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    Looking For Unlimited Inodes in Shared Hosting

    Hi,

    I know that might be too much to ask, but is there a host out there that doesn't limit there inodes in a shared hosting enviroment? No I don't want to go up to VPS hosting, just shared hosting.

    I don't mind having my disk space or bandwidth limited, but it's just the number of inodes that I'm concerned with. Does anyone know of a good host that does this and can still maintain their hosting speed? Some offer this, but the speed is really slow. Any suggestions?

    Thanks!
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    How much are you looking to spend?
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    Around what shared hosting goes for ...
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    Your best bet would to stay away from an unlimited storage host (which you said you don't mind).

    Other than that, look through the host terms of service and ask them directly if they limit inodes.
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    They need an 'unlimited size' hard drive to accomplish this.
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    How many files do you actually need to host?
    How big are these files?
    How often are they accessed?
    What is your actual monthly budget?
    Do you have any other requirements?
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    This is most likely going to be something you will need to flat out ask the host what their policy is. You will probably not find many hosts that advertise this and they will handle it on a case by case basis. My suggestion would be to get a list together of some hosts you are interested in and contact them and ask directly. For what this may cost, might be time to consider moving to a VPS server which gives you more resources and more control :-)
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    Most hosting providers that limit your disk space/bandwidth do not limit your inodes
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    Quote Originally Posted by MostHost View Post
    They need an 'unlimited size' hard drive to accomplish this.
    Nope, wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Nelson View Post
    Nope, wrong.
    Actually every file system, that I know of, has a limitation of how many inodes/files/folders/file system entries it can have/keep track of. In EXT3 it's based off of the size of the file system where as in some file systems it's static.

    Even if a provider were to offer you "unlimited" inodes, realistically the server does have a hard limit, at some point.

    Here's a huge EXT3 partition for example:
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    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdb3             2.7T  1.2T  1.4T  46% /
    Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
    /dev/sdb3            731119616 7820017 723299599    2% /
    This means that on a 2.7 TB partition there are 731,119,616 inodes available and that roughly 2% of those are in use... Now on a smaller partition for example:

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    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sda5             537G  450G   59G  89% /
    Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
    /dev/sda5            145162240 10802944 134359296    8% /
    You can see that this 537 GB partition there are only 145,162,240 inodes available meaning that even if you were placed on that server and offered "unlimited" inodes, there would eventually be a hard limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDVB View Post
    Actually every file system, that I know of, has a limitation of how many inodes/files/folders/file system entries it can have/keep track of. In EXT3 it's based off of the size of the file system where as in some file systems it's static.

    Even if a provider were to offer you "unlimited" inodes, realistically the server does have a hard limit, at some point.

    Here's a huge EXT3 partition for example:
    Code:
    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sdb3             2.7T  1.2T  1.4T  46% /
    Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
    /dev/sdb3            731119616 7820017 723299599    2% /
    This means that on a 2.7 TB partition there are 731,119,616 inodes available and that roughly 2% of those are in use... Now on a smaller partition for example:

    Code:
    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sda5             537G  450G   59G  89% /
    Filesystem            Inodes   IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
    /dev/sda5            145162240 10802944 134359296    8% /
    You can see that this 537 GB partition there are only 145,162,240 inodes available meaning that even if you were placed on that server and offered "unlimited" inodes, there would eventually be a hard limit.

    Best of luck in your search.
    Touche.

