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    Thumbs down REDSTATION - False advertising

    Their 150TB bandwidth offers are bogus. They limited the speed to my servers to I am not sure what, but surely is unacceptable rate, I am getting download speeds of less than 1kb/s.

    When contacted support they responded with this:
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    Your servers connection speeds have all been limited due to contravention of our Terms and Conditions of usage.
    
    Content delivery systems are not permitted on our network so your connections have been limited to prevent effective provision of that type of bandwidth usage.
    
    You will need to discuss this with our management team who will be available on Monday at the latest.
    
    Until you have been able to discuss this and come to a resolution your servers will remain limited.
    1. I am not running any type of CDN service, I am serving large downloads, how else would you use 150TB of bandwidth?
    2. Even if I am running a CDN service, which I am not, the rep here states that it is permitted per this post:
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showpo...3&postcount=25

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    What's even worse is that they never notified me of the limit. Very unethical behavior from this once reputable provider.

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    False advertising, isn't that illegal in the UK?
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    Your traffic has been analyzed by our network management specialists due to extremely high bandwidth usage.
    
    This level of bandwidth was putting our other customers at risk and therefore the decision was taken by management to limit your connection speeds.

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    I think its safe to say its clearly oversold, I am curious how much traffic were you using?
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    Not sure how much bandwidth I have been using since they don't provide MRTG graphs, I was only with them for 10 days, I was going to ask them on the 15th day to see where I stand in terms of bandwidth usage. I have 4 servers with them total, 2 of which were put online just yesterday. They limited the speed for all 4 servers.

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    I would personally ask the support team for bandwidth usage in order for us WHT members to know when they may consider caping the speeds.

    Thanks.

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    Since I paid for 150TB of bandwidth I should get 150TB of bandwidth. Why should WHT members and other clients accept a caping of the speeds? They also capped it without notifying me at all, according to my research, this has been capped for at least 16 hours already.

    1. Unethical behavior caping speeds without notifying the client. Think about it, if I never brought up the poor speeds issue with them, would they even tell me that they put a cap on it?
    2. I paid for 150TB of bandwidth, I did not exceed my bandwidth allocation, but they are saying I am using "extremely high bandwidth usage"?
    3. The server comes with a 1gbit port, looks like they limited it to a 10mbit port or worse

    This isn't what I paid for, this is 100% false advertising and how they capped the speeds without telling me about it is pretty unethical IMO.

    Normally I'd give the provider the benefit of the doubt before making a post but they have frustrated me with their support for the past few days and now a sudden unwarranted cap of my server speeds. I feel WHT members should know about what they have done and how they plan on resolving this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasebug View Post
    Since I paid for 150TB of bandwidth I should get 150TB of bandwidth. Why should WHT members and other clients accept a caping of the speeds? They also capped it without notifying me at all, according to my research, this has been capped for at least 16 hours already.

    1. Unethical behavior caping speeds without notifying the client. Think about it, if I never brought up the poor speeds issue with them, would they even tell me that they put a cap on it?
    2. I paid for 150TB of bandwidth, I did not exceed my bandwidth allocation, but they are saying I am using "extremely high bandwidth usage"?
    3. The server comes with a 1gbit port, looks like they limited it to a 10mbit port or worse

    This isn't what I paid for, this is 100% false advertising and how they capped the speeds without telling me about it is pretty unethical IMO.

    Normally I'd give the provider the benefit of the doubt before making a post but they have frustrated me with their support for the past few days and now a sudden unwarranted cap of my server speeds. I feel WHT members should know about what they have done and how they plan on resolving this.
    Most 100TB/150TB deals are scams. They have all kinds of crazy restrictions. They can get away with it because there TOS states they can limit or terminate you at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasebug View Post
    Since I paid for 150TB of bandwidth I should get 150TB of bandwidth. Why should WHT members and other clients accept a caping of the speeds?
    You shouldn't, you just need a better provider.
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    I've tried 100TB type of deals from multiple providers, most of them have been honest and don't pull things like what I have encountered here. I am still waiting for redstation management to respond, maybe they will honor their deal and actually give me what I paid for.

    You're right that companies can terminate you for any bogus reason at any time but at the same time, they run the risk of negative publicity. Forums like WHT is a great medium to remind providers to stop false advertising like what appeared to have happened here.

    Google likes WHT a lot, I am pretty sure my thread is already indexed so whoever looking for redstation reviews will find this thread.

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    Chasebug,

    As you were aware prior to your order (as you stated), Redstation restricts usage of CDN and Media Streaming in our Fair Usage Policy to a maximum of 20TB of transfer.

    Firstly in defense, we have let you exceed 80TB of usage in 2 weeks on your service.

