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Old 11-21-2011, 03:15 PM
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Anonymous Offshore Web-hosting Needs , To Protect Privacy And Freedom Of Speech


Hi all,

I am designing a website for one of our client, who is going to host a Anti-Paid media content & will expose the corrupt media practice.

And to host such website, client is asking me for Anonymous Offshore Web-hosting to protect their Identity, Free Speech and legal mess.

Website model : Client will post the article with max 20% content with back-link under some specific tags like "Propaganda News" and where user can write their own comments.

I did my own research and comes up with down below list of Anonymous Offshore Web-hosting services:

http://www.altushost.com/ Location: Netherlands / Sweden

http://underhost.com/ Location: Netherlands / China / Russia

http://knownsrv.com/ Location: Netherlands / Germany

http://www.panamaserver.com/ Location: Panama

http://www.offshoreracks.com/ Location: Panama

http://prq.se/ Location : Sweden

Now i need your help to suggest me which one is best from your own personal experiences. And if you know any other better solution please let me know.

Note: If you own or reseller such service please specifies it while suggesting a better solution.



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Old 11-21-2011, 03:28 PM
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http://www.altushost.com/ bad reviews everywhere

http://underhost.com/ looks like a reseller, also "China" and "Freedom Of Speech" don't go together + you need ICP license to host in China

http://knownsrv.com/ maybe. lots of warez/hacking boards hosted with them

Although any host should be fine as long as your content is legal? If you want freedom of speech go for USA hosting

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:06 PM
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Personally, I think its important to go over with your client that offshore hosting, in most cases is used by people who are looking to host illegal websites. This in turn leads the those types of servers being constantly abused or targeted for DDOS attackes, which leads to poor service.

From what I can tell, I dont think your client would have any trouble hosting that type of website in the USA/Canada/UK..ect (more reputable datacenters). Also, if you are worried about the web host shutting you down, have you thought about setting up a dedicated solution so you have control of the full server?

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:08 PM
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http://www.altushost.com/ bad reviews everywhere

http://underhost.com/ looks like a reseller, also "China" and "Freedom Of Speech" don't go together + you need ICP license to host in China

http://knownsrv.com/ maybe. lots of warez/hacking boards hosted with them

Although any host should be fine as long as your content is legal? If you want freedom of speech go for USA hosting
Freedom of speech go for USA hosting (Sorry but LOLZ)their is no such thing left in U.S.

As i posted above client is also looking for protection against copyright arm twisting as site will cause panic for Corrupt News Media. (Ever one knows how U.S. media Ignoring Ron Paul)

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:22 PM
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If you want freedom of speech there is no other place like the United States.

I like this phrase "Anti-Paid media content" ... Sorry but no legit host will allow that.

Edit ... to let you know freedom of speech does not allow you to give away digital items for free ... that is plain out stealing.

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:30 PM
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Personally, I think its important to go over with your client that offshore hosting, in most cases is used by people who are looking to host illegal websites. This in turn leads the those types of servers being constantly abused or targeted for DDOS attackes, which leads to poor service.

From what I can tell, I dont think your client would have any trouble hosting that type of website in the USA/Canada/UK..ect (more reputable datacenters). Also, if you are worried about the web host shutting you down, have you thought about setting up a dedicated solution so you have control of the full server?
Thanks for your valuable information, but as much i know Big media houses have their own legal team who can go to any extent to shut my client site as it will hurt their business and brand.

And they could send a DMCA notice (as my client will republish the news article under fair use) just to get my client physical contact address information.

And if i host their website on U.S./Canada server their are high chances they will be able to shutdown client website as legal system always backs big corporations & media houses. And my client can't afford attorney.

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:33 PM
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Just saw this latest news on Protect-IP Act...

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/11/p...-internet.html

Things are getting scary

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:37 PM
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Unless your website is specifically targeting or making threats against something/somewhere else, why not host in the United States?

There is nothing illegal about freedom of speech as long it doesn't cross the line into direct threats.

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Old 11-21-2011, 04:46 PM
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For political and protection from libel/slander laws, the US is still the best (if you are libeling/slandering public figures, that is). There is no hate speech legislation in the US, as there is in most EU countries (and in Canada).

Offshore hosts are usually for pirated material and, in some cases, pornography that runs afoul of "community standards" in the US. For instance, if you are wanting to have images of teens over 15 but under 18 and they are erotic in nature, you will run into trouble in the US.

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Old 11-21-2011, 05:01 PM
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Thanks for your valuable information, but as much i know Big media houses have their own legal team who can go to any extent to shut my client site as it will hurt their business and brand.

