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[anile8]

I'm very happy with FDC. Their service has been great. I'm running into a problem now. My server is pushing 6mbps, and since I'm on 100mbps shared line, it's won't go higher. I think I will almost certainly be upgrading to the dedicated 10mbps, for 360$ month. I already have a server there so I don't think there will be a setup fee. Is there a better deal anywhere?

[TheVoice]

you should be able to get more than 6mbps out of fdc. I'm running 10mbps on one of their celerons for 100 a month.

[anile8]

I emailed them once and their reply was that my server was pushing 5mbps and that was the reason for the slowdown. Sometimes it goes up to 10, then it drops. I supposed I should be satisfied with 6mbps paying 100/month.

[ReliableServers]

Originally posted by anile8
I emailed them once and their reply was that my server was pushing 5mbps and that was the reason for the slowdown. Sometimes it goes up to 10, then it drops. I supposed I should be satisfied with 6mbps paying 100/month.

I would hope you would be, thats a steal even if it was pure cogent.

[hostingsp]

There is also united... you might wanna check it out...
there

$199 ( P4 ) our there $299 ( xeon servers )

Both it 3.000 Gb/s per mo. ( it no extra charge per GiG extra )

Both are 10 MB/s capped server.




Just an ideia

[nuclear]

Originally posted by hostingsp
There is also united... you might wanna check it out...
there

$199 ( P4 ) our there $299 ( xeon servers )

Both it 3.000 Gb/s per mo. ( it no extra charge per GiG extra )

Both are 10 MB/s capped server.




Just an ideia

It's no cost for extra bandwidth because it's very probable that you can't push 3000gb through their network to begin with.

[hostingsp]

Dude his on fdc... are you sayng fdc is better than united ?


Do you have a server on united ?

[nuclear]

Originally posted by hostingsp
Dude his on fdc... are you sayng fdc is better than united ?


Do you have a server on united ?

First of all, my statement had nothing to do with UnitedColo or FDC; and who was better.

Do the math yourself, 10mbit is 3164gb/month. It's a near impossibility to push a constant 10mbit to an external network. You WILL have overhead which will prevent you from ever pushing 10mbit constant, for 30 days, onto the internet.

That's not even taking into account network congestion and the load of UnitedColo's internal network.



Show me one 10mbit capped server that actually pushes 10mbit constantly; rather than 9.7 or 9.8mbit, and I'll gladly accept that I'm wrong.

[anile8]

Does United accept rom sites? My site ran into a few problems with the IDSA and the fellows over at FDC were lineant. My site is in agreement with the IDSA's clauses NOW but I don't know how UC would see that. Do you think the guys at FDC could match UC's price on the 10mbit? Maybe I should contact Petr. It's just that I heard so many awful things about UC here.

This shared 100mbit is already dying on me. My site is starting to top 25k uniques daily so you see where this is a problem. I also have a couple of other sites under way so nice speeds are a must.

[hostingsp]

Nuclear

[quote]I think I will almost certainly be upgrading to the dedicated 10mbps, for 360$ month

Hannn..... do you read people post's our you just search for post where on can speak bad about united ?


You prefered to be on a 100 MB/s uncapped shared it 24 people ?

Can you please see that not ervy body need burstable 100 MB/s ?


Let me ask you something...

What do you thing about this image...

anile8

PS : I don't know check it than

[nuclear]

Originally posted by hostingsp




PS : I don't know check it than

My original post was not about 100mbit vs 10mbit. I was simply pointing out that the $0.00/gb charge for bandwidth over 3,000gb/month is a marketing tactic because if you are lucky enough to reach the 3,000gb mark, you won't be going very far over it and UCG knows this.

FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly. UnitedColo make no such offer; which is why there is a price difference. As for the author of the thread, if your site is mission-critical, it's best to go with a product you know you will receive rather than what you hope to receive.

As for that image, I don't know what that's about, but it's from a server that isnt' even pushing 6mbit...I have no clue how that's relevant.

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FDC's guaranteed bandwidth is on 100mbit burstable lines. The fact that it's guaranteed tells me that they *SHOULDN'T* be overselling it like the shared ones; and since it's not capped at 10mbit, for $360/month, the user very well can push 10mbit. That is the difference between FDC and UCG.

[hostingsp]

FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly. UnitedColo make no such offer;

Do they state what they guaranteed ? All Ok than... my mistake
( NOT )

I don't know why you talk bad about united servers if you never try than... i'm guessing you have a server on fdc than?

[nuclear]

Originally posted by hostingsp



Do they state what they guaranteed ? All Ok than... my mistake
( NOT )

I don't know why you talk bad about united servers if you never try than... i'm guessing you have a server on fdc than?

FDC has a little chart just for their guaranteed bandwidth offer. 10mbit divided by $360 is $36/mbit --VERY cheap especially considering it's not Cogent. It's also burstable to 100mbit, meaning you can not only push your 10mbit, but go over it.

UnitedColo makes no guarantees on their bandwidth and cap their servers at 10mbit--which means with overhead, its unlikely 10mbit will ever be reached in a 30 day period.

