Web Hosting Talk : Web Hosting Main Forums : Dedicated Server : 5670 or 5645 Processors

[ThomasBiddle]

I looked through the offers and did a search, but no one advertises these. I am in need of either a dual 5670 with 48GB ram or a dual 5645 with 48GB ram - or single's and 24GB ram.

Any ideas?

[gordonrp]

Most hosts do custom orders, what are your budget, disk/raid, bandwidth, and location requirements?

[ThomasBiddle]

Yeah - But I've found not a lot of people offer these processors as most don't have the need for them.

Currently I'm with I/O Flood - Absolutely fantastic company, here are my current specs:
Single 3460
32GB Ram
2x1TB Software Raid 10
10TB /mo
24 IPs
$220/mo

I'm running a VPS hosting company, but my clients are very CPU demanding and this server just isn't cutting it for how much ram there is available.

I realize a 5670 would probably be out of my budget - but wanted to throw it in there. So what I'm looking for now is:

Dual 5645 or Dual 5670
48GB Ram
2x1TB (I don't really care about Software vs Hardware raid, but if you'll offer a price reduction for one - I'll take it)
Can work out the IPs later
Don't need all that much bandwidth - let me know

I/O Flood made an offer for me in the 400-500 range for that setup with the 5645's but they can't get the hardware in until next month without a setup-fee.

$400-500 range is my budget on this.

I would also consider Single processors and half the ram if that's an option.

Thanks for the reply,
Thomas

Edit: US Preferably - but not really of concern.

[gordonrp]

"2x1TB Software Raid 10"
Assume you mean RAID1, RAID10 requires 4 drives. You would be much better off with 4x 500GB drives in RAID10 than 2x 1TB in RAID1. When you look in TOP is the CPU being used by IOWAIT, e.g. disks being too slow? That's quite common with VPS providers on RAID1 using SATA, and often RAID10 SAS is a better solution than beefier CPUs (unless of course your clients are running minecraft or something, but even then you want higher clock speeds, not necessarily more cores).

Anyway, providers are not allowed to message you on these forums. You will have to message people and ask if they can meet your needs. Anyone who messages you is breaking the rules, and is probably desperate for business, so keep that in mind.

The price IOFLOOD offered looks good, but most hosts can get a new custom server online within 7 days or quicker.

[ThomasBiddle]

Originally Posted by gordonrp

"2x1TB Software Raid 10"
Assume you mean RAID1, RAID10 requires 4 drives. You would be much better off with 4x 500GB drives in RAID10 than 2x 1TB in RAID1. When you look in TOP is the CPU being used by IOWAIT, e.g. disks being too slow? That's quite common with VPS providers on RAID1 using SATA, and often RAID10 SAS is a better solution than beefier CPUs (unless of course your clients are running minecraft or something, but even then you want higher clock speeds, not necessarily more cores).

Anyway, providers are not allowed to message you on these forums. You will have to message people and ask if they can meet your needs. Anyone who messages you is breaking the rules, and is probably desperate for business, so keep that in mind.

The price IOFLOOD offered looks good, but most hosts can get a new custom server online within 7 days or quicker.

Disk I/O is minimal, if I wanted I could drop down to 1 disk - but I of course don't want to risk not having a backup. Yes Raid 1 - thanks for the fix.

I'm aware providers aren't able to message me - which is why I had worded my OP as just asking for ideas, or suggestions from others since most don't advertise they have these processors I wasn't sure if someone knew of one that did.

I'm fine with the price IOFlood offered me - that's not the issue, the issue is that I can't wait a month to get a new node online.

Thanks for the input though.

Regards,
Thomas

[net]

Originally Posted by ThomasBiddle

I'm fine with the price IOFlood offered me - that's not the issue, the issue is that I can't wait a month to get a new node online.

Maybe the wait is worth it.

Probably the delay is due to setup of the server.

If you are happy with them, better stick with them.

[Cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by ThomasBiddle

Yeah - But I've found not a lot of people offer these processors as most don't have the need for them.

Currently I'm with I/O Flood - Absolutely fantastic company, here are my current specs:
Single 3460
32GB Ram
2x1TB Software Raid 10
10TB /mo
24 IPs
$220/mo

I'm running a VPS hosting company, but my clients are very CPU demanding and this server just isn't cutting it for how much ram there is available.

I realize a 5670 would probably be out of my budget - but wanted to throw it in there. So what I'm looking for now is:

Dual 5645 or Dual 5670
48GB Ram
2x1TB (I don't really care about Software vs Hardware raid, but if you'll offer a price reduction for one - I'll take it)
Can work out the IPs later
Don't need all that much bandwidth - let me know

I/O Flood made an offer for me in the 400-500 range for that setup with the 5645's but they can't get the hardware in until next month without a setup-fee.

