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    Recommend a VPS for Growing Wordpress site + Forum

    Hi folks

    I'm looking for recommendations for a growing wordpress site plus a mybb forum.

    and maybe in the future I will move other sites over but for now the focus is on the wordpress site and forum

    the wordpress site is not huge it does about 3,000 per day
    i have currently about 30 plugins activated (they are all needed :-( but will be reevaluating my plugins going forward)

    My aim is of course reliably and speed so what are my options folks

    Ive looked at Unixy and i'm waiting for a response back from them


    for the most part i'm looking fo rsomething managed so they can focus on setting up the server for use


    ideas , recommendations folks ?

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    Why on earth do you think you need a VPS for 3,000 pageviews a day? That's well within the capabilities of any competent shared host. Unless you have a burning desire to run some nonstandard hosting setup, you'll probably be better served by finding shared hosting with decent support, rather than a (much pricier) managed VPS.
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    Maybe he likes doing it himself. Sometimes, that's half the fun.

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    Well, yeah, but if you like doing it yourself, why look for a managed provider?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    Why on earth do you think you need a VPS for 3,000 pageviews a day? That's well within the capabilities of any competent shared host. Unless you have a burning desire to run some nonstandard hosting setup, you'll probably be better served by finding shared hosting with decent support, rather than a (much pricier) managed VPS.
    Probably the ability to grow since he mentioned his wordpress site is growing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    Why on earth do you think you need a VPS for 3,000 pageviews a day?
    Um... because many shared hosts are garbage shared resources?

    It sounds like he's moving to he dedicated/VPS route with his rapidly growing site anyway. So might as well do it now, and save the step and hassle from multiple moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barefootsies View Post
    Um... because many shared hosts are garbage shared resources?
    Hence my saying "...competent shared host".

    It sounds like he's moving to he dedicated/VPS route with his rapidly growing site anyway. So might as well do it now, and save the step and hassle from multiple moves.
    Heaven forbid we encourage moderation or restraint here on WHT. Why do with $8 per month when you can it no better for $45?

    I retract my previous recommendation of shared hosting, competent or otherwise, and instead suggest - to the approval of my peersbetters here - that the OP pursue both managed cloud hosting and a first-rate CDN for his three-thousand-pageview-per-day blog.
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    I agree with Ankheg - any competent shared hosting company will be able to host your account with plenty of breathing room. Are you experiencing issues with your current host and if so, what? And how much are you looking to spend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger333 View Post
    the wordpress site is not huge it does about 3,000 per day
    We're all assuming that's page views. Or is it unique visitors?

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    Is there a control panel or exact location you want to be hosted in?

    Also what is your budget?

    Are you having any problems with shared hosting, or you just want more options, and more control?
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    the reason for making the move or wanting to as its not the only site - I have about 4 others (yeah the traffic is pretty low - but it would be nice to have some breathing room)

    If it can be done with shared hosting then so be it - i'm just looking for options here folks


    3,000 pageviews by the way (approx 1,200 unique)

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    I'm really looking for performance with wordpress


    firstly I heard that having a cpanel really sucks up memory so causes performance issues

    then I started hearing about how its better to run on Litespeed.


    so help a guy out here folks - i'm hear looking for expert advice

    whilst I'm fine when it comes to WIndows Hosting

    Linux as always had me questioning options

    I went into the deals forum and i'm completely lost - everyones offering the same thing hehee - (but which is right for a mostly wordpress based site)

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    shared hosting can give u good performance as well as its just 3 - 4 sites with very little traffic(but depends on the quality of the host)

    Are u using forum and wordpress on a same domain ? If not, I don't think there would be any harm in going for 2 shared hosting packages with a good host.


    if u really looking at a vps:

    Windows vps is costlier compared to Linux because of licensing fee.
    cPanel or Plesk both are quite heavy, personally I would recommend using Direct Admin for vps - its very lite and got everything needed for a regular use. You can always optimize ur vps and scripts for better performance

    Remember, when u get a vps - especially un-managed plan u will have the extra burden of keeping your scripts, firewall up-to-date. In a shared hosting or a managed vps plan u can relax up on it as the host will take of that.

