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    IP Transit Providers & Prices

    Hi All,

    One of our datacenters has the following providers onnet;

    TWTelecom
    TimeWarner
    Cox
    ATT
    Telepacific
    XO
    Level3
    Cogent
    Freedom Dark Fiber
    360 Networks

    We are looking for any good recommendations for resellers, experiences with pricing, feedback about carriers etc.

    We are hoping to get a blend of bandwidth from two or more at 100mbps commit on 1gb circuit.

    Thanks in advance!
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    I would go Level3 for sure.. I hear good things about TWTelecom.. L3+TW Telecom would be my picks.
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    Level3 and TWT are pretty much the only ones I would pick up out those choices.
    Maybe Cogent as a backup link in case one of the other 2 primaries went down.

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    Level 3 & TW.
    And get Cogent as the backup.

    Which, I just got an email from today.
    They are doing $1mb for a full gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCTrend View Post
    Level 3 & TW.
    And get Cogent as the backup.

    Which, I just got an email from today.
    They are doing $1mb for a full gig.
    Cogent was offering the $1/mb?

    Any experience on rough pricing for Level3 or TW? Looking for a 100 commit on a gig circuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enteracloud View Post
    Cogent was offering the $1/mb?

    Any experience on rough pricing for Level3 or TW? Looking for a 100 commit on a gig circuit.
    Guess it's a promo they have going.

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    Cogent $1/Mbps for full gig?
    Haven't get the email yet.
    on all POP or just your location? one year term?

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    it depends on what you're going for. If you're looking for cheap go with Cogent and XO, if you're looking for quality go with L3 and TWT, and for a nice mix of the two go with say L3 and Cogent. Whatever you do, don't single home if you can help it.
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    Doesn't TWtelecom = TimeWarner? Which is not RR/roadrunner..?

    But yah I would agree put Level3 with pretty much anyone of those KNOWN carriers like XO or Cogent and you have a nice blend of high quality and mediocore , evens itself out. 100Mb is not much of a commit so don't expect to great of pricing on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNSERVERS View Post
    Cogent $1/Mbps for full gig?
    Haven't get the email yet.
    on all POP or just your location? one year term?
    I believe 1 year for all Carrier Neutral locations.
    I'll shoot over that email. Send me a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameen View Post
    Doesn't TWtelecom = TimeWarner? Which is not RR/roadrunner..?

    But yah I would agree put Level3 with pretty much anyone of those KNOWN carriers like XO or Cogent and you have a nice blend of high quality and mediocore , evens itself out. 100Mb is not much of a commit so don't expect to great of pricing on that.
    TWT and TW are 2 different companies and I believe networks as well.

    TW is the residential stuff, TWT is the IPTransit/telecom and they are individual networks AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameen View Post
    Doesn't TWtelecom = TimeWarner? Which is not RR/roadrunner..?
    twtelecom = twtelecom

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCTrend View Post
    I believe 1 year for all Carrier Neutral locations.
    I'll shoot over that email. Send me a PM.
    Would appreciate a PM / email as well on this.

    Have a Cogent rep who calls me every once in a while, said they have some "hot deal" until the end of the month for $1500 / mo, and I was like meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCTrend View Post
    Level 3 & TW.
    And get Cogent as the backup.

    Which, I just got an email from today.
    They are doing $1mb for a full gig.
    You sure it isn't on a 5Gig commit? I know they were just offering 5Gbps at $5k/mo with 2.5k setup two weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CompuSite View Post
    You sure it isn't on a 5Gig commit? I know they were just offering 5Gbps at $5k/mo with 2.5k setup two weeks ago.

    -Jon

    I can't speak for them.
    All I'm saying is that is what was offered in the email.
    I haven't followed up with Cogent on the offer.

    But if you're saying 2 weeks ago as in April.
    Maybe this is a May promo?

    You should confirm if you want to.

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    Cogent's pricing fluctuates and varies so much, it also varies on who you talk to.

    Be careful of the contracts too, they may suck you in for 12 months then raise the price substantially afterwards.

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    I can confirm I just got pinged by my cogent rep on the 1Gbps for $1000/mo deal ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Suds View Post
    I can confirm I just got pinged by my cogent rep on the 1Gbps for $1000/mo deal ...
    Cogent recently put a POP in our facility and I know a few of our clients have picked up 1G/$1 deals. So it's out there.

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    Level3 and TWTC I have in one of our Dallas locations, no problems ever in 2 years out of the combo.

    Cogent has come a long way, had to put something on quick in Miami and they were installed start to finish within a week of contacting them and have pushed as much as 800Mbps for long periods of time out of that link. I bet if they changed their name no one would have an issue with them any longer, just those early days hurt them.

