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    Sovereign Citizens - 60 Minutes

    What do you think of Sovereign Citizens?

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    Interesting never heard of them before (doing research on them now). From what I can tell, that particular group, looks like a bunch of crazies. However I will say this, I feel that the mainstream media is increasingly trying to paint anyone who speaks out against the government (even if they are logical thinking citizens) as crazy. My guess is that after many people watch this 60 minutes episode (especially those who do not question the government) will look at anyone who speaks out against the government as one of these crazy "sovereign citizens".

    Example, one can be sitting at the dinner table saying something along the lines of "I very much dislike our government and do not trust them", while another person might react with a statement along the lines of "wait.. dont tell me your one of those crazy sovereign citizens??"

    Just some observations I have been making
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    Observations I've made.
    They are nothing more than a bunch of dangerous idiots who gin up violence against the US.

    They are against all taxes but they have no problem driving on federal highways or using public transportation.
    They live under the freedom that tax payer money provides in the form of the Military, Police, Fire Department, etc, etc, etc.

    They are low lifes. They contribute nothing to society.

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    basically, they are just another bunch of self-centered right wingers then.

    wherever i see these kind of things, including the tea party, libertarians, this, that, i see that words like 'sovereign','free', 'liberty' etc etc are all used for replacement words for 'me me me, my my my, mine mine mine'.

    basically, high principles like these are just used as proxies and carriers for self-centricism.

    and like albino said, these people have no problems enjoying fire department, police, justice, army protection, weather service and all that. but, they just dont want to pay for them. they always blabber about how 'free' and good it is to go 'private', but they stop flat out in their blabbering when you ask them why arent they asking for privatization of police, justice and military then ...

    the downside is, people like these taint those high principles.

    liberty does not mean self-centricism and lack of social responsibility while enjoying ALL the amenities being a society brings.

    go back to a mountain top. then you can be all free, sovereign as you can be, without any social responsibilities back to any kind of society.

    how about that ?

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    Never really herd of it before, but when looking it up the Teaparty comes to mind.
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    Since the link wasn't posted in the original message here is an example of what these Sovereign Citizens are all about.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20062666.shtml

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    thanks for posting that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemer View Post
    What do you think of Sovereign Citizens?
    There's nothing wrong with the real Sovereign Citizens. It's the nut cases that give them a bad name as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FernGullyGraphics View Post
    . . . However I will say this, I feel that the mainstream media is increasingly trying to paint anyone who speaks out against the government (even if they are logical thinking citizens) as crazy. My guess is that after many people watch this 60 minutes episode (especially those who do not question the government) will look at anyone who speaks out against the government as one of these crazy "sovereign citizens".
    It's just another piece of government propaganda that the brain dead masses will eat up without question. Same old same old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbinoOscar View Post
    They are against all taxes but they have no problem driving on federal highways or using public transportation.
    In fairness, they do pay for the roads because there's a ~50/gallon (19 federal + state) gas tax in the US that's supposed to pay for the highway system. But like every other trust fund, a lot of that money doesn't actually go to paying for highways.

    And I'm guessing they also pay property taxes. The county won't put up with you not paying your property taxes. And I'd be very surprised if they didn't pay any sales taxes; that would mean they never buy anything from a store.

    Besides that, nearly all of the federal personal income tax revenue goes to paying for the military/wars, much of which doesn't really benefit the average person.

    The rest is borrowed, and then you'll pay taxes on that anyway through monetization of debt (inflation tax).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike12King View Post
    . . . Besides that, nearly all of the federal personal income tax revenue goes to paying for the military/wars, much of which doesn't really benefit the average person.
    And pretty soon 100% of taxes will just be servicing debt, as the debt just keeps escalating, with everyone thinking the country owes them something.
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    Makes you wonder if the media and the establishment are looking to create another al qaeda (or "white al qaeda"), so they can stage domestic false flag attacks and blame those attacks on this Sovereign Citizen group, in a pretext to steal more of your money and strip you of your basic civil rights?

    Trust your government.
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    Law states that everyone have to pay taxes. If you don't pay you go to jail. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellind2 View Post
    Law states that everyone have to pay taxes. If you don't pay you go to jail. Simple as that.
    buuuuuut them dont want to paaaay.

    them wants to enjoy everything society brings without paying for them's privileges them's taking for granted arent they ..

    ......

    in short, they are basically like spoiled, self-centered, hysterical kids. just that they are older than kids, and have too much amenities and decision power in their hands for the spiritual age they are actually in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellind2 View Post
    Law states that everyone have to pay taxes. If you don't pay you go to jail. Simple as that.
    Which law and which taxes?
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    I understand exactly what you are saying.
    You are anti government.
    You are accusing the press of equating the Sovereign Citizens with terrorists so they can somehow find a "white" counterbalance to the brown terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbinoOscar View Post
    I understand exactly what you are saying.
    No you don't.
    You are anti government.
    No, I just don't trust the government. Do you?

    I'm betting you think it's unpatriotic to not trust your government.
    You are accusing the press of equating the Sovereign Citizens with terrorists so they can somehow find a "white" counterbalance to the brown terrorists.
    Nope, this is nothing to do with a "counterbalance" to anything. You missed it completely. It's about the possibility of the establishment (CIA, media etc etc) demonizing a group of people and using them as the patsy or scape goat for a domestic false flag attack (look that up if you don't know what it means), in order to further their police state agenda and further strip you of your basic civil rights.

    I simply asked if that's what the establishment's agenda is here, with the demoizing of these folks who call themselves Sovereign Citizens, so your insult calling me a "pathetic bigot" is just so far off base, it shows you didn't understand my question to begin with.
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    Actually, yes I do understand what you are saying.
    It's very clear.
    Anti Government.
    Break out the tinfoil hats.

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