last 30 days of spam. There are 8 spam messages, all about casinos, and 7 of the 8 are in French.

    I have received no spam via the new address I set up for moneybookers in January.

    Reading the responses to this thread, I've wondered if moneybookers was hacked at some point and they won't admit it. It would explain what's happening if only those who had an account at a certain time received spam. But that doesn't look like the pattern.
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    Another update guys.

    I just got a new spam email from [email protected]

    Just now.

    And it contained my full name and lastname + another lastname nobody usually knows. Which I never use and only is listed on financial accounts like PayPal, etc, and of course Moneybookers.

    So nobody can know this lastname except it's from the bank or one financial institution.

    And there you got it, send to my dedicated Moneybookers email address.

    The spam contained a link to:
    http://lzccmxfafp.casinotosucceed.info

    This is rather scary? Was Scrill/Moneybookers then hacked? There are only 2 situations here and possible cases. They sold the email and personal info of their customers or they were hacked which is even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibb View Post
    And it contained my full name and lastname + another lastname nobody usually knows. Which I never use and only is listed on financial accounts like PayPal, etc, and of course Moneybookers.

    So nobody can know this lastname except it's from the bank or one financial institution.

    And there you got it, send to my dedicated Moneybookers email address.
    When did you create your moneybookers account?

    I created mine in 2006, but I don't know when I started receiving spam. But I do know that I started receiving spam in French after I changed the email address from the first address I had only for moneybookers. I'm guessing that someone looked at my account after I changed the address, saw that I was in Canada when I set up that account, and decided to send spam in the other of Canada's 2 official languages.

    If moneybookers had been hacked once, the hacker wouldn't have known that I changed my email address. Unless he still had access to the moneybookers database, that is. Or possibly it was just coincidence that I started receiving spam in French right after removing that address from my moneybookers account.
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    Am I the only person not getting spam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by n!ghtmare View Post
    Am I the only person not getting spam?
    Just change your email address so that Spambookers notice you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harzem View Post
    Just change your email address so that Spambookers notice you
    To clarify -- what what makes it scarier -- the spam that started coming in French after I changed my moneybookers email address came to my old address. The one that I'd removed from my moneybookers account, which I'd used only for moneybookers. I still haven't received spam via the address I added to my moneybookers account in January.

    But yeah, apparently my changing my account address got the spammer to notice my account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by writespeak View Post
    To clarify -- what what makes it scarier -- the spam that started coming in French after I changed my moneybookers email address came to my old address. The one that I'd removed from my moneybookers account, which I'd used only for moneybookers. I still haven't received spam via the address I added to my moneybookers account in January.

    But yeah, apparently my changing my account address got the spammer to notice my account.
    Yes another came now advertising another domain but same Casinos
    [email protected]

    http://ztrbthbzak.casino-to-achieve.info

    You mentioned yours is in French?

    Well, my account with them was also set to another language which is NOT english and guess what? The spam is also localized in that language. They know my full name and language of the country I was years back when I signed up with them.

    We can pretty much conclude they come from the same sources.

    I will try change my Scrill email to one I never ever use. Lets see them if the Spam is redirected there.

    You asked when I created my account, years back, I don´t know for sure but it would be before sometime also around 2006. I never use them. And only received a couple of payments there in years.
    Last edited by nibb; 03-05-2012 at 08:52 PM.

  15. #55
    A sa5cha i also have just signed up to webhostingtalk to confirm this issue:

    Moneybookers registration date: july 2011

    Transactions: none (because of problems with my german adress, which aren`t corrected yet)

    Language preference at skrill: german

    As many others i also created a unique email address for moneybookers / skrill. To the other email aliases of the same mail account (gmx) there`s almost no spam sent. This unique email adress contains my first name, while some of the spam i receive adresses me like "Hello first name / last name, ... ". The spam i daily receive is in german and english.

    Now i will change my email address and see what happens.

  16. #56
    According to international laws and agreements regarding payment operators NO personal data or information should be disclosed. There are exceptions in partnerships cases (between payment operators, stores, banks etc.), but casino and gambling are not permitted.
    They might have a security breach, otherwise... their legal advisers are lame. In any case, no matter what the ToS is saying, they can be easily blacklisted by other payment operators refusing transactions with them.