So, tell me, if UnitedColo is guaranteed 10mbit, how are they offering it at less than $20/mbit? You can't even get Cogent that low.

Simple fact is, a guaranteed 10mbit connection is going to cost you; and the general pricerange of such is $350-$500 and even higher. You can, of course, go for the lower-end deals--but in the end there's that old saying 'You get what you pay for.'


And no, I do not have a server at FDC, nor do I plan to anytime in the forseeable future. Like I said before, I'm not even getting into the issue of what company is better...I'm speaking purely on technical terms.


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I should also add, that Rackshack offers 10mbit servers in the $350-$399/mo range. They use Cogent for outbound traffic, but you do in fact get the offered bandwidth (Granted you can really only push about 9.8mbit/sec on a constant feed)

Another company to look at would be Nocster/BurstNET; I believe they are a bit more expensive but do not use Cogent and they are multihomed.

[hostingsp]

I prefere united over fdc...

I'm not goin to go in this it you beacuse you don't have a server on united our fdc... Soh i guess you can't really say something about any off there services....

Do you know any one it the guaranted bandwight ?

How United is selling at that prices ?

If you can't see why and how than i guess you don't think too much..


Look at rs they have 6 GiG for over 9.000 client's almost all off than on 100 MB/s burtstable.... now on march 15 they will have 12 GiG-e and something about 10.000

If you are goin to ask me stuff like why and how they can guarante 100 MB/s for each server.....

But hey how can united guaranted 10 MB/s per server if they have about 700-800 client's all on 10 MB/s....

Any way back to the topic

anile8

I wold check it united if they accept rom and etc, but they are a good chose if you don't need 100 MB/s burst...

Any way good luck from me to you drink a cold on the end off the day it helps

[nuclear]

Your posts make no sense at all anymore...

Soh i guess you can't really say something about any off there services....

I didn't say ANYTHING about service offered by either company. I don't care if it was Rackshack making the deals like UnitedColo. You are NOT going to be able to push 10mbit constantly down a 10mbit capped connection. It's just not going to happen.

Do you know any one it the guaranted bandwight ?

No, and I even originally stated that "FDC offers guaranteed bandwidth supposedly." I never said it was truly guaranteed, but for the price, it better be, and if it's not..that's a possible lawsuit because its advertised as guaranteed.

How United is selling at that prices ?

If you can't see why and how than i guess you don't think too much..

You don't know this answer yourself, because you clearly can't calculate what 10mbit of bandwidth equals in a month when you said earlier that extra bandwidth is free; implying you can get more than 10mbit out of a 10mbit capped connection.

Look at rs they have 6 GiG for over 9.000 client's almost all off than on 100 MB/s burtstable.... now on march 15 they will have 12 GiG-e and something about 10.000

If you are goin to ask me stuff like why and how they can guarante 100 MB/s for each server.....

I don't even see your point here, I mentioned Rackshack's 10mbit servers. They host their 10mbit servers on a different GigE, and those you do indeed get 10mbit on, I can say this from experience that a Rackshack 10mbit server will push a steady 9.8mbit (Don't forget there is overhead and you can't push an actual 10mbit) If you had any experience with rackshack at all, the cutoff point for their normal servers seems to be set around 15mbit per transfer; hence it being called burstable because you can have multiple transfers bursting up to 100mbit, but any given transfer will not go far above 15mbit.

But hey how can united guaranted 10 MB/s per server if they have about 700-800 client's all on 10 MB/s....

Ignoring the sarcasm in this point, they can't guarantee that. As far as I know, I'd be willing to bet they only have a GigE connection. Regardless, that isn't the point either...a 10mbit capped connection cannot push 10mbit for 30 days--it's that simple. At best you're going to get around 9.7 or 9.8mbit, which equals 3069gb and 3100gb respectively. Take into account that their network is only single-homed, sustain many DDoS attacks that interrupt service, and the fact that they are definitely overselling their bandwidth (Unlesss they have 8 GigE's sitting around which I doubt) and you're probably down to 9.5mbit or less.

Any way back to the topic

Yes, back to the topic. Anile8, I would take great caution if you wish to consider UnitedColo. I'm sure you can run a search to read all the negativity expressed on WHT; but this time I'm simply warning you that you will likely not get the full 3,000gb they offer because hardware speaking it just isn't feasible on their network. As for FDC, I really don't know how they offer guaranteed bandwidth on a single GigE line with the shared customers--my assumption would be that they do not grossly oversell the bandwidth on that section of their network. I'm sure Petr could explain it better than any of us. If you need an actual 10mbit of bandwidth per month, i would not recommend UnitedColo; I would instead recommend, Rackshack, Noctser/BurstNET, or possibly FDC if they can back up their guarantee. I have personal experience with both Racshack and Nocster servers, and I can tell you, if they offer 10mbit...you're going to get nothing less from them.

I'm not going to bother replying to this thread anymore as hostingsp has a habit of recommending UnitedColo as if they were the only provider on Earth. This would be fine, but if you're going to do so get your facts straight on how networks work first. If you want, I can explain further...just PM me and I'll be happy to get into further detail.