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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by NeonRider View Post
    The Whois was not changed; it looked that it was changing, but then most of it was mysteriously reverted by the criminals and now my name and address still appears on the Whois.
    You mean it still shows your details in the registrar's WHOIS? Or some third party's outside the registrar's own?

  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by NeonRider View Post
    1)

    I go to www.domaintools.com and www.who.is (the latter has more recent info displayed) and check the offending domain's data. It does not show any "ON HOLD" status anywhere.
    First and foremost, don't use third party services, if it is a com or net, get the proper domain status DIRECT from the registry, in this case : http://www.verisigninc.com/en_US/pro...is/index.xhtml

    This wont give you the "contact details, you can use a third party for that or simply use (if you use linux / mac) jwhois at a command prompt.

    You're not talking to a clueless novice.
    I do not think anyone said you were, but, going on and on about it, is not getting you anyway and as one of the other posters mentioned, getting you more and more worked up/frustrated.

    As you mentioned, it now shows someone else's incorrect information, report that to ICANN too (once you confirmed at VeriSigns site that it is not on-hold or suspneded etc)
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  3. #53
    I don't know guys how many times can I post and I repeat it again that WHOIS is still showing MY information, still. See my posts above.

    Thanks for the Verising link.

    I did reported the "incorrect" (fraudulent!) info on the whois even if it does not bear all of my data, but in some places it still shows my name or just the town name and I already explained that in my earlier posts. Nothing has changed much. I think that "customer" must be kicked out by BIZCN or ICANN must cancel BIZCN's accreditation. If ICANN, BIZCN etc. has NO DIGNITY then they should be CLOSED and sold to the next high bidder who DOES HAVE DIGNITY and does not use it just as a cash cow.

    When I have updated info, I (will) post here; it is not "going on and on about it", but it's updating the facts and the events as I think it is UNFAIR to tolerate such Whois abuse by ICANN and by registrars. I will add my efforts to the effort to end this tolerance of abuse soon.

    I also heavily trimmed my domain portfolio (most domains that I trimmed are useless to others) because of this abuse giving less business to the domain industry.

    We can vote with our pockets very well if there is no other way to make the change.
    Last edited by NeonRider; 10-23-2011 at 12:33 PM.

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Zan View Post
    You mean it still shows your details in the registrar's WHOIS? Or some third party's outside the registrar's own?
    Everyone's, the registrar's (BIZCN, accredited by ICANN!), the DomainTools's, the Who.is's etc. but the Internic does not show name/address data for any domains by default I suppose.

  5. #55
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    Unfortunately (for you) things will just have to run their course.

    If complaints are submitted through normal channels registrars have (I think) two weeks to act on them. Those two weeks aren't up.

    If you think your case is more urgent, and that it involves criminal activity, then you need to get the police involved. NOT in China, but in your own country - that's how things are done. The police in your own country will do whatever is necessary, liaising with the police in other countries as necessary. The only time you would go to another country's police force directly is is when a crime is committed against you while you are in their country. When my car radio was stolen in Amsterdam I contacted the Dutch police. If a Dutchman were to commit a crime against me in cyberspace I would contact the police in the UK.

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Lubeca View Post
    Unfortunately (for you) things will just have to run their course.

    If complaints are submitted through normal channels registrars have (I think) two weeks to act on them. Those two weeks aren't up.

    If you think your case is more urgent, and that it involves criminal activity, then you need to get the police involved. NOT in China, but in your own country - that's how things are done. The police in your own country will do whatever is necessary, liaising with the police in other countries as necessary. The only time you would go to another country's police force directly is is when a crime is committed against you while you are in their country. When my car radio was stolen in Amsterdam I contacted the Dutch police. If a Dutchman were to commit a crime against me in cyberspace I would contact the police in the UK.
    Do you think I'm a newborn and I never knew I could contact the local police? Have you read my earlier posts, by chance, any? How about this one? http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...8&postcount=32
    Last edited by NeonRider; 10-23-2011 at 03:29 PM.

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Lubeca View Post
    The attorney went by what is in the Whois. What else should he have done?

    And no, unfortunately the OP can't simply ignore the letter (that's really bad advice you've given there!). The OP is the victim of identity theft. This is a criminal matter, which needs to be reported to the Police. And the OP needs to write back to the attorney with a copy of a document from the Police confirming that he has reported the identity theft.

