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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by mrcjdawson View Post
    There will always be lawbreakers. The answer isn't to just start treating every host like a lawbreaker by writing Draconian legislation and driving more commerce to the shadows, empowering the shadows. If we can get to a place where we are working with legislators to write good legislation, a rising tide can lift all boats.
    I agree as well, however the politicians are not going to take "Leave us alone, we can self govern ourselves"

    There will be compromises, etc.

    I realize that regulation is on its way, I also agree we need to step up to teach politicians the true nature of the industry and teach them what and what will not have drastic effects on us.

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    Hi,

    Thanks very much for this comment. It help me to think about my ideals.

    Tks again and pls keep posting.

  3. #53
    We can establish NGO to protect hosting industry the only things that need to be concerned right now is how many people are willing to get involved?

    Let's put up a badge on our site and promote "Save Hosting!"

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    Thank God there IS a world outside the US.

    Don't get me wrong, I truly admire any effort in pulling together some kind of trade association that could actually impact the policy process. Good luck.
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    Can't be at the event today but I signed up for all of the services online and look to throw our support behind this movement and organization.

    Looking forward to see what comes out of today's event, and ways we can help move us toward a resolution which both works for the hosting industry and the government. As it stands, these proposed laws are catastrophic towards the hosting industry.

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    You know what this entire thread is missing? Excerpts from the legislation that was referred to.

    For instance, The link "Protect IP": http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...-112s968rs.pdf
    where it is written:
    (3) DEFENSE.—A defendant in an action under

    paragraph (1) may establish an affirmative defense
    by showing that the defendant does not have the tech-
    nical means to comply with the subsection without in-
    curring an unreasonable economic burden, or that the
    order is inconsistent with this Act.
    And without taking the hour required to read every word of this bill as I see it from scanning through it. They are talking about Phishing and Spoofing sites. Now who here is FOR allowing these type of sites? I'm NOT!

    This whole thread screams of my favorite saying "The Gullible American Consumer"! In this case someone makes a post and references two laws written by the Government and that's enough to start a panic. Just SCAN the links and you will see no threat to any hosting company that operates his (or her) business with any moral form.

    And about the referenced bill, link: Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...112s1308is.pdf

    All I see there is if your going to allow porn on your server then your going to have to keep records of IPs that access the sites your allowing and this is only to protect against Child Pornography. How the heck do you expect them to catch scum that is involved with child pron if you don't have access records?

    If you don't want to keep access logs then don't allow porn on your servers! It's that flipping simple folks. If you do want to allow porn there is nothing wrong with that on a individual's level of decision. I really don't see why keeping access logs is such a big deal. With the decreased cost of disk space such storage should not be that burdensome on the Site's administrator. Are you trying to tell me that you would not keep access logs for 18 months if it would help catch a criminal involved in child pornography?

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    I would like to help, what can I do as an individual and as a company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljprevo View Post
    I totally agree with you 100%, every time the government sticks its nose in they seem to mess things up more, however we can't have fly by night host running "Amuck" can we? That is the question, what do we do?
    I hear that! Well, we can at least have a Political Action Committee to help the govt understand what we feel would be optimal. Then maybe we might have some input on the "running amuck" as well.

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    We all need to join in to keep a watch on this and talk to our local and regional government to make sure laws like this never pass at the state or federal level.
    Justin

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    There was a session on this at cPanel Conf but I missed it.
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    TheWHIR is hosting a Webinar to talk about next steps for the Save Hosting Coalition. Take a look here:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1093921
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    Quote Originally Posted by redham View Post
    This whole thread screams of my favorite saying "The Gullible American Consumer"! In this case someone makes a post and references two laws written by the Government and that's enough to start a panic. Just SCAN the links and you will see no threat to any hosting company that operates his (or her) business with any moral form.
    I could not disagree more with this dangerous statement and encourage people to dig deeper.

    PIPA in particular supersedes Safe Harbor, and treats web hosts as if they are acting in concert with those performing illegal acts on their infrastructure. Therefore, by the time something has been brought to your attention as being illegal, you are already in violation of the law. Unless you monitor every bit and byte that enters your network, and are familiar enough with every image that goes up on one of your servers to know that it can't be somebody else's property, you can be shown to be liable in a court of law.