    Litespeed improves the performance but for the size of your content and traffic u don't need that immediately unless u r running some heavy loaded scripts. You can use nginx or lighthttpd they are free and give better performance than Apache.

    You haven't mentioned your budget, if only u can mention ur budget it will help to give you suggestions.

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    Budget approx $100 per month.

    Linux based as php based apps (wordpress, mybb)

    they are both on the same domain (forum is a sub domain of main)


    I believe some of the scripts I have are pretty heavy - which is why i wanna go with VPS.

    and I would prefer managed


    (Damn u lastpass!) I didnt know I had 2 accounts - mods can they be merged into the Tiger333 account?

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    you have a good budget,
    I would suggest you to look at : servint or knownhost - both give the best.

    I have been a customer of servint until a few years back ran for over 18 months with out any issues.
    I would suggest u go with their first vps plan and if needed later u may upgrade ur plan. Why to spend un-necessary cash :p

    You may even consider knownhost considering the amount of positive feedbacks they have been getting lately.

    jyfi, mods can't merge accounts they can only ban or un-ban accounts, only the admins can merge accounts (that's how vB works )

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    Semi-Dedicated would be a good choice, but with a provider that also offers other services like VPS/Cloud VPS/Dedicated Servers so you can easily upgrade plan/service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger33 View Post
    Budget approx $100 per month.

    Linux based as php based apps (wordpress, mybb)

    they are both on the same domain (forum is a sub domain of main)


    I believe some of the scripts I have are pretty heavy - which is why i wanna go with VPS.

    and I would prefer managed


    (Damn u lastpass!) I didnt know I had 2 accounts - mods can they be merged into the Tiger333 account?
    You have the ability to get a good, fully managed VPS for that kind of budget. I've been very happy at MDDHosting.com, and some here have had very good things to say about KnownHost.com (and some others).

    For PHP applications using MySql databases, like Wordpress and your forums, RAM is important. I run my sites on a 1 GB RAM VPS and they run fine. But more is better, and I think you would be well served with a 1.5 or 2GB RAM VPS since your budget allows going larger.

    The offers are confusing because you'll see prices for a 1.5 GB RAM VPS from $10 a month to $75. The lower end are unmanaged, and can be oversold just like shared hosting. The well known and stable fully managed VPS are at the higher end, but are worth the money if you just want to move your site, and have it run well from day one. The fully managed providers also offer control panels, backup solutions, etc. in the price (these are often expensive add-ons for the unmanaged providers).

    The other option is to go with an unmanaged VPS and hire someone to install and configure the software for you, then hire them periodically when you want to update software, etc. There's more risk in doing that, and it often ends up costing more if you need more than one hour of third-party support a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    Well, yeah, but if you like doing it yourself, why look for a managed provider?
    Maybe he wants someone to fall back on . . . you're missing the point. What I was trying to illustrate is that not everyone shops based on price alone. I wasn't commenting on whether I think this is a good idea or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshagan View Post
    But more is better, and I think you would be well served with a 1.5 or 2GB RAM VPS since your budget allows going larger.
    <sarcasm>No, no, I think we've all agreed that the minimum you need to run a small blog and a small forum in 2011 is a quad-core dedicated server and a global CDN. Or possibly a quad-core server, a CDN, and a pony.</sarcasm>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    it's easy to forget why I hate, on days ending in 'y' what WHT has become in recent years. But thanks for helping remind me...
    Whatever do you mean fine sire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    <sarcasm>No, no, I think we've all agreed that the minimum you need to run a small blog and a small forum in 2011 is a quad-core dedicated server and a global CDN. Or possibly a quad-core server, a CDN, and a pony.</sarcasm>

    Suffer PTSD from a professional bocci tourney gone horribly wrong, and it's easy to forget why I hate, on days ending in 'y' what WHT has become in recent years. But thanks for helping remind me...


    Yes.....WHT has changed a bit over the years for sure!

    And to the OP.....just go to KnownHost.....job done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    <sarcasm>No, no, I think we've all agreed that the minimum you need to run a small blog and a small forum in 2011 is a quad-core dedicated server and a global CDN. Or possibly a quad-core server, a CDN, and a pony.</sarcasm>

    Suffer PTSD from a professional bocci tourney gone horribly wrong, and it's easy to forget why I hate, on days ending in 'y' what WHT has become in recent years. But thanks for helping remind me...
    I'll stand by my recommendation. The OP is looking for a fully managed VPS positioned for growth, has both Wordpress with 30 plug ins and a forum. He expressed interest in having room to grow and has a budget of $100 a month.