    Under no circumstances should the OP ignore the letter, or return it.
    Do you think an Internet Attorney can/could only do what an average Internet user can? This is why attorneys specialize in internet and domains so they should be able to recognize fake Whois data from real one. They could have searched under my name and see that the domains that I really own are listed with my real email address and my real phone number and my real hosting server. Only an IDIOT ignorant attorney can do something like that and I am sure his face is now all red.
    Last edited by NeonRider; 10-23-2011 at 03:30 PM.

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by NeonRider View Post
    Only an IDIOT ignorant attorney can do something like that and I am sure his face is now all red.
    Heh, you'd be surprised how many attorneys out there hardly know anything about domain names. If anything, that's something intellectual property ones ought to know about early on.

    I hate to also tell you this, but Lubeca's right that it takes an "average" of two weeks for WHOIS issues to resolve on their own, if ever. Or at least, ICANN gives each registrar that long before deciding to take action on their own, especially since they never really stated any "deadline" on how long to fix them by themselves.

    And don't be hard on Lubeca. He's not "really" criticizing you even though you're not taking it well, and is pointing out what's realistically done in the offline world. *shrug*

    Just do what you can.

  9. #59
    I'm back. Nothing has changed since. I gave time to "Jimmy" at BIZCN, who wrote on 28th October 2011:

    Hi xxxxxxxxxx

    As the domain owner failed to update these domain name contact in time, we have suspended all of them, it means all services such as web service and mail service will stop working in 24 hours. Should you have any futher request, please let us know.

    Regards,
    --------
    Jimmy
    Jimmy@**********
    www.**********

    ============================================

    EIGHT MONTHS LATER:

    ICANN seems to be a joke. My identity has been stolen by BIZCN domain registrar (or their customer(s)), who is accredited by ICANN. Someone at BIZCN has registered over 50 to 70 domain names (or more) using my name and my address, but they used their own email address and my old (not working) phone/fax number and everyone knows why they do it (so I don't get contacted too soon). If you take a look at for instance at the following domain and website: www.swissandluxury.com, it's not only registered in my name, but it is a live website selling watches and I am sure it is as fraudulent as hell. My numerous attempts to call , email and fax ICANN ended up in a wall of silence and complete ignorance by ICANN. More, ICANN's forms online to report bad registrars and fraudulent domain registrations does no work and sends me annoying and unbelievable form refusals for all domains I tried to report repeatedly many times wasting days and weeks of my time. My numerous attempts to reach BIZCN ended up in "Jimmy" from BIZCN responding (after numerous no-responses) and promising changes, yet he did very little and I noticed only a handful of domains at the Whois replaced my address with (I am sure) another stolen address/identity. BIZCN is a criminal fraud accredited by ICANN! Then who are ICANN if they accredit criminal domain registrars?

    Here's a by far incomplete list of domain names that bear or used to bear my name and my mailing address and my old outdated fax number that was sent to "Jimmy" at BIZCN as a request to remove my name, address and telephone from those domain records many months ago:

    http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/swissandluxury.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/bestdumps.biz
    http://whois.domaintools.com/haugher.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/trymani.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/leonardodemadagaskar.net
    http://whois.domaintools.com/jawproot.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/ziconna.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/chastet.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/aderally.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/medicalinv.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/bestdumps.biz
    http://whois.domaintools.com/swissapotheker.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/virgull.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/quadroprivate.net
    http://whois.domaintools.com/vzisf7g69gr.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/sfs8968f6h8sf6hs80xx.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/feacaebook.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/cwr79698wvw82.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/ponsul.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/sivement.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/traff-info.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/occupan.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/sf0878ksks73o9dd.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/swalerk.com
    http://whois.domaintools.com/best-rolex.net

    I just tried to submit this post on Facebook and here's what it said:

    Sorry, this post contains a blocked URL
    The content you're trying to share includes a link that's been blocked for being spammy or unsafe:

    F e a c a e b o o k . com

    Now wait! That's one of the domain names which's true owner (hidden behind my stolen identity) is a criminal at BIZCN or is a customer of the BIZCN registrar (accredited by ICANN).

    So, I CANN or I CANN'T?

    I call for Action - DUMP ALL YOUR UNNECESSARY and even not so necessary DOMAINS! Umbilicut on all fronts.

  10. #60

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    Hi, NeonRider

    Can I ask you something?

    Your real Full name is "[[[as listed in the links you provided]]]? or not?

    as I saw on WHOIS for the websites you provided, most used name is "[[[as listed in the links you provided]]]", however there are some other names too. And is this your contact information "[[[as listed in the links you provided]]]" ??? or THEIR contact information?

