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[uzaymerkezi]

I am looking for dedicated server in europe which will not null routed at ddos. I used to have one i7, 24 gb ram server it's null routed 160 mb attack. (very small one) So i no recommend ovh anyone! I think some datacenters too strick for attacks so i need flexiable ones who is willing and can develop also solutions.

Any advice will be highly appreciated.

[themedia]

if you are receiving 160 mb/s ddos attack, that means you are filling the datacenter pipe with 160 mb/s of traffic usage. common sense dictates that if you don't want to be null routed, you have to pay for a 200 mb/s unmetered uplink to accomodate this.

the reason for this is, that ddos or legitimate traffic, the datacenter has to pay for that traffic, so you can't expect them not to charge you for it, and just let it flow.

you can however pick a ddos protected dedicated server that will have a higher price tag obviously, but you will not notice the effects of the ddos attack either.

my favorite ddos protection provider has been staminus for the past 2 years, but they are located in the US.

[Vex76]

I agree with themedia. Myself, I've been using proxy shield providers http://www.vistnet.com for a couple of years now, they're in Europe and cost well below the average you'll get charged out there.

[Onepamopa]

those vistnet guys saved me from a lot of sleepless nights "watching" for the next ddos attack to my l2 servers with iptables and other stuff in hand
i recomend them.

[MziB]

Originally Posted by Onepamopa

those vistnet guys saved me from a lot of sleepless nights "watching" for the next ddos attack to my l2 servers with iptables and other stuff in hand
i recomend them.

Anyone who has had to deal with those attacks knows how painfully irritating it is each time those nasty attackers emerge with new IP addresses as soon as you've just finished banning the previous addresses.

[silasmoeckel]

Originally Posted by Vex76

I agree with themedia. Myself, I've been using proxy shield providers http://www.vistnet.com for a couple of years now, they're in Europe and cost well below the average you'll get charged out there.

How effective can this realy be? It's trivial to find your old real IP. The point of a DDOS is you can block it at your firewall but your provider and your nic will still see the traffic. Once enough traffic is coming from enough random IP's they will still need to null route your IP. You would need to sign up for this and move your web site to a different provider and find and inbound and outbound mail proxy that will sanitize IP addresses if your emailing anything.

[borbelyua]

In addition to what was said themedia, you will "interfere" neighbouring servers this does not allow in most DC.

[Flapadar]

As a person who has been targeted by 30gbit/s attacks I can safely say that as long as you are being attacked, it is basically a matter of money.

The cheapest solution I found was limestonenetworks. I have to say emphasise, they are not a ddos mitigation service. They do have a network filter, but they do not advertise ddos protection as more ddos - > More packet loss, etc for their customers. If you are being hit by more than 3gbit/s, don't trouble them with the traffic.

True ddos protection is hard to find. The lowest price I was quoted by "ddos protection services" was $10,000 a month. Obviously I'm not willing to pay that so I had to give up selling my product instead.

Edit: If you want more info about their filter, Ryan at limestonenetworks is probably the right person to ask. I'm pretty sure the entire filter was his personal project.

[hhw]

Originally Posted by uzaymerkezi

I am looking for dedicated server in europe which will not null routed at ddos. I used to have one i7, 24 gb ram server it's null routed 160 mb attack. (very small one) So i no recommend ovh anyone! I think some datacenters too strick for attacks so i need flexiable ones who is willing and can develop also solutions.

Any advice will be highly appreciated.

Only 160Mbps but how many packets/s? For DDoS attacks, it's usually the packets/s that matters, not the bandwidth. In 160Mbps, you can fit almost 1Mpps using small packets, which is quite a large attack. On the other hand, it could also only be 13,334 packets, which is not a large number to be network affecting, but could still bring a server to its knees, depending on how it's configured.

[Onepamopa]

Originally Posted by MziB

Anyone who has had to deal with those attacks knows how painfully irritating it is each time those nasty attackers emerge with new IP addresses as soon as you've just finished banning the previous addresses.

Yeah..... I dont even want to remember that part of my life

[Onepamopa]

Originally Posted by Flapadar

As a person who has been targeted by 30gbit/s attacks I can safely say that as long as you are being attacked, it is basically a matter of money.

The cheapest solution I found was limestonenetworks. I have to say emphasise, they are not a ddos mitigation service. They do have a network filter, but they do not advertise ddos protection as more ddos - > More packet loss, etc for their customers. If you are being hit by more than 3gbit/s, don't trouble them with the traffic.

True ddos protection is hard to find. The lowest price I was quoted by "ddos protection services" was $10,000 a month. Obviously I'm not willing to pay that so I had to give up selling my product instead.

Edit: If you want more info about their filter, Ryan at limestonenetworks is probably the right person to ask. I'm pretty sure the entire filter was his personal project.

Well, all I know is that when I started with protection @ my servers there was quite large ddos attack (I dont know the exact size, all I know is that it was BIG, cause half of russia's internet was crippled (it was in the news sites next day)), and I didnt feel a thing.

[aodat2]

So are you trying to say that you could get DDOS protection which is real good and real effective for a really cheap price or something like that? I don't really get what you're trying to say Onepamopa. Do you mind telling us what has Russia's problem got to do here?

[Onepamopa]

aodat2 You dont know that about me, but I dont believe in coincidences.... I'll try to find the news links later, but it was long time ago so..
Anyway if I find something I'll post it here

[aodat2]

I'm totally confused. Don't really understand what you're trying to get at over here. Does it have anything to do with the OP or does it have anything to do with DDOS or something like that? I'm so confused.

[Flapadar]

Originally Posted by Onepamopa

Well, all I know is that when I started with protection @ my servers there was quite large ddos attack (I dont know the exact size, all I know is that it was BIG, cause half of russia's internet was crippled (it was in the news sites next day)), and I didnt feel a thing.

It's probably a coincidence. If an attack on your server was large enough to saturate a lot of a carrier's pipe, you would get a carrier block.

I have had attacks 15-30gbit/s that didn't affect carriers or even a datacentre. It only affected the datacentre when the attacker started hitting the infrastructure specifically to bring my server down, as targetting my server was failing.