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06-07-2011, 09:08 PM #26Aaron Wendel
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06-07-2011, 09:45 PM #27Web Hosting Master
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Last month you were leaking WII prefixes out via KCIX AS40542 -- you're not anymore. Cogent only has paths for the majority of your prefixes through HE.net. It's disingenuous to list Cogent as one of your networks of connectivity if you've structured your route advertisements such that it could never be used without manual intervention by a network engineer.
The only prefixes leaked out to Cogent via KCIX sourced from AS32097 are the Virpus netblocks plus a couple more.Eric Spaeth
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06-07-2011, 10:06 PM #28Virtually Flawless ;)
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Any hint as to who you will be replacing Cogent with once that happens?
Originally Posted by spaethco
Code:1 gi1-47.99.mpd01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.250.81) 0.476 ms 0.331 ms 2 te7-1.ccr02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.250) 45.979 ms te8-1.ccr02.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.254) 160.200 ms 3 te7-1.ccr02.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.25.6) 0.736 ms te8-1.ccr02.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.25.10) 0.471 ms 4 globalcrossing.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.14.18) 0.675 ms 0.475 ms 5 HURRICANE-ELECTRIC-LLC.GigabitEthernet3-23.ar2.CHI2.gblx.net (64.208.205.42) 24.102 ms 24.121 ms 6 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.mci1.he.net (72.52.92.2) 34.466 ms 34.547 ms 7 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.mci2.he.net (184.105.213.2) 34.289 ms 34.536 ms 8 wholesale-internet-inc.10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.mci2.he.net (216.66.79.10) 34.934 ms 34.923 ms 9 69.30.209.3 (69.30.209.3) 35.213 ms 35.679 ms 10 * *
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06-07-2011, 10:11 PM #29Web Hosting Master
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06-08-2011, 07:02 AM #30Web Hosting Master
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Thanks for the initial review. Really glad to hear that you are very satisfied with their service.
I hope that further follow ups will be there after a couple of months.
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06-08-2011, 02:23 PM #31Aaron Wendel
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06-08-2011, 02:32 PM #32
We may go with Cogent direct - or not. One of the issues with them is that they only have 2Gbits running into our building. One of those is dedicated to us and the other is shared between everyone else.
We moved most of our incoming traffic off Cogent and onto Hurricane since we have a much bigger pipe with them. This helps us mitigate attacks plus it solves some latency and routing issues Cogent's been having in KC lately.
Cogent has agreed to run us a 10Gbit circuit but they want to wait untill KCIX's contract is up.
In addition you have the Google question. Before we sign with Cogent we'd like to see what Google's going to do in KC. If they truely decide to open up thier fiber it'll allow quite a few new bandwidth choices for us. Also, we have a customer that, while they don't sell bandwidth in the US (only in Europe) they would sell to us. That's an attractive option for us as well.
and.... That could all change if our current negotiations with the city go well and we're able to consrtuct the new 110,000 sq ft facility we've been working on for the last year....
to many things in flux right now to give to a good answer.Aaron Wendel
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06-08-2011, 04:24 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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I don't see how, except if it is for specific customers and their associated netblocks. (Virpus would be my guess)
Outbound routing to Cogent-sourced prefixes is taking a path of HE.net -> Telia -> Cogent.