    So, ToS migh be applicable to you, as users, but are not applicable over international standards between payment operators such as visa, mastercard, paypal or any legit bank.

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    Hello,

    It seems that they begin actively use parthenrship with many companies (include gambling for sure). I just could see now in account any gaming and bet related banners. Therefore this spam mostly just indicate bad practice of telemarketing. Because we all (perhaps) agreed to receive announce which come directly from Skrill but i am not sure about any third party which could bing to my and Skrill agreement at least without my permisssion. BTW we do not yet receive any casino spam (if i not wrong account at moneybookers have been registered about 10 years ago and we have not any issue with them).
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    thank god i don't use moneybookers, they seems amateurish for me.

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    The casino spam you get after you sign up with Moneybookers does not appear to be from actual casino sites. It looks a lot more like affiliate/referral spam. At least based on the spam I get on my Moneybookers emails.

    This, if true, would mean that Moneybookers (Skrill) are not sharing information with gambling companies (which tend to be licensed and accountable) but instead to private individuals that act as affiliates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    The casino spam you get after you sign up with Moneybookers does not appear to be from actual casino sites. It looks a lot more like affiliate/referral spam. At least based on the spam I get on my Moneybookers emails.

    This, if true, would mean that Moneybookers (Skrill) are not sharing information with gambling companies (which tend to be licensed and accountable) but instead to private individuals that act as affiliates.
    companies or individuals sharing of private clients information is illegal and against the law regarless of what they write in there tos ,aup or privacy policy also why are you trying to defend an obvious spammer (or spamfriendly company)? shame on you !.They are getting that mail address somewhere no need to justify the behavior of Skrill / moneybookers here.

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    I don't think he is defending at all, but just pointing out how Moneybookers have avoided the legal problem of working directly with casino websites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpanellover View Post
    companies or individuals sharing of private clients information is illegal and against the law regarless of what they write in there tos ,aup or privacy policy also why are you trying to defend an obvious spammer (or spamfriendly company)? shame on you !.They are getting that mail address somewhere no need to justify the behavior of Skrill / moneybookers here.
    You clearly did not understand what I wrote, as I am agreeing with you. Maybe I could have made myself more clear by using simpler wording.

    My point is that - if true - instead of supplying the information to companies, they are doing it to private individuals. An online casino, if licensed and incorporated, which is getting email addresses through shady means can typically be held accountable more easily than a private person.

  23. #63
    I registerd to moneybookers on 4th March, 2012.
    Started to receive spam on 16th March, few emails per day, just as it is described in previous posts.
    I have not made ANY transfers at all yet.
    So, it could not be that my e-mail address has been given to those I paid.
    Moneybookers gave it away.



    longer story, but nothing important below:

    I was able to save from spam this e-mail address for years. Big mistake to give this e-mail address to moneybookers, which looked like a serious organization as it handles money.

    I'm going to close my account straight away, even if it does not help.

    And at the beginning I couldn't understand where my e-mail address was sold. First I was suspecting that someone who has my email adress in his/her address book was victim to some fraud (you know, we will access your contacts, click "allow"), but today I received e-mail from moneybookers themselves which was marked as a spam. That got me suspicious and so I found this thread.

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    Strange, I never got spammed by moneybookers... I guess they filter clients by country. Very bad practice for online payment procesor.
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    Guys its 100% confirmed its Skrill.

    Remember I changed my email after my last posts here on my Moneybookers / Scrill account?

    Guess what?

    I just got another email, except this one its officially from Scrill advertising a PrePaid card. The email is from them. Except that....

    Here comes the nice thing.

    Its also send exactly like the Casino Spams, "Hello MY NAME, LAST NAME, OTHER LASTNAME ONLY SCRILLS KNOWS.. And in the language I had my Scrill account AND to add to this. It was not send to my current Scrill email address, remember I changed it? It was send to the old one, the same one the Casino Spam still are hitting.

    This is just undeniable. Scrill sold our personal data to Casino Spammers. I wonder what else they gave away? The copy of uploaded scanned passport? Maybe my CC details I had on their account.

    Honestly. I think they got hacked, and they just thought nobody would noticed it. No wonder they changed their name from Moneybookers to Scrill.

