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05-29-2011, 12:30 AM #26Disabled
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Cisco 6500 have many interface you can use. And you can choose your Engine card for your network.
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05-29-2011, 12:41 AM #27Junior Guru
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Just curious why is Cisco so much cheaper with the 6500 series" I thought Cisco was usually more expensive than Juniper.
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05-29-2011, 12:57 AM #28Web Hosting Guru
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The 6500 series was launched in 1999. Despite the age, they still work really well for some people. I'm sure the OP could easily get a used setup for under $30k. We've been real happy with Network Liquidators (now Vology). They are more expensive than other resellers but they offer a lifetime warranty (as long as Cisco still sells the product). They have been really good at getting us replacements within 24 hours the couple times we had stuff fail.
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05-29-2011, 01:03 AM #29Junior Guru
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05-29-2011, 03:30 AM #30THE Web Hosting Master
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6500's have been used by so many people for so long that gear is all over the secondary market. Then, unlike Juniper, Cisco will gladly support and warranty any of that 2nd hand gear through their Smartnet program without recertification or anything. Makes it easy then to get cheap second hand gear while still being backed by quality support.
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05-29-2011, 10:53 AM #31Web Hosting Master
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Vista Computers has some insane deals on the 6500s.
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05-29-2011, 11:31 AM #32Web Hosting Master
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The chassis itself will generally be cheap, but you'll want to get brand new power supplies and fan tray and a 720-3BXL if you want full routes.
Personally I'd go for the 6503-E chassis.Darren Lingham - Stablepoint Hosting
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05-29-2011, 12:29 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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You don't want to waste a rack with a 6513-E? SHucks...
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05-29-2011, 04:06 PM #35Junior Guru Wannabe
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05-29-2011, 04:32 PM #36Now renamed!
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BGP, etc.. does it even work?!?! I'm curious..
But this are the more expensive boards, basically PC hardware like Vyatta.
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05-30-2011, 03:10 AM #37THE Web Hosting Master
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06-09-2011, 05:53 AM #38Now renamed!
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I got that configurations now, while they dont exactly match they are fine for our port needs but i am unsure about cmpatibility of the parts:
Code:1 WS-C6506 1 WS-C6K-6SLOT-FAN2 2 WS-CAC-3000W 1 WS-SUP720-3BXL 1 WS-SUP32-10GE-3B 1 MEM-XCEF720-1GB 1 MEM-MSFC3-1GB #INPUT: 2x1GF OUTPUT 2x10GF 1 WS-C6506 1 WS-C6K-6SLOT-FAN2 2 WS-CAC-3000W 1 WS-X6704-10GE 1 WS-SUP32-10GE-3B 1 MEM-XCEF720-1GB 1 MEM-MSFC3-1GB #INPUT:2x10G OUTPUT: 4x10G 1 WS-C6504-E 1 FAN-MOD-4HS 2 PWR-2700-AC/4 1 VS-S720-10G-3CXL 1 WS-X6704-10GE #INPUT: 2x10GF 1x1GE 2x1GX OUTPUT: 4x10G
I honestly have no idea about cisco, so please advise me if above configurations are good
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06-09-2011, 06:02 AM #39Lord of live chats
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I would highly recommend you talk to a cisco sales rep
Taking advise on here is good and all, however if you get it wrong it could cost you a fair bit.Live Chat Support Software for your Business website - IMsupporting.com
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Well of course i will not set it up but pay someone to do it and take care of it, this is just the first stage of finding compatible hardware
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06-09-2011, 09:53 AM #41WHT Addict
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You won't be able to run a SUP720-3BXL and a SUP32-10GE-3B in the same chassis. If you want 10gig, buy a 6704 or 6708 line card.
Your earlier requirements stated enough route capacity for a full IPv4 routing table. You won't be able to do that with a sup32... need the sup720-3BXL.
Also, if you are planning to do a lot of 10gig, this configuration would probably be better with a 6708 line card. Always try to avoid the 6704 line card if possible due to the small port buffers.
A workable solution but again.. if you plan to deploy more 10gig in the future try to buy the 6708 line card up front w/ DFC and avoid the much smaller port buffers on the 6704 card.
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As someone mentioned, talk to a Cisco Sales Rep before you spend any money getting hardware and even when you are looking for hardware.
They will be more knowledgeable about the capabilities of their hardware(most of the time). It will generally be much faster in a way of a response as well since you won't be going back and forth.Dan Sheppard ~ Freelance whatever
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06-09-2011, 08:51 PM #43Web Hosting Master
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The 6513-E chassis won't ship until the new Sup-2T starts shipping. The current 6513s are rather lame as only slots 9-13 support dual-fabric attachment to get the full 40gbps per slot -- slots 1-8 are limited to 20gbps/slot.
No matter what, you only want to buy a 650x-E chassis at this point -- it's the only chassis with a future. Cisco is already starting to phase out support for the non-E chassis.Eric Spaeth
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10-29-2011, 08:38 AM #44WHT Addict
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There are a few DFC options outlined there: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/coll...d8017a5db.html Table2 If you run a 6704 with a DFC3B you still wouldn't be able to do hardware routing with the full table correct? You would need to add the DFC3BXL card to a 6704 line card in order to do hardware routing with full tables according the the linked documentation I provided.
Also even with the 6708 line card you would need the DFC3CXL in order to do full table hardware routing?
Cisco documentation says the DFC3C supports 256,000 routes and the DFC3CXL supports 1 million routes. Is the route capacity of these 10Gbit line cards necessary to account for if you're using a sup720-3bxl supporting 1 million routes? and if so wouldn't it also be necessary on the 1Gbit line cards?
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10-29-2011, 11:23 AM #45Web Hosting Master
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Brocade RX platform is more than adequate and very common on the used market.
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10-29-2011, 12:21 PM #46Web Hosting Master
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So you guys see this thread is approx 5 months old?
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10-29-2011, 01:30 PM #47WHT Addict
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Who cares? It is a valid question pertaining to another post in the thread and it has not been answered yet.
In the 6500 system, the feature set is equal to the least capable DFC or MSFC in the system. If you use a DFC which does not support all of the features the MSFC or other DFCs are capable of, it will down scale the entire system to match the lower spec'd DFC.
This means if you use a DFC3C or DFC3B in a system with the 3BXL MSFC, the system will no longer support 1 million routes. You always want to match or exceed the capabilities of the MSFC when choosing the correct DFC for your line cards.
You can read more about this behavior on the 6500 platform here: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/...809a7673.shtml
One way to gain some of the advantages of switch fabric while avoiding the more costly DFC3BXL is to stick with the CFC on your line cards. Keep in mind CFCs will only have a fraction of the performance capabilities of the DFC's, but it is quite easy to replace the daughtercard with a DFC later on. You can also mix DFC's and CFC's on different line cards in the same chassis, however performance with that is spotty and it is best to do all or nothing with DFC's.
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