And they could send a DMCA notice (as my client will republish the news article under fair use) just to get my client physical contact address information.

And if i host their website on U.S./Canada server their are high chances they will be able to shutdown client website as legal system always backs big corporations & media houses. And my client can't afford attorney.
Well im not a lawyer, so I don't want to give you bad advice that would end up resulting in your clients site getting shut down. I do know that the climate for such sites is becoming more and more dangerous as politicians are trying to pass laws which will censor what people can and can not say on the internet. I still think that is a few years away though and it wont happen without a large amount of people going down without a fight (but its still a possibility). I guess your best bet it to find an offshore web-host that is not known for hosting questionable material (which might be tough).

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Old 11-21-2011, 05:12 PM
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Offshore hosts are usually for pirated material and, in some cases, pornography that runs afoul of "community standards" in the US. For instance, if you are wanting to have images of teens over 15 but under 18 and they are erotic in nature, you will run into trouble in the US.
Whoa, that's a broad brush you're painting with there Picasso!

Most hosting providers - offshore or onshore - prohibit financial scams, copyright infringement, botnets, porn, spam, proxies and lots more.

A lot of people decide to use hosting outside the USA, Canada or EU for other reasons, such as:

- personal privacy
- data protection
- freedom of speech
- tax advantages
- avoiding "frivolous" legal claims

There might be some bad apples out there, but most hosting providers are running a pretty tight ship. Often times, the quality of the hosting is just as important as the legal treatment of the country in which you are hosting.

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Old 11-21-2011, 05:20 PM
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Whoa, that's a broad brush you're painting with there Picasso!

Most hosting providers - offshore or onshore - prohibit financial scams, copyright infringement, botnets, porn, spam, proxies and lots more.

A lot of people decide to use hosting outside the USA, Canada or EU for other reasons, such as:

- personal privacy
- data protection
- freedom of speech
- tax advantages
- avoiding "frivolous" legal claims

There might be some bad apples out there, but most hosting providers are running a pretty tight ship. Often times, the quality of the hosting is just as important as the legal treatment of the country in which you are hosting.

- Richard
More like the tree is full of bad apples, but you might be able to find some good ones. It really all comes down to the laws which are enforced in that particular country. Most "offshore" hosts operate out of countries where pirating, pornography are not strictly enforced or enforced at all.

Looking for dependable offshore hosting is somewhat of a catch 22 in my opinion. Not saying its impossible to find reliable "offshore" hosting, but its definitely not the norm.

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Old 11-21-2011, 05:28 PM
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More like the tree is full of bad apples, but you might be able to find some good ones. It really all comes down to the laws which are enforced in that particular country. Most "offshore" hosts operate out of countries where pirating, pornography are not strictly enforced or enforced at all.

Looking for dependable offshore hosting is somewhat of a catch 22 in my opinion. Not saying its impossible to find reliable "offshore" hosting, but its definitely not the norm.
Yes, you are right, looking at the local laws is a very important consideration.

From experience I can say that having e-commerce regulations in place is helpful both from a "know your rights" and a "protection" standpoint. Some jurisdictions have e-commerce legislation to further enhance hosting in those countries, while other countries have no legislation and very loose common laws about everything else.

- Richard

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Old 11-21-2011, 05:34 PM
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The U.S. is not the only place to host a website. The biggest issue with hosting your site internationally is not reliability, but communication. If you're hosting your site in another country, yes you want to ensure the company is reliable, but more so you want to ensure you can communicate with them.

So long as you do your research, looking up reviews, communicating with prospective companies, you'll be fine. It sets a bad precedence that the people condemning international hosting are all American. Let's all try to please supress our natural isolationist tendencies.

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Old 11-22-2011, 05:12 AM
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The U.S. is not the only place to host a website. The biggest issue with hosting your site internationally is not reliability, but communication. If you're hosting your site in another country, yes you want to ensure the company is reliable, but more so you want to ensure you can communicate with them.

So long as you do your research, looking up reviews, communicating with prospective companies, you'll be fine. It sets a bad precedence that the people condemning international hosting are all American. Let's all try to please supress our natural isolationist tendencies.
Thanks for sharing your views, but i am doing exactly what you said above.

But now i need specific information like which one is reliable Anonymous Offshore(Non-US)Web-hosting which can protect my client Privacy,Copyright Arm twisting (DMCA notice just to know Identity)Freedom of speech and Hate speech against corrupt News channels & print media.

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