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[nokia3310]

I have noticed that webhosts setup their plans and pricing in such a way to have bottlenecks all the time. They do this on purpose and i really just don't know when we will have a very honest and less greedy webhost that will just offer everything without any bottleneck.

For example you see webhosts offer servers such that there is one or two things that makes it fall off short from being the server that got everything. They either do this or make sure the most expensive is the one that will come close.

To all webhosts here why do you guys do this and seriously can you just look beyond maximum profit sometimes and just offer the best because that is actually what will bring you maximum profit that you don't know about.

I can give examples and i am sure so many people will support what i am saying.

[Orien]

Originally Posted by nokia3310

I can give examples and i am sure so many people will support what i am saying.

Examples would be good.

[net]

I don't know what you are talking about.

Shoot us some example instead.

[HostGamma]

Maybe he would like unlimited everything?

[nokia3310]

Originally Posted by Orien

Examples would be good.

Giving examples will be so long since i will almost have to list all server plans.

Basically i am sure you know how webhosts offer 100TB when infact they have some old SATA drives for you. Or some webhosts give you 1Gbps port with some 4GB DDR2 RAM or low grade processor. Some mostly in the US will offer very powerful servers (even at freaking expensive prices) and offer them at 10Mbps. Some will claim 100Mbps port but will offer you some 2TB a month. It is just ridiculous what the hell is going on with most webhosts. What exactly is the problem? I guess money money money all day everyday huh?

It is rare to find a webhost that offer this kind of specs.
It is either they rack things up with it and blow up the price or offer the combination at the highest and most expensive level.

Intel Quad Core Xeon
4 x 3Ghz
8-16GB DDR3 ECC
2x 300GB SSD
10TB @ 1Gbps

[Grumps]

Well, each parts cost them more money. So it's not about giving you a bottleneck, but giving you choices on what to get depending on your needs.

For example, I just ordered a dual x5650, monster cpus... tons of ram and HD but it only comes with 3TB of bandwidth. And that's perfectly fine for me. I don't need the bandwidth on that specific server. So, what would be the point in securing more bandwidth which costs me and the host more money?

A download server that gets high hits can very well push out 1 gbps even with few storage or few ram and low cpu. Just plain reading of a file that's already cached on ram doesn't exactly cost any resource except bandwidth. If you want the example spec you requested, no one is going to hestiate to give it to you, it simply costs more because you asked for more. That's all there's to it (in my opinion at least, and I'm no host). Not everyone needs the jack of all trades server.

PS. that spec looks pretty common to me tbh right out of the box... Sounds like a typical sandy bridge posting I see most often in offers forum except for the SSDs (which are quite big SSDs might I add...)

[nokia3310]

Originally Posted by Grumps

Well, each parts cost them more money. So it's not about giving you a bottleneck, but giving you choices on what to get depending on your needs.

For example, I just ordered a dual x5650, monster cpus... tons of ram and HD but it only comes with 3TB of bandwidth. And that's perfectly fine for me. I don't need the bandwidth on that specific server. So, what would be the point in securing more bandwidth which costs me and the host more money?

A download server that gets high hits can very well push out 1 gbps even with few storage or few ram and low cpu. Just plain reading of a file that's already cached on ram doesn't exactly cost any resource except bandwidth. If you want the example spec you requested, no one is going to hestiate to give it to you, it simply costs more because you asked for me. That's all there's to it (in my opinion at least, and I'm no host). Not everyone needs the jack of all trades server.

PS. that spec looks pretty common to me tbh right out of the box... Sounds like a typical sandy bridge posting I see most often in offers forum except for the SSDs (which are quite big SSDs might I add...)

That server is not jack of all trades.
As you said you needed that server of yours without much bandwidth just like i want just SSD with 1Gbps port with moderate cpu and RAM. Nothing jack of all trade about that. This is 2011 that kind of server shouldn't be out of this world but unfortunately it is.

They either offer you more RAM and add more so they can bump the price up. They just don't want to offer the server that will use up it's resources pretty well for an affordable price. They love to offer unnecessarily monster server that barely get used up at all for very very expensive so most people end up not having enough of what they need because they have no money or they over pay so much because of one thing they wanted. It is just a mess.

[nokia3310]

Originally Posted by Grumps

PS. that spec looks pretty common to me tbh right out of the box... Sounds like a typical sandy bridge posting I see most often in offers forum except for the SSDs (which are quite big SSDs might I add...)

To be honest OVH http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/eg_ssd_max.xml is the only webhost i have seen with such specs which i really commend them for but they have it a little blotted up for 150 EURO but i want just that spec for a maxed out 100 EURO budget. To be sincere they are the only one near what i want. No one else. HETZNER is playing the same stupid game of "you will have to pay so much more to get what you just want" baloney

[JAMLayer]

"you will have to pay so much more to get what you just want"

Well thats life... gee honestly not sure where your going with this.

Why can't you "just" pay a little more to get exactly what you want.

[Grumps]

2x 300GB SSDs for 100euro max?
Lets be realistic here. 300GB (non enterprise -- since I'm pretty sure OVH's isn't enterprise ssd) is around $500~600 each. I'm sure they want to get their roi before they die of old age... So, they'll add like $30~60/mo for each. That's at least $60~120 on drives alone. How do you expect to get the whole system for 100euros or less? Now it sounds to me like you're wanting unrealistic prices and calling others with "blotted up" prices. Others aren't the pricy one, OVH is the cheapest one -- cheapest in the world!

[HostXNow]

With the amount of providers they are I'm sure you'll be able to find the exact setup you're after.

[Qirus]

Originally Posted by nokia3310

Basically i am sure you know how webhosts offer 100TB when infact they have some old SATA drives for you. Or some webhosts give you 1Gbps port with some 4GB DDR2 RAM or low grade processor.

We have a few servers, single processor, 8 GB ram, a simple SATA drive doing 600-1000 Mbit 24/7. Works fine.

[V7Host]

Originally Posted by nokia3310

Giving examples will be so long since i will almost have to list all server plans.

Basically i am sure you know how webhosts offer 100TB when infact they have some old SATA drives for you. Or some webhosts give you 1Gbps port with some 4GB DDR2 RAM or low grade processor. Some mostly in the US will offer very powerful servers (even at freaking expensive prices) and offer them at 10Mbps. Some will claim 100Mbps port but will offer you some 2TB a month. It is just ridiculous what the hell is going on with most webhosts. What exactly is the problem? I guess money money money all day everyday huh?

It is rare to find a webhost that offer this kind of specs.
It is either they rack things up with it and blow up the price or offer the combination at the highest and most expensive level.

Intel Quad Core Xeon
4 x 3Ghz
8-16GB DDR3 ECC
2x 300GB SSD
10TB @ 1Gbps

That is why it is up to you to do your research and find the provider perfect for you.

If you ask the right sales questions you can find out all the so called "bottlenecks" before you sign up.

Plenty of providers out there so I'm sure there is one that fits your needs.

[[JSH]John]

If you really need something custom, then why not have it built for you? There are many server builders that will do this at a cost.

[Qirus]

Originally Posted by [JSH]John

If you really need something custom, then why not have it built for you? There are many server builders that will do this at a cost.

That's the problem. TS wants it for free