    This may be interesting:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...d-emptied.html
    Last edited by nibb; 03-27-2012 at 08:18 AM.

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    Anyone have a proof?

    Eg: email header or site link which is listed in moneybookers site..
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    offcource it's them now what can be done to screw them so hard they can't sit on there ass for 80 years ?

  28. #68
    Although we don't have MB accounts we do get similar spam emails with all the aforementioned characteristics. I was able to get rid of most of these by doing few things.

    You could post the headers and emails to various DSBLs and related services
    or
    1. Retire the temp mail accounts
    2. Configure the mail server to immediately reject email on those accounts or in general on non-existing accounts (don't bounce it).

    Item-2 is quite important because the majority of spam mail originating IPs have compromised systems behind. By immediately rejecting the mail and not queuing it or deleting it, notifications are stored on the compromised server/system and in several cases the owner is notified immediately that something is wrong.

    my 2cents on it.

  29. #69
    Hello everyone,

    New user here - created account to share this:

    Similarly to the other reports in this thread, I have also received Casino-related spam to the mail address I provided to Skrill.

    Facts and observations:

    * Registered my Skrill account on 2010-06-18 (they were called Moneybookers back then).
    * I have only made a single payment using my Skrill account (on the same day as I created it); added funds to my flattr.com account.
    * The mail address I registered my account using was in the form: [email protected] . This exact mail address has never been used for anything but signing up for my Skrill account.
    * At signup, Skrill asks for your 'Country of residence'. I selected 'Denmark'.

    * In January 2012 - or possibly earlier - my Skrill mail address began receiving spam.
    * Not just a few; in march 2012 alone, the address received 50 spam mails.
    * The spam mails are in (badly translated) danish - and some are in english.
    * All of the spam mails includes my full name (and Skrill are the only ones who have gotten it together with the exact mail address, as mentioned previously).

    So far everything indicates that my personal details - name, nationality, mail address - that I gave to Skrill, went to other uses than their payment services.

    Here's some speculation regarding the spam - either:
    * Skrill are using my information to send me spam.
    * Skrill handed over my information to a 3rd party.
    * Skrill had a data compromise/it security compromise.

    Regardless what actually happened, I don't trust them to handle my information or money after this experience, and have now closed my account.

    I can only recommend that everyone who dosen't like their personal information getting leaked stay away from Skrill.

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    hi,

    Look here

    Quote Originally Posted by Skrill
    We may disclose your personal information to any member of our group, which means our subsidiaries, our ultimate holding company and its subsidiaries who are based in different countries within the EEA and in the USA. This may be necessary in order to, among other things, fulfil your request, process your payment details, provide support services and monitor fraudulent activities.
    Illegal here you need signed permission todo this....


    • a prospective buyer of our business or a buyer of a substantial number of the shares in our business,
    • the police, other lawful enforcement body, regulatory body or court if we are under a duty to disclose or share your personal data , or to protect the rights, property, or safety of ourselves or our group companies, our customers, or others,
    • third parties where you have expressed an interested in receiving information about their goods and services, and
    • third parties who referred you to us initially and to whom we owe a commission payment as a result of the referral. Where the commission payment is based on transaction volumes, numbers or types of transactions, we may share that information with that third party, but we will not disclose the full details of each of your transactions without your further written consent.

    only point #2 is true the rest is utter ******** and point #3 would require opt in to be legal.We can all go here and submit a complaint against Skrill

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    I'd just like to chime in here.

    We have also just received our first casino related spam to our dedicated Moneybookers email address.

    I signed up with Moneybookers on their site about 2 weeks ago (and posted my experience with their signup process here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1152893 ). Moneybookers rejected my business with them yesterday (apparently they no longer will accept web hosts? I don't know).

