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    Help finding a new VPS/Dedicated host?

    Hey.

    I presently have a VPS situated in the US. As far as the VPS go and the service I have have really little to complain about. There is however some limitatios to the use of said VPS that I am not really fine with. The limitations are fine if you just want to use it for pure webhosting. And thats more or less "only" that they will allow. My problem at the moment is that I want to start playing around with IRC bouncers and such, which my present host doesn't allow.

    You might suggest just going out and getting a seperate IRC account, but that sorta defeats the purpose considering that I got the VPS in the first place to reduce the number of hosting "contracts" I had and put it all in one place.

    I was talking to someone in the bouncer channel I was in and he suggested that I actually asked over here to see if someone might have some decent solid suggestions as to what I should get or whom I should be looked at "signing up with" for my needs.

    At preesent the limitations I face on my present VPS are these:

    13. Resource Usage

    Customers may not initiate the following (below), if any customer does xxx may terminate the account with no refund. Depending on the situation there will/won't be warnings sent.
    a) Use 25% or more of system CPU resources for longer then 90 seconds. There are numerous activities that could cause such problems; these include: CGI scripts, FTP, PHP, HTTP, etc.
    b) Use of any kind of distributed computing software, including but not limited to [email protected], Node Zero and [email protected]
    c) Run any type of interactive real-time chat applications that require server resources. Remotely-hosted services are fully allowed (applies to shared/reseller hosting only).
    d) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons (applies to shared/reseller hosting only).
    e) Run any software that interfaces with an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) network.
    f) Run any file sharing, bit torrent or other P2P network services, client or server software.
    g) Run any gaming servers such as counter-strike, half-life,
    battlefield 1492, etc

    A and B is not a problem to follow, C and D does not apply for me since I have a VPS. E however is sort of a deal breaker to me at this point, considering I have no interests in neither F or G considering I would not store my webhosting stuff on a server destined for gaming or BT'ing.

    Presently I have the following "plan" that I am paying for, so I am hoping I might be able to get something simular to that, at least. And for around the same price, and without these limitations.

    cPanel / WHM License
    RAM 1024 MB
    RAID-10 Disk Space 60 GB
    Premium Bandwidth 2500 GB

    I pay 50 US dollars a month for that. So will it be possible to find something simular to that for the same price, without the limitations?. If you can find something that is better overall then that will be fine as well, as long as the price is not "too high". I looked at getting a dedicated server which would set me down for around 100 USD a month, but I had to back away from that offer.

    So at present I am hopefully looking at getting AT LEAST the same as the above, or better at around 50-100 USD a month. Not sure if that is possible?. cPanel/WHM is a must for the sake of compatibility....

    But I was able to extract the following using WHM and Parallel Power Panels so you can gauge how "much" I use my VPS as well as what kind of processors its running on:

    System information
    Server load 0.23 (8 CPUs)
    Memory Used 44.60% (467632 of 1048576)
    Swap Used 0.00% (0 of 1)

    Processor #8 (The 7 preceeding this one, are the same)
    Vendor: AuthenticAMD
    Name: Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2350
    Speed: 2000.083 MHz
    Cache: 512 KB

    But I am hoping someone here might know just the right choice for me and at an affordable price (inside my price range). Naturally said price range must be reasonable, so finding me a host that gives me the exact same stats as I have now, but for 100 USD is not really of much use . If I have to pay 100 USD for it I at least hope I can do better and get more .

    But I am not picky as to whether the solution provided is EITHER a VPS or a dedicated server. Both options is what I am looking at anyway

    As a closing statement I can inform you all that I have looked at the following providers and have chosen not to go with any of them:

    Hentzner
    Pixocon
    Leaseweb
    Evoboxes.org

    If you want to know my reasons behind why I have excluded either or then I am more then willing to give it, but has omitted it from here.

    Thanks for your help and time in advance.

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    What location do you prefer? Managed or unmanaged? Do you try to find something here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

    I don't know what to say about ircd, but you have few of them who allow ircd on vps i think.

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    It looks like you're quoting from KnownHost. Is full management part of your requirements as well?

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    The hosting is from Knownhost yes . And I would prefer fully managed considering it has saved my rear just a couple of times so far .

    Which was also why i declined on going with leaseweb as they were unmanaged, and I wouldn't want my server to be stranded because they "wont" help and I wouldn't know how to fix it.

    But Drach, the reason I asked here primarily was to get some input and suggestions and possibly a few recommendations, rather then trying to gauge all the various offers from that link. Judging one offer from the other can be hard when there are "things" that are usually not listed. Hence why I would prefer suggestions and recommendations from others. And location is not "that" important, considering I live in europe myself and Knownhost are having their servers in USA. At any rate it doesn't come down to the actual location, but more the kind of peering there is, to that location

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    I'd strongly reconsider getting a cheap VPS for your other services and leaving your current site with Knownhost. You shouldn't experiment/mess with a "cPanel server" anyway once its running stable.