Code:2 69.30.209.124 (69.30.209.124) 0.588 ms 0.869 ms 1.105 ms 3 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.mci2.he.net (216.66.79.9) 1.260 ms 1.314 ms 1.393 ms 4 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.mci1.he.net (184.105.213.1) 1.563 ms 1.631 ms 1.701 ms 5 10gigabitethernet6-1.core1.chi1.he.net (72.52.92.1) 15.937 ms 16.208 ms 16.286 ms 6 chi-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.104.213) 11.823 ms 11.451 ms 11.262 ms 7 te0-3-0-0.ccr21.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.12.33) 55.902 ms 55.840 ms 55.901 ms 8 te0-4-0-1.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.25.69) 55.515 ms 55.442 ms 55.599 ms 9 te0-1-0-1.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.237) 55.718 ms 55.828 ms 55.912 ms 10 cogentco.com (38.100.128.10) 55.935 ms 55.474 ms 55.456 ms
I don't want to keep harping on this, but what you're saying doesn't line up with any observable behavior or routing table data.Eric Spaeth
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06-08-2011, 08:14 PM #34
You can't discern the way anyone pushes traffic without intimate knowledge of thier network. Here's a quick trace from my desk:
Tracing route to cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.100
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 208.110.69.177
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 69.30.209.126
4 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 206.51.7.129
5 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms gi0-2.na01.b006290-1.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [3
8.100.176.225]
6 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms gi1-45.3510.mpd01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.1
12.32.69]
7 24 ms 24 ms 25 ms te0-3-0-2.mpd22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.30.165]
8 58 ms 54 ms 53 ms te0-2-0-3.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.6.254]
9 58 ms 57 ms 54 ms te0-0-0-1.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.40.233]
10 39 ms * 39 ms te4-2.mpd01.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.29.
122]
11 54 ms 54 ms 56 ms cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
Trace complete.
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06-10-2011, 03:36 PM #35Problem Solver
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That is not a valid example since you can purposely make that occur. What would be a more valid test would be, if customers actually saw that expected behavior, which no one has seen yet. I have several customers with your datacenter, I haven't been able to reach a route that did not leave or enter your DC using HE.net.
Either cogent was purposely cut off for most customers (probably due to a capacity issue since you only have 1gbit), or there is a misconfiguration on your network.Last edited by Steven; 06-10-2011 at 03:40 PM.
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06-10-2011, 03:42 PM #36/home/xenos
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My server from Datashack travels from HE to Cogent as Steven mentioned.
Tracing route to cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ***.***.***.***
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ***.***.***.***
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.mci2.he.net [216.66.79.9]
4 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.mci1.he.net [184.105.213.1]
5 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms 10gigabitethernet6-1.core1.chi1.he.net [72.52.92.1]
6 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms chi-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.104.213]
7 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms te0-3-0-0.ccr21.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.12.33]
8 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms te0-3-0-0.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.9]
9 37 ms 37 ms 37 ms te0-0-0-1.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.40.233]
10 37 ms * * te4-2.mpd01.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.29.122]
11 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
Trace complete.
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06-10-2011, 04:33 PM #37Web Hosting Evangelist
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Xenos,
Odd, we have a system over there (one Aaron doesn't know about :-P) but our trace seems to take KCIX then Cogent as expected for tracing to "cogentco.com"
2 69.30.209.126 (69.30.209.126) 23.973 ms 23.530 ms 23.465 ms <- Wholesale Internet IP
3 206.51.7.129 (206.51.7.129) 23.650 ms 23.768 ms 23.432 ms <- KCIX
4 gi0-2.na01.b006290-1.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.100.176.225) 24.216 ms 27.272 ms 27.494 ms <- Cogent
I am not sure why ping time is so high for the second hop since it should still be inside wholesale, but it still shows a trace going through KCIX and then to Cogent as expected....
Strange.
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06-10-2011, 05:28 PM #38Web Hosting Master
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This is a true statement, but I still have a statistically significant number of data points both privately and through this thread to make a pretty reasonable guess as to how routing is setup for egress.
Seeing as you're still advertising prefixes of a couple colo customers to Cogent via KCIX, I have no problem with the statement that you're using it for outbound for some netblocks as well.
The specific charge I'm making is that it's disingenuous to present your network as multi-homed (presumably to give your customers the impression that redundancy exists) when the loss of the HE.net connection alone pretty much signals "Game Over."
We've already charted that most hosts are not taking egress paths through Cogent, and by your own statement:
So if you lose the 10gig to HE that the majority of your customer's traffic is currently transversing, that Cogent path doesn't have enough capacity to be very useful.Eric Spaeth
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06-10-2011, 09:00 PM #39Web Hosting Master
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This thread kind of went off topic...
I ordered an i7 from Datashack on Wednesday and received it today. I run OpenVZ nodes and this server is the first time I have *ever* received a server set up the correct way (partitions, services, etc) on the first try from any datacenter.
With the exception of a small iptables issue, everything is perfect so far. I had to submit a few tickets after the server was provisioned and the average response was probably 10 minutes.