    BTW, the phone numbers & emails that provided in WHOIS are various, I don't know that are yours or their OR FAKED ones.

    I've noticed that some domains of them are going to expired too soon. And most of the websites are NOT active despite the fact that those domain names are still alive.


    So actually, now what've you been up to? I mean if those informations I asked ABOVE are yours.
    Last edited by SoftWareRevue; 07-01-2012 at 11:41 AM. Reason: obfuscation

  11. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by sogood View Post
    Hi, NeonRider

    Can I ask you something?

    Your real Full name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or not?

    as I saw on WHOIS for the websites you provided, most used name is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, however there are some other names too. And is this your contact information xxxxxxxxxxxxx us" ??? or THEIR contact information?

    BTW, the phone numbers & emails that provided in WHOIS are various, I don't know that are yours or their OR FAKED ones.

    I've noticed that some domains of them are going to expired too soon. And most of the websites are NOT active despite the fact that those domain names are still alive.


    So actually, now what've you been up to? I mean if those informations I asked ABOVE are yours.
    You are not supposed to post other person's name and address without their consent. Edit (delete) the name and address or delete your post. You can email such message via private mail and not post in public as you can see the names were never mentioned in this forum. Everything is explained in my earlier posts. Some of the domains have been changed to someone elses name and address either by BIZCN or by the scammers themselves.

  12. #62

    swissandluxury.com scammer details

    I just placed an "order" on www.swissandluxury.com (they do not provide any of their phone, street address, mailing address or even a telephone on that website, so I asked them for their address where to send a check or a money order. Here's what they replied revealing info on the potential owner of this SCAM, that uses my name and my address as the Whois record for their fraudulent business:

    Dear (my name),
    Thank you for your recent online purchase with Swiss&Luxury.com!

    The only payment method accepted for international orders is bank wire transfer. International check clearing can take from 4 - 6 weeks.
    Even though it's easy to issue a check, it may not be easy for the recipient to cash the check. That's why we don't accept the checks from international orders.

    I hope for your understanding!

    The following is the wire transfer information for payment of your invoice.

    Lloyds TSB Bank
    1 Legg St, Essex CM1 1JS, United Kingdom
    Company address: 6 Valiant Way, London E6 5XN, United Kingdom

    Account number: 22861068
    Sort code: 30-99-64

    IBAN: GB52LOYD30996422861068
    BIC: LOYDGB21169

    Account name: Robert Pyc

    Total amount in USD currency: 2,425.00

    Once the payment has been arranged, please send us a confirmation e-mail.

    You may fax or e-mail a bank transaction receipt so we may better identify receipt of the funds, our fax number is 800-930-6527.

    Looking forward to your reply!


    Best regards,
    Chris Franklyn
    +44 20 8816 8955

    > What address should I send the cashier's check to?

    > Re: order# 5078-9277-0838
    > $2425.00

  13. #63
    I assume I may regret asking this, but tried to look back in this thread for the answer, but may I ask why do not just take rightful ownership of these domains so you can change the whois info pertaining to them? The registrar reporting the whois info would have to (assuming) consider you the owner to some extent if your personal info resides on what they provide and broadcast. Then sell them off.

    Only way I would assume you would gain monetary satisfaction from this?
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  14. #64
    Never mind, I re-read the entire thread and found my answer.

    I had figured if you are reported as the owner, why not just become the owner and control the situation? I see now that this option posses some blockades.

    Good luck!
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  15. #65
    My IQ does not allow me to pay registration fee for GARBAGE (idiotic) domains that low cast scumbag criminals register and get high on. Only low IQ criminals with no dignity and no brain can register trash like that. They will never raise above the raped (dukhi) status in prison and they have no life apart from living from fear to fear. I have dignity and self respect and thus I will never even consider "owning" the "domains" that these scumbags register. Let alone selling them, - what kind of idiot would want to have them for sale and what kind of retard would want to buy such trash?

  16. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by VaporCreations View Post
    Never mind, I re-read the entire thread and found my answer.

    I had figured if you are reported as the owner, why not just become the owner and control the situation? I see now that this option posses some blockades.

    Good luck!
    To become an owner I would have to pay the BIZCN "registrar" (accredited by icann) money to keep these idiotic domains for at least a year. Plus it would be a crime to acquire something that does not belong to me.

  17. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by sogood View Post
    Hi, NeonRider

    Can I ask you something?

    Your real Full name is "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx? or not?

    as I saw on WHOIS for the websites you provided, most used name is "xxxxxxxxxxxxxx", however there are some other names too. And is this your contact information "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" ??? or THEIR contact information?