    The Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 imposes a slew of new costs and security concerns onto hosts without addressing the actual problem in the most sensible manners.

    Nobody is for phishers or spoofers or child pornographers getting away with illegal stuff. The vast majority of us out there are highly moral, upstanding citizens. Perhaps if you simply scan the links you may not see the problem, but with a little research you may find that the goal, to try to get hosting providers talking to lawmakers to find real, constructive solutions to these real problems, is indeed a noble goal.

    Regarding PIPA, here's a good video illustrating the issues we are dealing with:

    http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa/
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    Oh, and not to belabor the point but if you DO want to monitor everything that goes onto your network, and that's the way you want to approach solving this problem (in accordance with what PIPA and SOPA expect) then you better be instantly on top of any potential hack and close that vulnerability because if you ever get hacked you'll be exposed to endless liability. You'll be blamed completely. If you're cool with that, great. Banks and Intellectual Property owners want people to point to for blame, when it's hard to reach people like hackers. We can accept that, and just die off one at a time as these laws get exercised against us, or we can stand up and try to voice our opposition, to get to a point where we can constructively offer up more sensible and effective alternatives.
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    Hello Christian,

    I have been following this very closely and I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your efforts. You are making a difference. Latest headline from CNET.

    Momentum shift: SOPA, PIPA opponents now in driver's seat

    "The broad support in the U.S. government for two controversial anti-piracy bills appears to be evaporating."

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57...?tag=mncol;txt

    We in the hosting industry owe you, and all who are publicly opposing these bills a debt of gratitude.

    You are making a difference and I thank you.
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    Thank you so much! I've gotten the chance to meet with lots of Senators and Congressmen on this subject. I spoke last week at CES about it. We're making progress but the fight is far from over.

    There is lots of news and many stories to tell. I owe you guys updates.

    I promise to post lots soon.

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    Thumbs down

    I don't like it. Too much room for abuse and errors.
    Even the spam blocker databases mess up - a lot!
    Check your grammar on the site menus.
    Suggest you explain what "help hosting customer's from webhost who use pirated software's " does, and why.

    Everyone seems to want to control something, and in the usual end, it is the honest Joe's that end up paying for it.

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    So this thread has been dormant for awhile, what's the scoop on what SaveHosting.org is up to?
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    GREAT question. Announcements coming real soon. Save Hosting is becoming something new - a trade association called the Internet Infrastructure Coalition, or i2C.

    The bottom line is that we know that next time out we need to be even more organized and together in order to make sure that this industry survives and thrives. So we're doing it. Check out http://www.i2coalition.com for an industry preview of what we are working on. The site is in 'soft launch' mode meaning that though it's up, nothing has been announced yet. We're still working on final steps with the Founding Members who have signed on board to help us fight the good fight on behalf of this industry we all love.
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    This has all been very interesting. Unfortunately, the US Congress never makes much Progress.

    There are off-shore servers wanting and waiting for renters and are out of reach of the clutches of congress. It would be an interesting move if data centres pulled out or moves out of the US.

    I imagine too that there are many clients hosted in the US, that are from all over the world. They will move.

    I'm in midst of discussing such plans with some ISP/IT's as the US and Canada place more and more regulations on the Hosts that ultimately affect clients. We can be a Hosts client almost anywhere in the world.

    It is A-typical of government to attack any problem through the wallets of others. I don't remember any government or lobby groups work so hard at realigning any public medium as today. How soon we forget that when reel-reel, then 8-track, then Beta, and VHS, and cassette were used to record a friends '45', something off the radio. I wonder too, how effective were the warnings at at the start, middle, and end of a football game announcing that it is illegal to record it. They didn't put rules on the cassette or VHS manufacturers, or the playback machines to prevent piracy. The companies making the tapes and machines were paying too much in taxes to bother them.

    Where is the HDD at? In Canada, Canadians pay an additional tax on every storage medium they buy because they _might_, use the medium to store P2P music, art, text and so on. So because anyone might, the tax was put there, to be shared by the Music artists industry. I thought of sending the Canadian government an invoice because they might use my services

    It's all a mess with too many fingers in the pier wanting a voice at the table, with a deaf Congress. I think it will take a lot more than lobbying - it will take a lot of money to buy the Congressmen, just as the lobbyists do.

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