    Secondly Redstation allows CDN to a restricted level to 20TB maximum, to which we only restrict your bandwidth usage afterwards.

    100TB.com, disallows any use of CDN on there network in the Terms and Conditions.

    Leaseweb, terms allow "(b) re-price any or all Customer servers with this Service to the regular bandwidth rate;".

    Redstation never Charge overusage fees to our customers and don't prohibit your service from our network. We have restricted your service to a level to which you can continue to use your servers.

    Our Fair Usage Policy is designed to be just that 'Fair'.
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    1. I am not running a CDN
    2. You restricted the bandwidth for ALL 4 OF MY SERVERS, including the 2 servers that I just got 2 days ago, so tell me how is that FAIR?

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    Redstation, so we can be clear, please give some examples of what you consider non CDN usage of 150TB. Are we just allowed 150TB of wordpress traffic? do we need to host our .jpgs somewhere else??

    The OP is not running a commercial CDN from what we can tell and has not exceeded 150TB by a long way.

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    I am not using the servers for CDN, they are for file serving purposes. Convince me why I shouldn't feel that it is a poorly put together excuse to limit my servers especially when your support tech admitted that I was limited because

    "This level of bandwidth was putting our other customers at risk and therefore the decision was taken by management to limit your connection speeds."


    Here is the full message by your support staff:
    Your traffic has been analyzed by our network management specialists due to extremely high bandwidth usage.

    This level of bandwidth was putting our other customers at risk and therefore the decision was taken by management to limit your connection speeds.

    I'm afraid that I do not have the power to remove the limits placed on your servers without authorisation by our management team.

    I have passed on your comments and made management aware of your response. They will comment on this ticket as soon as possible.

    With regards to the comment from webhosting talk, I cannot comment directly on this. My comment regarding CDN was based on information verbally given to me and may not be strictly accurate. This can be confirmed by the management response. However, my first 2 above statements show the reason for limiting of your services.

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    Chasebug

    What are you running ?

    Thanks

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    Our AUP is designed to protect all users.

    For clarity and so the community can design if this is a CDN then the website is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasebug Redstation Ticket
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    Please remove my website from the thread on WHT. I never permitted you to post my website.
    Further the HotLink functionality is viloating resale of bandwidth in the AUP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    Our AUP is designed to protect all users.

    ********, the AUP is designed to protect your money. You're selling something for a price that is far to low. Be a man and give customers what they paid for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    Redstation restricts usage of CDN and Media Streaming in our Fair Usage Policy to a maximum of 20TB of transfer.
    Can you define the terms in bold just so everyone is clear?

    "Content delivery" is what every website does technically...
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    hum want to know the issue of this, sound unbeliveble - having 150TB of BW for wordpress blog is not accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    Chasebug,

    As you were aware prior to your order (as you stated), Redstation restricts usage of CDN and Media Streaming in our Fair Usage Policy to a maximum of 20TB of transfer.

    Firstly in defense, we have let you exceed 80TB of usage in 2 weeks on your service.

    Secondly Redstation allows CDN to a restricted level to 20TB maximum, to which we only restrict your bandwidth usage afterwards.

    100TB.com, disallows any use of CDN on there network in the Terms and Conditions.

    Leaseweb, terms allow "(b) re-price any or all Customer servers with this Service to the regular bandwidth rate;".

    Redstation never Charge overusage fees to our customers and don't prohibit your service from our network. We have restricted your service to a level to which you can continue to use your servers.

    Our Fair Usage Policy is designed to be just that 'Fair'.

    I use my servers for serving large file downloads, you compared your CDN policy to that of leaseweb and 100tb.com

    So are you saying that leaseweb and 100tb.com regards a server serving large file downloads as a CDN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    Our AUP is designed to protect all users.

    For clarity and so the community can design if this is a CDN then the website is:



    Further the HotLink functionality is viloating resale of bandwidth in the AUP.

    Very well since you wanted to ask the community here.

    While I don't want to reveal my site, it is comparable to these:
    http://uploadingit.com/
    http://www.esnips.com/
    http://www.qdrive.net/

    User's files are stored at 1 location only, there are no copies of the files on any other location/server.
    There is no redundancy, does not failover, etc.

    Tell me how does this fit the definition of a CDN including that of leaseweb and 100tb.com since you compared it to those 2 companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qirus View Post
    ********, the AUP is designed to protect your money. You're selling something for a price that is far to low. Be a man and give customers what they paid for.
    As stated the AUP is designed to protect users.

    It is fair to say that any host offering 100TB+ is unlikely to make a profit on servers if people use this amount of bandwidth, despite what any provider may tell you.