    You suggest shared hosting from a competent provider. That's fine, but that's not what the OP is asking about. If a guy walks into a Chevy dealer and asks about a Corvette, are you going to tell him he can get from point A to B just as well in a Malibu?

    Hope you feel better soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshagan View Post
    You suggest shared hosting from a competent provider. That's fine, but that's not what the OP is asking about.
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    "If it can be done with shared hosting then so be it - i'm just looking for options here folks"
    If a guy walks into a Chevy dealer and asks about a Corvette, are you going to tell him he can get from point A to B just as well in a Malibu?
    Obviously not, if I work on commission and/or otherwise have a vested interest in, y'know, postwhoring and sig-spammingtrying to steer him towards a Corvette, no.

    But if a guy stops me on the bike trail, tells me he's got five grand, and asks if he should get a shiny new $1,000 cyclocross bike to tow a trailer with his daughter three blocks to the park and back once a week, I'm going to tell him to save his money and buy a nice used $200-300 bike instead. Many WHT users would apparently, to judge from this thread, tell him to invest all $3-5K in a custom-made carbon-fiber road bike, because <sarcasm>there's always a chance the park will get further away</sarcasm>.

    See where I'm going with that analogy?

    If shared hosting is inadequate for a half-dozen very-low-traffic websites, then I'd really love to know what, if anything, people seem to think it is good for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fshagan View Post
    I'll stand by my recommendation. The OP is looking for a fully managed VPS positioned for growth, has both Wordpress with 30 plug ins and a forum. He expressed interest in having room to grow and has a budget of $100 a month.

    You suggest shared hosting from a competent provider. That's fine, but that's not what the OP is asking about. If a guy walks into a Chevy dealer and asks about a Corvette, are you going to tell him he can get from point A to B just as well in a Malibu?

    Hope you feel better soon.


    How about unixy which i mentioned earlier - are they good?

    (checking mdhosting now )

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    Never used them personally, but I have heard nothing but good things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    "If it can be done with shared hosting then so be it - i'm just looking for options here folks"
    Read his messages after that. He clearly wants a VPS for growth, and has a budget of up to $100 a month.

    Posted earlier today, before I responded:
    Budget approx $100 per month.

    Linux based as php based apps (wordpress, mybb)

    they are both on the same domain (forum is a sub domain of main)


    I believe some of the scripts I have are pretty heavy - which is why i wanna go with VPS.

    and I would prefer managed
    I do read the whole thread, and try to figure out what the OP is asking. I was the one that asked for clarification if "3,000 per day" referred to page views or unique visitors. It was after he stated his intention to buy a VPS that I responded.

    As to the snide insinuation that my advice is given to induce people to buy from me, why don't you take it up with the mods? They can review my posts and make a judgement as to whether I'm helpful or someone bitching about other people's advice with some nostalgic vision of how things used to be (and check my join date; we've been here the same amount of time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    a small blog ---- and a global CDN..
    That sounds asinine, yes.
    But there are many "optimization experts" out there suggesting this very thing.

    "Make WordPress faster by using a CDN." === hogwash.

    I've stopped running sites through "optimization" software/sites, because the suggestions are turning into absolute ignorant moron-a-thons. I could be running a blog with 5 -- FIVE! -- daily viewers, and would be told that my "performance would improve" if only I was using a dedicated Xeon E5500, 4GB+ RAM, and a premium Akamai account. It would also over-analyze XHTML compliance, and suggest I basically rewrite a CMS to comply. (Uh ... no!)

    Truly dumb advice, but all too common now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger33 View Post
    How about unixy which i mentioned earlier - are they good?

    (checking mdhosting now )
    I don't know Unixy, but maybe someone else will chime in with their experiences.

    It can seem like its as hard as pulling teeth to actually get recommendations here, but part of the reason is that the rules require us to have actually used a host before we can recommend them. We also cannot recommend ourselves (not a problem for me; I don't sell VPS). The rules are to prevent blatant promotion and "puffery" ... posting glowing reviews of vendors we have never really used.

