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  1. #1
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    Hosting a file sharing site on a CDN?

    Hi there,

    So I'm currently starting a file sharing site. We're specialising in non-licensed music so hopefully we don't get too many DMCA's.

    Anywho I'm looking at option on where to host our content.

    Basically we are looking to have a fast connection to all the major English Speaking countries:
    United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK.

    I've admired how fast downloading speeds are on Soundcloud, which is all hosted on the Akamai CDN.

    Now from what I see, it's kinda hard to signup with Akamai since first you have to find the appropriate reseller and then get a US billing address (I'm in Australia).

    So my question is, is there any other CDN's which have networks in all these countries, most of them down have networks in Australia or NZ which stinks.

    Another option I was considering if building my own mini CDN. So I was thinking have a main storage server based in the US, and then as demand for a certain song increases in a certain country, the song is cached on the nearest server. I also would like to host the web page statically so they load faster. I'm guessing it's going to be alot of work to code it all up but it could be worth while in the end.

    I've found sufficient servers in the US (100tb.com) UK (100tb or maybe OVH which is french but should be fast enough), NZ (Unmetered 100mbps local bandwidth), however in australia I can find any provider that offers more then 200gb of bandwidth without paying some ridiculous amount.

    Now for the first few months, I doubt we will use more then 100gb of space since most tracks are going to be 15mb and only certain people will be allowed to upload content but I'm not too sure how much bandwidth we will use.

    So if anyone has any advice or experience about this, I would really appreciate it if you could help me out!

    Cheers,

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    Peer 1 offers CDN and you don't need a US address. Australia will work just fine.

    http://www.peer1.com/managed/content...ry_network.php

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    OVH is fine for europe, dont bother with 100Tb or similar providers there.

    You most likely dont want to host your files on Akamai, unless you have a DAMN big budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centauricw View Post
    Peer 1 offers CDN and you don't need a US address. Australia will work just fine.

    http://www.peer1.com/managed/content...ry_network.php
    Cheers I had a look, but there doesn't seem to be anything about prices. I'm not sure how fast the network is, when I pinged the cache server, the node it gave me is in Canada, so they don't have any nodes that are closer to me (Australia). I'll email them about pricing see what I get back.

    Quote Originally Posted by EDIS View Post
    OVH is fine for europe, dont bother with 100Tb or similar providers there.

    You most likely dont want to host your files on Akamai, unless you have a DAMN big budget.

    William
    Surprisingly, I get really fast download speeds from Zippyshare, who hosts all their content on OVH even though I'm in Australia.

    Akamai would be cool, I know Soundcloud use it, but of course they are a pretty big website though. I'm guessing the costs can't be that significant, since Soundcloud don't have ads on their site and rely on paid upgrades as their only revenue stream. Maybe it's a option to look into in the future.

    I had a look at prices for Cachefly, Cloudfront and a few others. Bandwidth prices are alright but storage prices are insane. Using a origin server would fix this but not many of them offer pricing for origin servers. I've sent a few emails around so hopefully I can get a better idea.

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    If you are building own CDN then try Aflexi or you may take a look at maxcdn , vps.net or highwinds
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    The main reason why you can't really do a File Server in Australia is because of the INSANELY expensive bandwidth which they charge over there. It's not something that I really specialize it but the bandwidth there is very very expensive and if they give you more than 200GB for the server, you'd be really lucky to get it without paying anything extra.

    Akamai is 1 of the leaders in CDN. With that said, their prices are also not as cheap as the rest in the market. That's the biggest problem that you'll see/find. EdgeCast and HighWinds are also another 2 for you to consider and they do have quite a few POPs around everywhere as well (Akamai's rival).
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumtalk View Post
    If you are building own CDN then try Aflexi or you may take a look at maxcdn , vps.net or highwinds
    Aflexi would be cool, but I reckon that would consume my budget for the whole project in a instant and considering it looks pretty new, not many programmers are going to be familiar with the platform.

    Neither MaxCDN. Vps.net (level3) or highwinds have any POP's in the Southern hemisphere which kinda sucks.

    MaxCdn seem to undersell their intial plan, but they oversell their upgrades. The prices pretty much seem to match Edgecast which has a much better network, so doesn't seem worthwhile.

    Vps.net have alright pricing but their website doesn't really have any info. No idea whether they cache your origin server or you host files directly with them.

    Highwinds don't have any prices on their site, but they seem to be reasonably cheap if you use a considerate amount of data (5tb+).

    Quote Originally Posted by aodat2 View Post
    The main reason why you can't really do a File Server in Australia is because of the INSANELY expensive bandwidth which they charge over there. It's not something that I really specialize it but the bandwidth there is very very expensive and if they give you more than 200GB for the server, you'd be really lucky to get it without paying anything extra.

    Akamai is 1 of the leaders in CDN. With that said, their prices are also not as cheap as the rest in the market. That's the biggest problem that you'll see/find. EdgeCast and HighWinds are also another 2 for you to consider and they do have quite a few POPs around everywhere as well (Akamai's rival).
    Can't agree more.

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    Vps.net have alright pricing but their website doesn't really have any info. No idea whether they cache your origin server or you host files directly with them.
    We can do both actually...

    South America should be turned up soon. Level3 recently worked out a deal with a provider down there to bring in some additional POPs. There is a POP in Sydney, but it's part of the premium package which is $250/tb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsta View Post
    Aflexi would be cool, but I reckon that would consume my budget for the whole project in a instant and considering it looks pretty new, not many programmers are going to be familiar with the platform.
    That is contrary to most beliefs, it's meant to be cheaper

    We can talk if you are looking into that option.

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    I use amazon cloudfront for my images/js/css, maybe that is an option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IGobyTerry View Post
    We can do both actually...

    South America should be turned up soon. Level3 recently worked out a deal with a provider down there to bring in some additional POPs. There is a POP in Sydney, but it's part of the premium package which is $250/tb.
    Ah ok.
    Yea a bit out of my budget, I'm looking for $100/tb or under.

    Quote Originally Posted by wheimeng View Post
    That is contrary to most beliefs, it's meant to be cheaper

    We can talk if you are looking into that option.
    Alright, if you can PM me some more info and maybe show me some estimate costs for setting everything up, that would be great.

    Quote Originally Posted by misspink View Post
    I use amazon cloudfront for my images/js/css, maybe that is an option?
    I looked into it, it's pretty expensive though unless your doing some stupid numbers like 500tb+
    Plus you have to pay for s3 and the transfers between s3 and cloudfront. There's not many nodes either, so I think there are better options out there.

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    Check out Edgecast. They also have a POP in Sydney. I'm not sure what their pricing is like -- it's obviously going to be very volume dependent, but they might have something that fits your needs.

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    If you find cloudfront expensive, akamai is not in your price range. Nor will it ever be, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsta View Post
    Highwinds don't have any prices on their site, but they seem to be reasonably cheap if you use a considerate amount of data (5tb+).
    You may contact HW resellers like "forumtalk". Sometime they offer damn cheap prices even you commit low volume.

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    OVH is really not that bad for US customers. I log all download speeds for my filehosting site and most users reach 500KB/s - 4 MB/s (the artificial maximum I set).

    When you spread out uploads over multiple servers, server load is low on each server and OVH seems to work fine. Don't expect too much but if you don't go for their "unlimited" bandwidth option/low peering you can expect pretty decent speeds most times. I can PM a link for you to test.
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