    Some providers offer extortionate bandwidth over usage rates or very low caps. Redstation have bundled all our dedicated servers with high bandwidth usage and we have some customers using bandwidth beyond 150TB today.

    We have bundled this transfer so the majority of users do not need to worry about their bandwidth usage and make it less complicated when choosing a provider. As a cost to Redstation as per any provider we will make a loss on a customers who use high bandwidth usage but we are prepared for this and honour their bandwidth deals.

    In order to ensure that the vast amounts of users enjoy the flexibility and can be confident of no over usage charges it is necessary to restrict some types of commercial usage. Redstation also has some of the lowest price commercial transit in the UK today with 95th percentile transit from 70p/mbps without FUP, bandwidth is normally only found cheaper in major internet hubs in the USA when purchasing large quantities.

    A popular wordpress blog site would not of course not be considered a CDN unless used to distribute downloads.

    In the select case of the user in this post, he used in excess of 80TB of transfer in under 2 weeks. The usage was hosting files which would be linked to from other sites. Packages were sold to his customers for content hosting, If you are not running a CDN or Streaming then you have nothing to worry about with Redstation or most other 100TB+ providers (always check competitor T&Cs).

    We have restored full service to the customer in this thread without charge so he can continue while complying with our AUP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    A popular wordpress blog site would not of course not be considered a CDN unless used to distribute downloads.

    In the select case of the user in this post, he used in excess of 80TB of transfer in under 2 weeks. The usage was hosting files which would be linked to from other sites. Packages were sold to his customers for content hosting, If you are not running a CDN or Streaming then you have nothing to worry about with Redstation or most other 100TB+ providers (always check competitor T&Cs).

    We have restored full service to the customer in this thread without charge so he can continue while complying with our AUP.
    Your definition of a CDN is a website being used to distribute downloads? You compared your CDN policy to leaseweb and 100tb.com Are you saying that they also regard any site that is used to distribute downloads as a CDN? Frankly, I don't think anybody in the web hosting business would consider that as a CDN. Maybe we can get the community's opinion on this or leaseweb/100tb.com since you compared your CDN policy to theirs....

    Yes, packages were sold for content hosting but the content for those packages are stored on servers I have with 100tb.com because of their vastly superior network. They are not stored at redstation servers and I already explained this to you when you falsely accused me.

    So I used 80TB of bandwidth, but I have 2 servers so I have 300TB of bandwidth allocated. You capped the speed to 12mbps when I only used a little more than 25% of the bandwidth. When you capped the speed of my servers, you did not notify me about this, I didn't know about it until more than 16 hours later when I discovered it myself. How is this in any way ethical or acceptable? You also capped 2 other servers that were setup just 2 days ago, those servers have barely used any bandwidth. In fact, the 4th server was only operational for less than 6 hours! Why were they capped?

    I am not trying to purposely discredit your company, everything I posted in this thread is accurate. I only want a fair resolution to this matter. In particular, I want redstation to acknowledge that my site is not a CDN and I am allowed to use the full 150TB of bandwidth. In the meantime, I am limiting the bandwidth to their AUP policy until they acknowledge they identified my site wrong.

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    I am going to use my favorite WHT Line ever "I wouldn't touch Redstation with a 10 foot pole"

    If a provider offers 100TB a client should be able to use that 100TB, it shouldn't matter if they have a CDN, streaming media website.

    The definication of a CDN would be "content delivery network" that's basically anything that offers content delivery, a website also is content delivery.

    For Redstation it seems they use this broad interpretation to be able to c(r)ap every client that uses either 1)too much bandwidth or 2)doesn't have enough servers so they can split that bandwidth and thus never sell what they offer

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    seems to me, redstation is just another "shared hosting" company that has hidden agenda, overselling and unreasonable policys that makes it almost impossible to reach the bandwidth allotment.
    Redstation might aswell change 150tb bandwidth to unlimited

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redstation View Post
    It is fair to say that any host offering 100TB+ is unlikely to make a profit on servers if people use this amount of bandwidth, despite what any provider may tell you.

    ...

    We have bundled this transfer so the majority of users do not need to worry about their bandwidth usage and make it less complicated when choosing a provider.



    Quote Originally Posted by Maikon View Post
    seems to me, redstation is just another "shared hosting" company that has hidden agenda, overselling and unreasonable policies that makes it almost impossible to reach the bandwidth allotment.
    Redstation might aswell change 150tb bandwidth to unlimited
    I couldn't agree more.
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    Anyone who thought the UK could provide such cheap hosting is kidding themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguruhost View Post
    I am going to use my favorite WHT Line ever "I wouldn't touch Redstation with a 10 foot pole"

    If a provider offers 100TB a client should be able to use that 100TB, it shouldn't matter if they have a CDN, streaming media website.