    BTW, the phone numbers & emails that provided in WHOIS are various, I don't know that are yours or their OR FAKED ones.

    I've noticed that some domains of them are going to expired too soon. And most of the websites are NOT active despite the fact that those domain names are still alive.


    So actually, now what've you been up to? I mean if those informations I asked ABOVE are yours.
    I am almost sure the newly registered novice user "SOGOOD" (who's this post is number one and probably the last one) is either one of those criminals that been hurt by my posting or is a part of the shady WHT forum staff, who's only purpose was to shill in their post by posting someone's name and keeping themselves anonymous. Only absolute cowards and scumbags do that. While WHT won't remove their post of the "Sogood" troll and shill, that only explains how SHADY this (WHT) forum is. Once you are identified by your full name, you have no rights on this shady unethical forum to fight back. All you can do is wonder why everyone else is allowed privacy of a username 9and not your real name) and you don't. Because forums in general are undemocratical and increasingly biased and shady.

    My only reason to not post my name and address son more public places is:

    1. My whois info has been stolen and used in a fake domain registration and the anonymous coward "SOGOOD" posted the stolen info in this forum. And the shafdy WHT forum has no guts to delete it. It will eventually turn out to be illegal what they did.

    2. I do not want my name and address to be shared all over the web so more criminals can EASILY access it and steal it MORE. Yet WHT seems to love to help criminals to get people's data more easily. They care none of the less to respect your privacy. WHT has no respect to your privacy what so ever.

    3. I do not trust WHT anymore as I think it is a shady place.

    4. USA in general has become a shady fascist county. It killed its own 3000+ people and so on. Don't let me start on that. Any company born in it is potentially a ridiculous and shady entity copying Russian and third world ways of doing things.
    Last edited by NeonRider; 06-25-2012 at 11:17 PM.

  18. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by sogood View Post
    Hi, NeonRider

    Can I ask you something?

    Your real Full name is "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? or not?

    as I saw on WHOIS for the websites you provided, most used name is "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx", however there are some other names too. And is this your contact information "P.O. Box xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" ??? or THEIR contact information?

    BTW, the phone numbers & emails that provided in WHOIS are various, I don't know that are yours or their OR FAKED ones.

    I've noticed that some domains of them are going to expired too soon. And most of the websites are NOT active despite the fact that those domain names are still alive.


    So actually, now what've you been up to? I mean if those informations I asked ABOVE are yours.
    What am I up to? Defending my privacy and my identity! What are YOU up to? What are the CRIMINALS up to? Huh?

  19. #69

    Try this

    Try to log into the domain registrar's site. Make like you cannot remember your username or password, just "your' domain name. Have them e-mail you the username and password so you can log in. Then redirect the domain to something else, such as ns1.misk.com and ns2.misk.com, and change the password. Also, delete your name from the WHOIS record.

  20. #70
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    Question, sorry if I missed the answer already .. How did you find 70 odd domains using your details? I get you were notified of one, but what about the rest?

    And about your personal info being posted here, while it probably shouldn't have been, you did post the domains and stated they had your details, so to be fair you made that info available to everybody reading this before that post was made.

    I'll also mention that ranting about this 'shady' forum and its 'shady' staff when you came here asking for help, won't encourage people to try and help you further.

  21. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by SomebodySmart View Post
    Try to log into the domain registrar's site. Make like you cannot remember your username or password, just "your' domain name. Have them e-mail you the username and password so you can log in. Then redirect the domain to something else, such as ns1.misk.com and ns2.misk.com, and change the password. Also, delete your name from the WHOIS record.
    I wish it was that easy and I wish the criminals were that stupid. The email address listed in Whois is not mine, it is probably controlled by the criminals. So there is no way to do it as you suggest.

  22. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Loon View Post
    Question, sorry if I missed the answer already .. How did you find 70 odd domains using your details? I get you were notified of one, but what about the rest?

    And about your personal info being posted here, while it probably shouldn't have been, you did post the domains and stated they had your details, so to be fair you made that info available to everybody reading this before that post was made.

    I'll also mention that ranting about this 'shady' forum and its 'shady' staff when you came here asking for help, won't encourage people to try and help you further.
    There are two different things:

    1. I posted links to Whois info with all kinds of names, all kinds of addresses, and usually the same email address of the criminals or different ones, I don't remember now. I did not post my name even if you can view the whois by clicking on the links there is one thing to list a link and completely unethical is to take that info and post on a forum. My info was stolen, it should not be here. It is unethical and may be illegal to REPOST it again, same as it is illegal to sell goods that you know are stolen. I want to repeat again, this forum is shady and unethical no matter how bad that may sound. They probably can get away (for now) by posting people's personal data on here, yet it is unethical as the least. And I will keep on looking for ways to solve this crisis.

