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    Leaseweb or OVH

    Hey guys,
    I'm trying to work out the better dedicated server offer, One from leaseweb or OVH, leaseweb would come cheaper, What I need to know though is: Does leaseweb have a better network than OVH?

    Hope you can help,
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    I've not used Leaseweb, though I have used OVH. I would say OVH are fantastic! In the past i've always received great speeds from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rishi-GV View Post
    I've not used Leaseweb, though I have used OVH. I would say OVH are fantastic! In the past i've always received great speeds from them.
    I have received good reviews from OVH, apart from their uplink to the US.

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    If you are looking for a dedicated server is there any reason you are limiting yourself to just two companies? I think your best bet is to shop around and get multiple quotes. Also check out the reviews of companies, this board is a great place for that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stach14 View Post
    If you are looking for a dedicated server is there any reason you are limiting yourself to just two companies? I think your best bet is to shop around and get multiple quotes. Also check out the reviews of companies, this board is a great place for that too.
    Because I only have around 70$ budget per month.

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    OVH has 14 public and 17 private peers with other networks/ISPs.
    Leaseweb got 23+22.
    Of course if they renew their peering DB :-)

    Besides that, Leaseweb overall bandwidth capacity and network are great.

    OVH doesn't announces capacity or network, only this:
    http://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/visits/network.xml#

    Leaseweb got this on the other hand,
    http://www.leaseweb.com/en/help/all-...astructure-map

    But except their networks, what about yours ?

    Did you try MTR, traceroutes and ping with both of them to check from your own location hops, latency and loss with them ?
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    never had any (major) problems with OVH. they're the bee's knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel24 View Post
    I have received good reviews from OVH, apart from their uplink to the US.
    So you don't have any direct experience of them?

    Quote Originally Posted by chrismfz View Post
    OVH doesn't announces capacity or network, only this:
    http://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/visits/network.xml#
    Really? What about...

    http://weathermap.ovh.net/

    http://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/ovh_infra.xml

    Leaseweb and OVH both have great European networks. Leaseweb possibly have the edge on USA connections but OVH seem to be doing something about that recently and adding new routes and capacity.

    As chrismfz said, it's really more about where your target audience is. You need to find which suits you best. If you tell us more about your intended usage we might be able to help you better.

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    Doesn't Leaseweb make you pay 3 months in advance if it's under a certain euro amount?

    Also OP, your site's footer is completely screwed up with PHP code leaking out, just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by F-DNS View Post
    So you don't have any direct experience of them?



    Really? What about...

    http://weathermap.ovh.net/

    http://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/ovh_infra.xml
    Hard to find don't kick! :-)

    I was trying to doublecheck their peers in peeringdb
    and I didn't find this information.
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    If your audience is in the USA, go with leaseweb. (and buy something there)
    If not, ovh has the best European network, no dubts about that. Also, I find ovh to have better prices, but maybe you got a custom quote from leaseweb.

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    It's worth pointing out that there are other companies that can offer better prices and have the servers located in the same datacenters Leaseweb uses.

    I'll mention just dediserv.eu and swiftway.co.uk

    With the last, I currently have a 100mbps unmetered server but as far as I know most cheap servers are located by Leaseweb in Evoswitch datacenter and (I'm almost sure) my server is in the other datacenter (Schubert Phillips or something).

    I'm very happy with the speed, I'd say as fast as I would be with Leaseweb... probably the only complain would be lowish speeds to Australia and Singapore (60k-200k) but then again i have very few users from there and maybe they also had slow internet plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariushm View Post
    probably the only complain would be lowish speeds to Australia and Singapore (60k-200k) but then again i have very few users from there and maybe they also had slow internet plans.
    That's down to routing. The vast majority of traffic from Europe to Asia and Oceana will go west cross-Atlantic, then across the USA to Los Angeles / San Jose / Fremont (or possibly Seattle) to pick up a trans-Pacific cable. It's effectively going the long (wrong) way round the globe

    If you're lucky you'll pick up an eastern routing, like Tata. OVH get that one best via Paris...

    2 <1 ms * * rbx-1-6k.fr.eu [91.121.130.1]
    3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.131.14]
    4 4 ms * 4 ms th1-1-6k.fr.eu [91.121.131.142]
    5 7 ms 4 ms 13 ms tata.as6453.fr.eu [213.186.32.242]
    6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms if-10-1456.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.77]
    7 112 ms 122 ms 112 ms if-3-2.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [80.231.154.69]
    Leaseweb use Cogent first through Frankfurt to Paris then pick up Tata...