So far, I'm extremely happy with Datashack. The support and price is really unbeatable at this point. I'll definitely be going to them for future servers if this first day is any glimpse of what's to come.
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Also Datashack offers a sex core server: http://www.datashack.net/ds.php, https://clients.admo.net/screens/2011-06-10_2002.png :-)
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06-11-2011, 01:17 AM #41Aspiring Evangelist
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Aaron,
traffic even to cogent really goes thru HE.net:
traceroute to cogentco.com (38.100.128.10), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 208.110.93.1 (208.110.93.1) 1.250 ms 2.163 ms 3.073 ms
2 69.30.209.124 (69.30.209.124) 3.671 ms 3.940 ms 4.181 ms
3 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.mci2.he.net (216.66.79.9) 4.312 ms 4.376 ms 4.422 ms
4 10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.mci1.he.net (184.105.213.1) 4.396 ms 4.467 ms 4.526 ms
5 10gigabitethernet6-1.core1.chi1.he.net (72.52.92.1) 14.828 ms 14.912 ms 14.994 ms
6 chi-bb1-link.telia.net (213.248.104.213) 14.823 ms 10.759 ms 10.772 ms
7 te0-3-0-0.ccr21.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.12.33) 37.642 ms 37.505 ms 37.678 ms
8 te0-2-0-1.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.97) 37.728 ms 37.553 ms 37.784 ms
9 te0-0-0-1.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.233) 37.529 ms 37.508 ms 37.747 ms
10 te4-2.mpd01.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.29.122) 37.900 ms 37.945 ms *
11 cogentco.com (38.100.128.10) 37.557 ms 37.442 ms 37.426 msLast edited by Ilya74; 06-11-2011 at 01:20 AM.
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06-11-2011, 05:33 AM #42Junior Guru Wannabe
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contact Datashack
I'm trying to contact Datashack to make a few questions but i don't see any contact email on their site . Can anyone knows how to contact theme ?
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06-11-2011, 05:44 AM #43Aspiring Evangelist
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bloodram,
I suppose you should open ticket here - http://billing.datashack.net/submitt...tep=2&deptid=3 or send PM to Brooks (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?u=340992).
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I tracert Cogentco.com it cogento only no goes thru HE.net
C:\Users\administrator>tracert cogentco.com
Tracing route to cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 22 ms 97 ms 21 ms 10.169.212.178
3 110 ms 20 ms 31 ms 10.169.212.173
4 * * * *
5 * * * *
6 * * * *
7 * * * *
8 * * * *
9 * * * *
10 * * * *
11 * * * *
12 227 ms 229 ms 227 ms vl203.mpd03.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.76.
9]
13 234 ms 228 ms 229 ms te0-0-0-6.ccr21.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.28.141]
14 265 ms 263 ms 264 ms te0-0-0-5.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.0.222]
15 289 ms 289 ms 290 ms te0-1-0-6.ccr21.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.29.5]
16 290 ms 292 ms * te0-0-0-7.ccr21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.28.213]
17 292 ms 289 ms 292 ms te0-2-0-0.mpd22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.26.37]
18 * 302 ms 346 ms te4-2.mpd01.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.29.
122]
19 292 ms 290 ms 289 ms cogentco.com [38.100.128.10]
Trace complete.
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06-11-2011, 06:40 AM #45I route, therefore I am
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I know Wholesale heavily prefers HE routes over Cogent. Since I'm a customer (obviously) and have stood in their network room and seen the connections for myself I can verify that Wholesale has a Cogent connection.
In fact, Cogent is a customer of Wholesale Internet's so their equipment in in a rack right next to HE's, who is also a customer. Most of the providers servicing Oak Tower colo their equipment with Wholesale.Brooks Brown, NOCIX, LLC http://www.nocix.net
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06-14-2011, 01:07 PM #47Junior Guru Wannabe
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oops 401 error on the site.. not so reliable today
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06-14-2011, 01:19 PM #49Web Hosting Master
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What does a 401 web site error have to do with the reliability of their dedicated service?
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06-14-2011, 01:25 PM #50Hello World
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