    2. By calling the management (moderators etc.,) of the forum shady and unethical I did not mean to call everyone (all the members and visitors) shady and unethical, only the shill user "sogood" and the decision makers, who I believe are unethical.
    The user "sogood" writing "What are you up to?" he is kind of inviting other users to harass me, this is how the lawyer explained to me that could be unethical and perhaps illegal. His account may have been created with one sole purpose to invite other users to harass me. And the mods are not even consideri8ng editing or deleting his/her post. Yet a long standing member like me has been threatened by the WHT admins to close my account already. Yet some novice who never posted before is allowed to write shady posts against other users and post their names and addresses unnecessarily while he or she "sogood" could contact me via private message instead. Thus once again, I confirm, WHT is shady and unethical and that is true.

    How did I find that "I own" 70+ domains? Here's how:

    1. Go to: http://whois.domaintools.com/swissandluxury.com
    2. 53 other domains (stated there under "Reverse Whois" line near the top.
    3. "xxxxx(surname) Business" is a fake/fantasy business name, no one is using this kind of name to do business". If you look up the domains I truly own, you will see what data I use there through out my 25 domains that I truly own.
    4. Most people on forums do not want to identify themselves by their real names. Why should I? Can;t I have some privacy? Not at WHT!

    About 20 or so domains of those criminals had their whois info changed to other stolen names and addresses. I used to see 70+ in there, but now is 53, but any day it can become more or less. It just proves that both BIZCM and ICANN are shady anmd unethical as well. As the least. Yet I suspect BIZCN are involved with criminals. And regarding ICANN who knows, but if they approve such criminally neglect (as the least) registrars and do not do anything when I report the crimes, then ICANN may be in for the crime as well. Here's an example:

    If one person is committing a homicide and his accomplices are watching him and not calling the police nor trying to stop him, they are going to go to prison as well. So if BIZCN and ICANN (after my notifications and multiple reports) does little to nothing to stop these crimes, then what are they? Do they expect a person in USA to sue criminals in China? tat is naive. There should be easier ways to solve such a mess. So when a child commits a crime, usually parents are held responsible for his crimes.
    Last edited by NeonRider; 06-26-2012 at 11:28 PM.

  23. #73
    P.S. It feels as if I am being kind of "PUNISHED" by WHT for exposing those criminal domains. It just feels like that.

  24. #74

    Webhostingtalk.com, an unethical, shady place that has no respect for your privacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Loon View Post
    Question, sorry if I missed the answer already .. How did you find 70 odd domains using your details? I get you were notified of one, but what about the rest?

    And about your personal info being posted here, while it probably shouldn't have been, you did post the domains and stated they had your details, so to be fair you made that info available to everybody reading this before that post was made.

    I'll also mention that ranting about this 'shady' forum and its 'shady' staff when you came here asking for help, won't encourage people to try and help you further.
    Here's a record (see the link below) that states that 74 domains are owned, but actually and truly owned are only 25 domains, so the other 49 domains are identity theft:

    http://whois.domaintools.com/equay.com

    This is the real ownership domain with whois name and address data used throughout all 25 domains. Any domains listing something else than this are identity theft. I usually like to keep from posting such data on forums to prevent spam, to prevent identity theft and for privacy purposes. Yet as we now know, WHT does not respect your privacy and allows to post your name, your address, etc. by some newly registered troll "sogood" who wouldn't post his/her own name on here neither the WHT forum owners and mods will post their real names on this unethical, shady forum.

    I just got a phone call. Someone was kind enough to explain to me that by posting people's names, addresses and other interesting data (especially good for the id thieves and spammers) WHT makes more revenue with that kind of content of their shady forums. Screw the privacy, let's make money. WHT privacy terms don't even come close, and don't mention anything about your name or address or phone or your email - whether it is allowed or not to post on WHT. I guess they allow anything to be posted here as long as Inet Interactive makes money off your posts and off your private data.

    So here's one to WHT, - I own my name and I own my address and WHT has NO consent of mine to use it anywhere on their message boards. No consent what so ever.
    Last edited by NeonRider; 06-27-2012 at 02:28 AM.

  25. #75
    Supplemental info to my case (could be yours too soon):

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...crime_reports/

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