    Problem with getting a dedicated server is that the cPanel license and management will cost you about $70/mo, which leaves $30/mo for the server. I doubt any good provider would offer such a deal.


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    Well problem is you see. Back in the day I had two hosting accounts which was costly, so I consolidated it into my VPS. And now I am forced to actually do more stuff in two places again which is kinda proactive, when I am trying to keep it all in one place. I would simply prefer if Knownhost allowed IRC, at least had some servers they would allow it on, but sadly no.

    Im the kind of person that prefers one service, One bill and one where it all is, rather then having everything split out over various stuff. Sure the latter might be "better" considering I wont experience complete loss of service if one drops, but still.

    But Leaseweb offers Dedicated servers, and the one I was looking at was for 49 Euros a month, wth a 19 dollar cPanel/WHM charge on top. Downside was that it was completely unmanaged.

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    I'd recommend you to select host with at least Xeon grade CPU and with the combination of Xen virtualization.
    This will give you more stable environment.

    Some time the TOS may referring to shared hosting instead of VPS hosting.
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    Well as far as stability, customer service etc goes I have no complaints about Knownhost at all. My main complaint is their rather restrictive TOS in regards to what I may actually use it for...

    And a lot of the other people I have conferred with about this also say those restrictions are rather harsh and generally reduces their VPS to nothing more then an "advanced" webserver.

    It might not make a lot of sense why I might want to move, but those restrictions just seems silly considering "its "my" server". Im given full access, and then again not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeX_DK View Post
    Well problem is you see. Back in the day I had two hosting accounts which was costly, so I consolidated it into my VPS. And now I am forced to actually do more stuff in two places again which is kinda proactive, when I am trying to keep it all in one place. I would simply prefer if Knownhost allowed IRC, at least had some servers they would allow it on, but sadly no.

    Im the kind of person that prefers one service, One bill and one where it all is, rather then having everything split out over various stuff. Sure the latter might be "better" considering I wont experience complete loss of service if one drops, but still.

    But Leaseweb offers Dedicated servers, and the one I was looking at was for 49 Euros a month, wth a 19 dollar cPanel/WHM charge on top. Downside was that it was completely unmanaged.
    I agree, and thats precisely the reason I never host with providers that don't allow IRC. Not that I use much, but giving root access that is restricted doesn't seem right. Though in fairness, their TOS is probably put in place to protect their client base (you) from any potential network attacks.

    Cost wise, won't it be cheaper to go with Knownhost + another $5/mo VPS for IRC than your $50 - 100 dedicated server? My IRC VPS is only $0.99/mo so adds up to almost nothing.


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    Scientist:

    You are right, costwise I am as "well" off as I can be with a 50 USD VPS at Knownhost, and the 5 USD a month IRC Starter account I have through Ispeeds.

    But I figured, that as I am "forced" for find another VPS host anyway I might as well go for an upgrade if possible, speed and memory wise, if you know what I mean.

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    Yes we prohibit IRC's since networks that allow them tend to not be as reliable in our experiences. If they didn't bring back traffic as some tend to do we'd be okay with it but we try to offer the most reliable Managed VPS's, etc that's possible and this is one of the things we can't permit. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scientist View Post
    Problem with getting a dedicated server is that the cPanel license and management will cost you about $70/mo, which leaves $30/mo for the server. I doubt any good provider would offer such a deal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scientist View Post
    I agree, and thats precisely the reason I never host with providers that don't allow IRC. Not that I use much, but giving root access that is restricted doesn't seem right. Though in fairness, their TOS is probably put in place to protect their client base (you) from any potential network attacks.
    I strongly agree with both of these points.

    Once recommendation for a dedicated is to do a smart server if a provider offers it. This will help cut your costs. Especially on licensing. Additionally, make sure you read over a host's T.O.S. or ask them prior to sign up in regards to IRC. A lot do not allow them.

    Good luck fine sire.
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    Knownhost:

    And thats fine by me. Your reasoning behind it I can fully understand, but sadly it doesn't solve my "problem". i could have wished for a server option where you would allow IRC, but then be put on another server and accept a slight drop in "assured" reliability or something of that sort.

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    Anyone who actually have any actual suggestions as to whom or what I should look at?

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    Linode is not managed but here is what they say.

    Can I run an IRC server on my Linode? Yes. Our Atlanta facility does filter the common ports used by IRC, but you're free to use alternate ports. The other datacenters do not filter IRC.
    Hosting is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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    TheJoker,

    Linode won't work. It has to be a managed solution.

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    Would dedicatednow a better choice?

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    Sorry to be a bit nitpicky and not seeming appreciative of the help. But is people actually reading what I am looking for and my price range?.