    2 1 ms 13 ms 1 ms te0-1-0-1.ccr21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.129.49]
    3 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms te0-2-0-1.ccr21.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.48.166]
    4 15 ms 12 ms 12 ms te0-1-0-7.mpd22.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.49.170]
    5 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms tata.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.150]
    6 133 ms 133 ms 132 ms if-4-2.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.153.10]
    7 148 ms 132 ms 127 ms if-2-2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.154.18]
    8 156 ms 142 ms 162 ms if-3-2.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [80.231.154.69]
    Once you get to Mumbai you could route to Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan etc (but not likely Australia).
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    Quote Originally Posted by F-DNS View Post
    That's down to routing. The vast majority of traffic from Europe to Asia and Oceana will go west cross-Atlantic, then across the USA to Los Angeles / San Jose / Fremont (or possibly Seattle) to pick up a trans-Pacific cable. It's effectively going the long (wrong) way round the globe

    If you're lucky you'll pick up an eastern routing, like Tata. OVH get that one best via Paris...



    Leaseweb use Cogent first through Frankfurt to Paris then pick up Tata...



    Once you get to Mumbai you could route to Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan etc (but not likely Australia).

    I agree. I have actually had only once an issue with routing to a particular datacenter in US, sent a ticket and very promptly they tweaked the routing and asked me for feedback. (Not sure this would be even possible with Leaseweb as with one server you're probably just too small for them to care)

    So I know it's possible to ask them to at least try to improve some routing but for me it's just not that important.

    Here's some traceroutes, for comparison:

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    |                       
    Host              -   %  | Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last |
    |------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
    |       
    94-100-29-121.static.swiftnoc.com -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |   65 |    |
    |          
    fbra2-c.ams.nl.eu.swiftway.net -    |   40 |   39 |    |   12 |  168 |    |
    |-
    0-1.1051.mpd21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |    |    |
    |    
    te7-3.mpd01.ams04.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   44 |   44 |    |   16 |  188 |    |
    |           
    tata.ams04.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |   15 |    |
    |
    f-3-3205.tcore1.AV2-Amsterdam.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |   17 |    |
    |  if-
    5-2.tcore1.FNM-Frankfurt.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |   31 |    |
    |  if-
    7-2.tcore1.FR0-Frankfurt.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |    |    |   40 |    |
    |      if-
    4-2.tcore1.PVU-Paris.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |   16 |   20 |   78 |   17 |
    |      if-
    2-2.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |   16 |   17 |   38 |   17 |
    |     if-
    3-2.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net -    |   44 |   44 |  124 |  127 |  147 |  124 |
    |
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    PHP Code:
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    |                                      
    WinMTR statistics                                   |
    |                       
    Host              -   %  | Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last |
    |------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
    |       
    94-100-29-121.static.swiftnoc.com -    |   18 |   18 |    |   10 |  160 |    |
    |             
    gige-g2-1.core1.ams1.he.net -    |   18 |   18 |    |    |    |    |
    |  
    10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc4.he.net -    |   18 |   18 |   86 |   90 |   97 |   88 |
    |  
    10gigabitethernet5-3.core1.lax1.he.net -    |   18 |   18 |  148 |  151 |  159 |  153 |
    |        
    ge-2-3-0.bb1.a.lax.aarnet.net.au -    |   18 |   18 |  309 |  315 |  396 |  309 |
    |        
    so-4-0-0.bb1.b.syd.aarnet.net.au -    |   18 |   18 |  309 |  310 |  311 |  310 |
    |
    bitethernet0.er4.csiro.cpe.aarnet.net.au -    |   18 |   18 |  309 |  319 |  457 |  309 |
    |         
    gw1.er4.csiro.cpe.aarnet.net.au -    |   18 |   18 |  310 |  311 |  319 |  311 |
    |                            
    www.csiro.au -    |   18 |   18 |  310 |  310 |  312 |  310 |
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    PHP Code:

    |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
    |                                      
    WinMTR statistics                                   |
    |                       
    Host              -   %  | Sent Recv Best Avrg Wrst Last |
    |------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
    |       
    94-100-29-121.static.swiftnoc.com -    |   19 |   19 |    |   16 |  196 |  196 |
    |          
    fbra2-d.ams.nl.eu.swiftway.net -    |   16 |   15 |    |    |   21 |    |
    |-
    0-1.1051.mpd21.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   20 |   20 |    |    |    |    |
    |
    te0-1-0-2.ccr21.lpl01.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   20 |   20 |   10 |   11 |   16 |   11 |
    |
    te0-2-0-4.ccr21.ymq02.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |   81 |   81 |   83 |   82 |
    |
    te0-0-0-7.mpd21.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  101 |  101 |  103 |  103 |
    |
    te0-2-0-6.mpd21.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  100 |  100 |  104 |  104 |
    |
    te0-1-0-2.mpd21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  112 |  112 |  114 |  112 |
    |
    te0-3-0-3.mpd21.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  150 |  150 |  152 |  151 |
    |
    te0-2-0-0.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  150 |  150 |  151 |  150 |
    |    
    te4-2.ccr02.sjc04.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  150 |  151 |  152 |  152 |
    |        
    singtel.sjc04.atlas.cogentco.com -    |   19 |   19 |  158 |  165 |  227 |  158 |
    |                         
    203.208.171.153 -    |   19 |   19 |  158 |  161 |  189 |  158 |
    |     
    so-2-0-0-0.sngtp-cr1.ix.singtel.com -    |   19 |   19 |  158 |  217 |  343 |  158 |
    |                         
    203.208.153.161 -    |   19 |   19 |  332 |  340 |  352 |  345 |
    |          
    ae0-0.sngtp-cr1.ix.singtel.com -    |   19 |   19 |  329 |  342 |  382 |  338 |
    |                          
    203.208.153.66 -    |   19 |   19 |  330 |  344 |  411 |  352 |
    |                           
    202.157.128.5 -    |   19 |   19 |  339 |  347 |  384 |  350 |
    |                         
    server01.apc.sg -    |   19 |   19 |  332 |  344 |  356 |  351 |
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    So yeah, it often goes through US... what can you do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariushm View Post
    I agree. I have actually had only once an issue with routing to a particular datacenter in US, sent a ticket and very promptly they tweaked the routing and asked me for feedback. (Not sure this would be even possible with Leaseweb as with one server you're probably just too small for them to care)