    The definication of a CDN would be "content delivery network" that's basically anything that offers content delivery, a website also is content delivery.

    For Redstation it seems they use this broad interpretation to be able to c(r)ap every client that uses either 1)too much bandwidth or 2)doesn't have enough servers so they can split that bandwidth and thus never sell what they offer
    There IS a difference between content delivery and CDN. A content delivery network or content distribution network (CDN) is a system of computers containing copies of data placed at various nodes of a network.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network

    My site clearly does not have any of those characteristics. It is generally understood and universally accepted in the web hosting world that a website that allows users to download files is not considered a CDN.

    If they are going to deviate from the norm, they need to have listed it clearly in the "fair usage policy" but they had never done so this is clearly a case of bait and switch IMO.

    When I ordered, I read their policy pages and they never mentioned their interpretation of "CDN" was so much different from what is universally accepted.

    Leaseweb and 100TB.com actually allows you to use all 100% of their "100TB deals" while Redstation will only allow you to use 13.3% of their "100TB deals".
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    duplicate post
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    I can confirm that some of our clients have similar file hosting sites running on 100TB/SL machines with no issues. This is not a CDN.
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    Thanks for the heads up, I was about to take out a 150TB plan with redstation for another project, as the project involves a website and downloads and according to redstation from what I have read here this would constitute content delivery (ridiculous) they just lost a customer.
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    What wouldn't fall under content delivery?

    SSH? You're delivering a terminal
    HTTP? You're delivering content/pages
    FTP? You're delivering content to the server or back

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    How many people can actually use 150TB of bandwidth on a server that is not doing CDN, streaming, or even downloads? A website that allows users to download files is not considered a CDN as many have echoed here. Since they failed to mention that they treat a website that has downloads as a CDN during signup but decided to label it as such after I have paid, this is UNETHICAL, MISLEADING, AND ILLEGAL. They have misled everybody who signed up for a 150TB plan who were planning to use them for serving downloads. UK has very strong consumer protection laws, false advertising is illegal.

    Are these 20TB servers fraudulently disguised as 150TB servers?

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    After asking for the community's opinion, aren't they going to come back here to update this thread?

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    Which? or Watchdog... hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compadre View Post
    Which? or Watchdog... hmmm.
    Unfortunately they are generally only interested in consumer rights, whereas it would probably be argued that this is business-to-business.
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    But the ASA would potentially be interested as they are now allowed to police claims made on web sites.

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    But the ASA would potentially be interested as they are now allowed to police claims made on web sites.
    True, it would be interesting to see if the ASA is as toothless as the ICO in practise
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    Quote Originally Posted by chasebug View Post
    Since I paid for 150TB of bandwidth I should get 150TB of bandwidth. Why should WHT members and other clients accept a caping of the speeds?
    Here's another thought:
    Why should the WHT users continue to suffer poor network speeds because of your servers and activities?

    Now, I'm not saying the company is in the right here, but let's face facts. You are on a shared network costing their clients speed. Should this be allowed to simply continue, or should it be resolved? Of course, they need to resolve the issue.

    This is a 'duh' case, honestly. Looking at their offers, only a fool would purchase these thinking they're going to get 150TB. Common sense is required, but seldom found.

    Edit:
    Another case of "I didn't read before I signed up" as well
    From their Fair Usage Policy (which I'm sure you had to agree to before signing up)

    Restricted bandwidth provided with the Service is provided for normal, fair, and reasonable use and must not exceed 20TB per month
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    Quote Originally Posted by linux-tech View Post
    Here's another thought:
    Why should the WHT users continue to suffer poor network speeds because of your servers and activities?

    Now, I'm not saying the company is in the right here, but let's face facts. You are on a shared network costing their clients speed. Should this be allowed to simply continue, or should it be resolved? Of course, they need to resolve the issue.

    This is a 'duh' case, honestly. Looking at their offers, only a fool would purchase these thinking they're going to get 150TB. Common sense is required, but seldom found.

    Edit:
    Another case of "I didn't read before I signed up" as well
    From their Fair Usage Policy (which I'm sure you had to agree to before signing up)
    Are you serious? The customer PURCHASED usage of 150TB bandwidth regardless of whether it hurts anyone else on the same network. If they can't supply the bandwidth for a customer to actually use 150TB of bandwidth completely then they don't need to be selling it as 150TB of bandwidth usage. The customer stated that he does not have a CDN, and only does file downloads.

    Also, http://www.redstation.com/dedicated_servers.html WHY ARE THEY SAYING YOU GET 150TB, AND THEN STATING IN THE FUP THAT YOU ONLY GET 20TB. I SAY SUE THEM FOR FALSE ADVERTISING. DO IT, DO IT, DO IT.

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