    360 Networks has a strong fiber based backbone so picking a good aggregate provider is always a good idea. AboveNet would be a good choice if they are in the facility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris1351 View Post
    I bet if they changed their name no one would have an issue with them any longer, just those early days hurt them.
    Even back then, the bad reputation came from hosts that were overselling the heck out of their Cogent links. Cogent was getting blamed for something that was not their fault.
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    We had some connections a few years ago that we could not maintain 50% of our commit levels much less the burst. There were some bad setups and growing pains, but most of what you hear is from people just overselling to heck and back a product that was already oversold.

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    I don't really know what Cogent pricing is at the moment but if its really 1Gbps for $1000/mo then it ain't that bad of a deal. Only for 1Gbps commit.

    Then again, OP is looking for 100Mbps commit which could make the price very pricey. 100Mbps is small if you're asking them. Actually would they even do 100Mbps commit?
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    From what my rep told me, they just bumped the minimum to 50 megs. I know that as of a couple months ago they were offering a 10 meg minimum commit.

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    50 meg minimum commit? $1 per meg, that would be $50. LOL. I'd take that anyday! LOL. Such a small commit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aodat2 View Post
    50 meg minimum commit? $1 per meg, that would be $50. LOL. I'd take that anyday! LOL. Such a small commit.
    They're not going to do 50 meg at $1 / meg Probably more like $8 / meg.
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    That's almost about my pricing from Voxel. LOL. Why go with them when I could just go with Voxel. Plus I get a special price for it.
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    because Cogent is in way more buildings, datacenters, etc then Voxel... and Cogent has its own global backbone...

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    gig flat from Level3 would be about $2200 / month
    gig flat from he.net or cogent about $1000 / month

    Would be a pretty decent mix to start with while keeping the costs down.
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    Who quoted you $2200 for a gig of L3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastServ View Post
    Who quoted you $2200 for a gig of L3?
    Telling you would be against the rules of the forum. But the offers are out there.
    I think most resellers will be able to do somewhere between $2200 and $4000 per gigabit flat on level3
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftnoc View Post
    Telling you would be against the rules of the forum. But the offers are out there.
    I think most resellers will be able to do somewhere between $2200 and $4000 per gigabit flat on level3
    Lol, pretty sure the only reason it would be against the rules is if you were offering it yourself
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    I think most resellers will be able to do somewhere between $2200 and $4000 per gigabit flat on level3
    Hate to say it, but one reseller is out there at $2k for L3. When I heard that, my response was 'Blake Smith returns'

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    Funny.
    I got an offer from cogent for 1 Pound (GBP) per Mbit with 1Gig commitment.
    (in Frankfurt)



    Quote Originally Posted by OCTrend View Post
    I can't speak for them.
    All I'm saying is that is what was offered in the email.
    I haven't followed up with Cogent on the offer.

    But if you're saying 2 weeks ago as in April.
    Maybe this is a May promo?

    You should confirm if you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osopolis View Post
    Funny.
    I got an offer from cogent for 1 Pound (GBP) per Mbit with 1Gig commitment.
    (in Frankfurt)
    Cogent has other pricing in Europe then they have in USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ameen View Post
    But yah I would agree put Level3 with pretty much anyone of those KNOWN carriers like XO or Cogent and you have a nice blend of high quality and mediocore , evens itself out.
    The words "XO" and "nice blend" do not belong in the same sentence, unless you're talking about the absence thereof.

    IMO, there is no room for XO in a datacenter environment.

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    There is no room for XO anywhere. I'm dumbfounded that they manage to stay in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bqinternet View Post
    Even back then, the bad reputation came from hosts that were overselling the heck out of their Cogent links. Cogent was getting blamed for something that was not their fault.
    There was a time when there was a huge quality difference between Cogent and other providers, especialy during business hours. In the early 2000's, they purchased PSINet and their services have improved greatly since then.

    I do agree with Kris that the stigma they carry today is due to their name and old history. A change of name would do wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techee View Post
    Hate to say it, but one reseller is out there at $2k for L3. When I heard that, my response was 'Blake Smith returns'
    That's interesting because as of a few months ago, we were being quoted $4K/mo for a gigabit on Level(3) through resellers ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Suds View Post
    That's interesting because as of a few months ago, we were being quoted $4K/mo for a gigabit on Level(3) through resellers ...
    Same here and about a month ago. This is for a direct level3 port mind you.

    My guess is the 2k/mo isn't a direct port.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoUnlimited View Post
    There was a time when there was a huge quality difference between Cogent and other providers, especialy during business hours. In the early 2000's, they purchased PSINet and their services have improved greatly since then.

    I do agree with Kris that the stigma they carry today is due to their name and old history. A change of name would do wonders.
    A new name for Cogent will do nothing. They still suck derrier. Avoid at any cost.

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