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    Actually, our Network department has tweaked particular routings on occasion in response to customer issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaseWeb View Post
    Actually, our Network department has tweaked particular routings on occasion in response to customer issues.
    How about picking up Tata in Paris or London instead of going to Frankfurt first, purleeez

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    I think you could almost describe OVH's behavior as scamming, giving completely different network quality to their speedtest server and customer servers.

    Code:
    sv2:~# wget http://proof.ovh.net/100Mio.dat -O /dev/null
    --2011-05-14 20:01:36--  http://proof.ovh.net/100Mio.dat
    Resolving proof.ovh.net... 188.165.12.106, 2001:41d0:2:876a::1
    Connecting to proof.ovh.net|188.165.12.106|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 1.97M/s   in 37s
    
    2011-05-14 20:02:13 (2.72 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
    Code:
    sv2:~# wget http://netburst.co.uk/100Mio.zip -O /dev/null
    --2011-05-14 20:14:29--  http://netburst.co.uk/100Mio.zip
    Resolving netburst.co.uk... 188.165.193.84
    Connecting to netburst.co.uk|188.165.193.84|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/x-zip-compressed]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
     9% [==>                                    ] 10,311,649   385K/s  eta 4m 18s
    Same file from a NL server...

    Code:
    [root@nlweb ~]# wget wget http://netburst.co.uk/100Mio.zip -O /dev/null
    --2011-05-14 18:16:47--  http://wget/
    Resolving wget... failed: Name or service not known.
    wget: unable to resolve host address `wget'
    --2011-05-14 18:16:47--  http://netburst.co.uk/100Mio.zip
    Resolving netburst.co.uk... 188.165.193.84
    Connecting to netburst.co.uk|188.165.193.84|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/x-zip-compressed]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[====================================================================>] 104,857,600 8.99M/s   in 11s
    
    2011-05-14 18:16:59 (9.04 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
    Can you seriously say that OVH has good speeds to US?

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    I think you could almost describe OVH's behavior as scamming, giving completely different network quality to their speedtest server and customer servers.
    Simple: They dont.
    Your Server is most likely on 100/1000Mbit - Theirs is on 10Gbit, which eliminates already Switch speed problems, yours is most likely loaded, theirs not due to the 10Gbit...
    And so on.

    They certainly wont tweak 50+ Backbone routers to get 10-20% better performance to some special IP.


    Austria:
    Code:
    X:~# wget http://proof.ovh.net/100Mio.dat -O /dev/null
    --2011-05-14 18:49:22--  http://proof.ovh.net/100Mio.dat
    Resolving proof.ovh.net... 2001:41d0:2:876a::1
    Connecting to proof.ovh.net|2001:41d0:2:876a::1|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 28.0M/s   in 4.6s
    
    2011-05-14 18:49:27 (21.7 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
    Their other speedtest server:

    Code:
    X:~# wget ftp://ftp.ovh.net/test.bin
    --2011-05-14 18:50:17--  ftp://ftp.ovh.net/test.bin
               => `test.bin'
    Resolving ftp.ovh.net... 213.186.33.9
    Connecting to ftp.ovh.net|213.186.33.9|:21... connected.
    Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
    ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
    ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD not needed.
    ==> SIZE test.bin ... 104857600
    ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR test.bin ... done.
    Length: 104857600 (100M)
    
    49% [==================>                    ] 52,038,680  1.04M/s  eta 52s     ^C
    Wouldn't they also route this one better...?

    William

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDIS View Post
    Simple: They dont.
    Your Server is most likely on 100/1000Mbit - Theirs is on 10Gbit, which eliminates already Switch speed problems, yours is most likely loaded, theirs not due to the 10Gbit...
    And so on.
    http://gyazo.com/7a47e9bf0bd7c8946c074a2b23967b02.png

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