$400-500 range is my budget on this.

I would also consider Single processors and half the ram if that's an option.

Thanks for the reply,
Thomas

Edit: US Preferably - but not really of concern.

A build like that ( if you have business credit ) You're better off leasing from a vendor like Dell or HP with those specs and then colocating it at a reputable datacenter, like ubiquity, steadfast, etc.

You should save a few hundred dollars per month comparing to renting.

[ThomasBiddle]

Originally Posted by net

Maybe the wait is worth it.

Probably the delay is due to setup of the server.

If you are happy with them, better stick with them.

Well the 32GB node only covers around 1/4 of my servers. It was essentially the "test" node to see what I would need as I'm just now moving to dedis from reselling.

So having one server at another provider is fine with me - and I can always switch it to IOFLOOD in the future when the hardware becomes available, but I'd like to start some movement as quickly as possible. I'm waiting for Gabe (Funkywizard) to get home so we can discuss this as well.

[Softsys Hosting]

Well, Colocation is something you can consider since you'd save considerably in long run. If you're looking for rented server, $500-$600 for configuration you're looking is a very good price for Dual 5640 / 48G RAM / 2 * 1TB HDD / Hardware RAID card from IOFlood since the server itself is costly and should easily get to $800-$900 pm with most providers.

[eva2000]

Originally Posted by ThomasBiddle

Yeah - But I've found not a lot of people offer these processors as most don't have the need for them.

try http://www.databasebydesignllc.com/ they have some of the highest end hardware listed on their site that I know. Haven't used their services but did ask about the servers and vps a while back and they were responsive (occasionally need to evaluate hosts/hardware configs for my vB clients that I refer to web hosts). But probably outside of your budget.

They also have quad xeon E7-4870 Westmere-EXs too that's 40/80 cpu cores/threads

[funkywizard]

Looking at newegg for the 5670, that's currently running $1,469.99 apiece for 6 core 2.93ghz, whereas the 5645 runs $590 each for 6 core 2.4ghz. Since such a cpu would be such a niche request, the only way we would offer that to someone is with a setup fee equal to the difference in price between the two. I think you'll be hard pressed to find any host offering that cpu unless they're charging really exorbitant rates to make up for the cancellation risk on the server, since very few customers could justify such an expensive cpu vs getting multiple servers with less powerful cpus.

Is anyone familiar with the W3670? It looks to be 6 core, 3.2ghz for $600. Presumably because of the model number it doesn't support dual processors, but getting 33% more clock speed for the same money, it might make more sense just to build servers with one of those cpus, and 24gb ram, in cases like this.

Realistically the sandy bridge would be the way to go, with the $200 E3-1230 cpu there getting the same cpubenchmark.net score as the $600 3670, but with a 16gb ram limitation on the sandy bridges right now, makes it hard to use for VPS's there.

[eva2000]

Yeah W3670 would be a nice compromise. Just remember differences in terms of System Bus speed and max TDP

Xeon E5645 - 5.86GT/s system bus with 80W TDP
Xeon X5670 - 6.40GT/s system bus with 95W TDP
Xeon W3670 - 4.80GT/s system bus with 130W TDP

For VPS/reselling, I'd go dual Xeon E5645 with gobs of memory (288GB max supported on E5645 and X5670 vs 24GB max on W3670)

[Ionity]

W3670 is single socket setup. Does not support as much memory, etc. It is much less expensive than the X5670 counterpart.

If your building a lot of servers with X5670 but only ever populating one socket then your using the wrong CPU.

[funkywizard]

Originally Posted by eva2000

Yeah W3670 would be a nice compromise. Just remember differences in terms of System Bus speed and max TDP

Xeon E5645 - 5.86GT/s system bus with 80W TDP
Xeon X5670 - 6.40GT/s system bus with 95W TDP
Xeon W3670 - 4.80GT/s system bus with 130W TDP

For VPS/reselling, I'd go dual Xeon E5645 with gobs of memory (288GB max supported on E5645 and X5670 vs 24GB max on W3670)

Normally I would just recommend the 3460 with 32gb ram for VPS nodes, which is what he already has, but in this particular use case, it's just incredibly cpu intensive, and that configuration won't cut it.

The 3670 with 24gb probably provides the right ratio of cpu to ram for this use case, but the cost effectiveness of it is questionable compared to the sandy bridge 16gb since the cpu costs almost $400 more and the power use is so much higher.

The dual 5645 with 48gb ram provides about 50% more cpu per gb ram than his current setup, so should work well, but there is a chance this also isn't enough cpu per gb ram.

[Ionity]

I have a dual socket x5680 with 96gb ram in my lab. If you guys want to tinker around with it to see the ratio of ram/cpu with the 3.33GHz CPU just let me know. Obviously you can't use it for production, but if you've got some way to benchmark it.