    However I believe that MostHost was confusing inodes with disk space. And I believe one would reach their disk space quota before reaching the maximum inodes limit of the file system.
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    Unlimited space = JBOD RAID or any other good raid.
    The reality is: if you are a 5$ shared customer, most hosts won't afford a 200$ hard drive for you.
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    Unlimited space = JBOD RAID or any other good raid.
    The reality is: if you are a 5$ shared customer, most hosts won't afford a 200$ hard drive for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stach14 View Post
    This is most likely going to be something you will need to flat out ask the host what their policy is. You will probably not find many hosts that advertise this and they will handle it on a case by case basis. My suggestion would be to get a list together of some hosts you are interested in and contact them and ask directly. For what this may cost, might be time to consider moving to a VPS server which gives you more resources and more control :-)
    A VPS package is just as likely to come with a limit as a shared one.
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    I had a site on hostgator that generated a lot of connections. They limited my account and then moved to site5 and everything works fine so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseter View Post
    I had a site on hostgator that generated a lot of connections. They limited my account and then moved to site5 and everything works fine so far.
    So far...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hostgator
    7b.) INODES
    The use of more than 250,000 inodes on any shared account may potentially result in a warning first, and if no action is taken future suspension. Accounts found to be exceeding the 100,000 inode limit will automatically be removed from our backup system to avoid over-usage, however databases will still be backed up. Every file (a webpage, image file, email, etc) on your account uses up 1 inode.

    Sites that slightly exceed our inode limits are unlikely to be suspended; however, accounts that constantly create and delete large numbers of files on a regular basis, have hundreds of thousands of files, or cause file system damage may be flagged for review and/or suspension. The primary cause of excessive inodes seems to be due to users leaving their catchall address enabled, but never checking their primary account mailbox. Over time, tens of thousands of messages (or more) build up, eventually pushing the account past our inode limit. To disable your default mailbox, login to cPanel and choose "Mail", then "Default Address", "Set Default Address", and then type in: :fail: No such user here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Site5
    The total number of inodes in an account may not exceed 75,000. Every file (a webpage, image, email, php file, directory, etc.) on your account uses up one (1) inode. This is not something we actively enforce and it will only become an issue if a client is causing problems for other people on the server. We will of course notify you if this is the case with a full explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseter View Post
    I had a site on hostgator that generated a lot of connections. They limited my account and then moved to site5 and everything works fine so far.
    whats that have to do with inodes?
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    Interesting ... I guess this is a natural outcome of advertising "unlimited disk space" and then putting a limit on the number of files you can have. So folks who want "unlimited" everything are now starting to ask about "unlimited inodes". I find this a bit funny.

    HG's 250,000 inode limit seems pretty large to me. I did a comparison of several accounts to see if I could ascertain a ratio of disk space used to inodes used, looking for a general rule of thumb I could apply. But even comparing two Wordpress sites I found the number of file system objects varied widely. One was consuming just under 20,000 inodes, while hte other was under 5,000. I know why ... the high inode site had installed dozens of templates, each with many tiny image and javascript files.

    A limit on the number of inodes is probably less friendly to the consumer than one on disk space, since most people understand how you can fill up a hard drive. But how do you know when you are reaching your inode limit? I don't think there's a way to find out if you don't have shell access.
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    I'm a bit confused by your post. You say you don't mind being limited on disk space at all.. So why would you want unlimited inodes then?

    You will probably reach your disk space limit before you reach your inode limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HostLeet View Post
    I'm a bit confused by your post. You say you don't mind being limited on disk space at all.. So why would you want unlimited inodes then?

    You will probably reach your disk space limit before you reach your inode limit.
    Not if you have a boatload of very tiny files
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougy View Post
    Not if you have a boatload of very tiny files
    Absolutely - the biggest use of inodes that I usually see is those who store thousands upon thousands of emails in their accounts and use IMAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubservers View Post
    Unlimited space = JBOD RAID or any other good raid.
    The reality is: if you are a 5$ shared customer, most hosts won't afford a 200$ hard drive for you.
    Good point!

    I think people should firstly make clear what is the need. In fact none needs an unlimited share hosting...
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    no "unlimited" disk space or bandwidth. We are not able to buy an "unlimited" hardisk, aren't we? site slowness maybe because your traffic is too high till your hosting package cannot support. to minimize the problem, please upgrade your hosting package.
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    Windows hosting plan has less restriction on the inodes. For linux based service, I would suggest fatcow. as far as I know they do not have such restriction.
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