    So far one suggested unmanaged when I am looking for managed, and dedicatednow is way above the price range that I am willing and able to spend on this.

    Like I said, it doesn't have to be a dedicated server at all, as long as it is just managed and allows me alot more freedom of reign then Knownhost does. And that the "cost increase" is justified, ie that I get more for my buck.

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    I guess this one is dead in the water then

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    Perhaps hiring someone to manage your Linode? Better yet, learn to do it yourself.
    Hosting is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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    TheJoker,

    Me learning linux/unix to the level where I can manage a server etc and manage all flaws and faults myself is not something I can do in a day or two. So even if I was to learn it I would still need a managed solution so I had someone to fall back on if I failed at fixing the issue myself.

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    Then hire someone to manage your unmanaged server that allows IRC. Or at least get it up and running securely. I'm saying no, you are not dead in the water.
    Hosting is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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    TheJoker,

    Hiring someone is not just something you do. IF I simply settled with a hosting company with the "support" build in I would most likely get off cheaper then having to pay someone random 20-50 USD pr case I might have >_<.

    Hence why I was asking for a managed one in the first place.

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    OK, I guess you are right. You are dead in the water.
    Hosting is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

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    Or people are simply not really interested in helping me find what I am looking for as per my wishes >_<. But if thats the case then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker View Post
    OK, I guess you are right. You are dead in the water.
    I just checked the numbers, and regardless of VPS plan I would be looking at getting half the bandwidth of my present VPS at best.

    Their 1024 plan which is the one that matches what I have atm memory wise at least leaves me at 32 Gig storage which is half of what I have right now, as well as a measily 400 Gig transfer which is 1/6th of what I have now. Their "closest" plan (Price wise) is the 1536 one which at least gives me more memory, but still does not match my current plan for Storage and bandwidth.

    And that plan is running at 59.95 WITHOUT cPanel which I have to go out and get on my own. So realistically speaking I would be paying more JUST for the IRC bit, at which point Linode also fails there, and not just because they are unmanaged. And like I said.... IF I have to pay more (which I dont mind), I at least expect more for my money then just simply IRC support.

    And Linode "says" the following:
    Do you sell Plesk or CPanel licenses?

    No, but you can obtain and install control panels on your Linode.
    And I just checked cPanels site and they are asking $425.00 per license pr year, if you go for the 1 year plan, which is 35 USD a month extra on top of the prices that Linode qoutes. So all in all they are very expensive compared to what I have right now, and thus they are excluded.

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    OK, whatever. You wanted a VPS that allowed IRC and Linode allows IRC and I pointed you to Linode.

    Linode 512 is a good deal but the 1GB is just as expensive as KnownHost. I know that. You will get no arguments from me.

    And cPanel VPS license is not that expensive.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker View Post
    OK, whatever. You wanted a VPS that allowed IRC and Linode allows IRC and I pointed you to Linode.
    You are incorrect sir. If you had read my post you would have realised that my requirements was more then that . It needed to supply with "at least" the same amount of memory, storage and preferbly bandwidth, neither of the 3 is something Linode does, at marginally the same price.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker View Post
    And cPanel VPS license is not that expensive.
    And where do you get that from?. According to Linode I HAVE TO go out and get the license and stuff myself, meaning I can't unit discount since I want only one. And if you actually did take a look at:
    http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpanelwhm/pricing.html

    You will clearly see it costs 425 USD a year, but yea sure I can also use the 200 USD a year one, but that will still be 16-17 USD on top of those monthly prices from Linode. So clearly I will have to pay more with them to get IRC support, but get less in every other department for the "same" money.

    But I guess its back to Plan B with 2 servers, although I abhor it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeX_DK View Post
    You are incorrect sir. If you had read my post you would have realised that my requirements was more then that . It needed to supply with "at least" the same amount of memory, storage and preferbly bandwidth, neither of the 3 is something Linode does, at marginally the same price.

    Sometimes what you wish for is not possible, so you adapt if you wish to proceed.

    And where do you get that from?. According to Linode I HAVE TO go out and get the license and stuff myself, meaning I can't unit discount since I want only one. And if you actually did take a look at:
    http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpanelwhm/pricing.html

    The VPS Optimised licence is half the $425 you stated.

    You will clearly see it costs 425 USD a year, but yea sure I can also use the 200 USD a year one, but that will still be 16-17 USD on top of those monthly prices from Linode. So clearly I will have to pay more with them to get IRC support, but get less in every other department for the "same" money.

    But I guess its back to Plan B with 2 servers, although I abhor it.

    That sir, is your choice.
    The bottom line is that you can save money and do what you want to with a VPS, or you can pay more for a dedicated server. You don't have to be argumentative about it, it's your money and your choice.
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