    Just now, I received this email:

    Code:
    Return-path: <[email protected]>
    Envelope-to: moneybookers@<removed>
    Delivery-date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:45:08 -0500
    Received: from [92.83.38.126] (port=18281 helo=adgood-data.com)
    	by cpanel.s1.jax.rhnx.net with smtp (Exim 4.77)
    	(envelope-from <[email protected]>)
    	id 1SSaEQ-0001v8-D6
    	for moneybookers@<removed>; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:45:08 -0500
    Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:45:00 +0200
    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
    From: Dice Stars <[email protected]>
    To: <moneybookers@<removed>>
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=8.2
    X-Spam-Score: 82
    X-Spam-Bar: ++++++++
    X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "cpanel.s1.jax.rhnx.net", has
     identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original message
     has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label
     similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
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     Content preview:  The Dice Stars is a great place to play casino games. With
        a welcome bonus of 300% on offer for new players this is the place to rack
        up some quick cash. Deposit 100 EUR/USD and get 300 EUR/USD totally free!
        [...] 
     
     Content analysis details:   (8.2 points, 5.0 required)
     
      pts rule name              description
     ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
      1.4 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT   RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT
                                 [92.83.38.126 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org]
      1.6 URIBL_WS_SURBL         Contains an URL listed in the WS SURBL blocklist
                                 [URIs: dicestarsclub.net]
      1.2 URIBL_JP_SURBL         Contains an URL listed in the JP SURBL blocklist
                                 [URIs: dicestarsclub.net]
      1.7 URIBL_DBL_SPAM         Contains an URL listed in the DBL blocklist
                                 [URIs: dicestarsclub.net]
      0.6 HS_INDEX_PARAM         URI: Link contains a common tracker pattern.
      0.8 BAYES_50               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%
                                 [score: 0.4999]
      0.8 RDNS_NONE              Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS
    X-Spam-Flag: YES
    Subject: ***SPAM*** Start winning big with our generous welcome bonus at Dice Stars Casino!
    
    The Dice Stars is a great place to play casino games.
    
    With a welcome bonus of 300=25 on offer for new players this is the place=
     to rack up some quick cash.
    
    Deposit 100 EUR/USD and get 300 EUR/USD totally free!
    
    Start playing today to win the big bucks.
    
    http://www.dicestarsclub.net/?<removed>

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    There are two scenarios I can think of where Moneybrokers is not lying:

    1) They did not "sell" your information to anyone, they simply gave the information away for free.

    2) They have been breached and don't even know it.
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    Wow, this needs to be addressed by Skrill, someone link them this thread.
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    Just want to join, too.

    I have a separate e-mail just for Skrill (I changed to this mail about 3 weeks ago and haven't used Skrill itself for ages) and today I got some casino spam, too.

    cazinoplacez.in is the sender.

    Guess I have to delete my account and trash the mail-address.

  35. #75
    Not sure on the etiquette in regards to posting in old threads vs creating a new one. Apologies if this should reside in a new thread....

    I was curious if Skrill.com/Moneybookers has responded to these allegations with any credible explanation? Was considering Skrill for a client, but after reading this tread (and others) and the lack of involvement on Skrill's part to get to the bottom of this, leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

    Again not sure on whether external links are accepted, so I will refrain from posting, other than to recommend searching for "Skrill registration triggered casino spam" & "PokerStrategy" on your preferred engine.... Apparently one of the administrators received responses from Skrill/Moneybookers, though their explanation seemed more fluff & "point the other way" than any form of apology.

  36. #76
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    Outside of this issue, Skrill is simply a pain. We have stopped offering them as a payment method. They are the most complicated payment processor I have ever had to deal with. Once they DEMANDED documentation as to who owns what percentages of our private company, that was the end.
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  37. #77
    After reading all this information I have doubts that I need an account with them. Thank you for raising this issue.

  38. #78

    my MB experience

    Here's another data point for Moneybookers:
    I also used a semi-dedicated e-mail address (minecraft@*****.com), which originally recieved e-mails from only minecraft.net. At this point, I received zero spam to this e-mail address.

    I have decided to buy my friend a licence for minecraft - of which their credit card processer was Moneybookers.
    I've used the above e-mail address to register for MB - this was sometime back in 2011.

    After registering, I have noticed that I have been receiving casino spam e-mails to that e-mail address, containing my very unique asian first and last name.

    I immediately closed my MB account, however, I still receive at least two casino spams each day, to my now dedicated MB spam e-mail address. (I have changed to minecraft e-mail address to minecraft2@*****.com, which I receive zero spam.)

    Minecraft IS a game, which may explain why I am receiving casino spam - which I think was mentioned as one of the conditions as receiving such spam.

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