    You will get a few companies recommended, so the next step is opening a support ticket with a few of the ones you think might be a fit. Ask them what they recommend for your requirements. In many cases, they can start you out smaller and increase both memory and/or disk space, or processor share, without forcing you to move your sites. In other words, often its possible to go from a small VPS to a larger one without moving accounts; no IP changes, no DNS to worry about, etc.

    If you do go for a shared hosting account, which everyone does agree might work well for you right now, and then have to move to a VPS later, it will require a move. You'll have some "interruption" due to the move, but a company offering full management will usually handle that for you with a minimum of downtime and fuss. You will still need to change your name servers or the IP associated with them, and wait for DNS to resolve, but those are minor details.

    One last bit of advice, which is free (and usually worth it). Go month-to-month at first. At least that way if the new host turns out to be a horrible fit for you, you have only lost one month's payment. After you are established with them, you can go for a longer term if they offer discounts for that.

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    I've been doing just that

    anyone recommended here I've been emailing right away to

    1. check response on sales
    2. ask questions


    I've spoken with Knownhost , unixy and some others



    KNownhost seem interesting but they say they can only support managed if I get a control panel

    I thought that getting a control panel with wordpress would cause problems with memory usage so I thought it would be best to not use a control panel

    with UNixy they say they can help with pretty much everything regardless of control panel.

    I dont see many reviews for Unixy (which is strange given that the reviews i did find are positive - i would have expected even more possible reviews ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshagan View Post
    As to the snide insinuation that my advice is given to induce people to buy from me, why don't you take it up with the mods? They can review my posts and make a judgement as to whether I'm helpful or someone bitching about other people's advice with some nostalgic vision of how things used to be (and check my join date; we've been here the same amount of time).
    Defensive much? You don't even have a signature.

    That was (clearly, I thought, though evidently in error) intended as a general reference to the state of things on WHT these days, where in some threads it seems like two out of every three posts are one-line long, lacking capitalization, punctuation, and either meaningful content or relevance, and quite often, not coincidentally, left by some freshly-minted host who's just joined this week.

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    anyone still going to help me ? haha
    or should I have u folks to it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger33 View Post
    anyone still going to help me ? haha
    or should I have u folks to it ;-)
    Take a look at Cleverkite. They are well within you budget and their support is pretty much a managed service.
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    Thanks alot folks

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    have u decided whom to go with ?
    Do let us know about ur final decision and a review on how it goes after a month

    Let me summarize the recommendations so far:

    1. servint
    2. knownhost
    3. cleverkite
    4. mddhosting
    5. buyvm

    u can also take a look at (in case u haven't decided yet) : wiredtree, futurehosting too they have pretty good reviews too.

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    $100 will get you a sweet hybrid VPS from KnownHost on an awesome network.

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    I recommend Club Uptime. Their support is excellent, you get a lightening fast VPS and cPanel is free with managed hosting.

    All of their managed hosting plans fall well within your budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger33 View Post
    How about unixy which i mentioned earlier - are they good?

    (checking mdhosting now )

    Unixy will also treat you right. Not the cheapest but will fully manage it for you and have not had any performance problems yet (2 months - small sites). Will install and help troubleshoot third party scripts and fine tune your installation. You can't go wrong with any of the hosts mentioned. There are lots of good hosts and a pile of bad ones. Remember you get what you pay for. Your budget should get you a high quality one with some money left over. We all have our favorites. You'll go crazy trying to decide. Make a decision and try it for a month. Check search. Someone within the last couple of weeks was going back and forth between KH and Unixy and decided on Unixy. PM them and ask them how they are making out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankheg View Post
    Defensive much? You don't even have a signature.

    That was (clearly, I thought, though evidently in error) intended as a general reference to the state of things on WHT these days, where in some threads it seems like two out of every three posts are one-line long, lacking capitalization, punctuation, and either meaningful content or relevance, and quite often, not coincidentally, left by some freshly-minted host who's just joined this week.

    As I was saying...
    I removed my signature yesterday. I don't get clients from WHT, so having my company in my signature doesn't benefit me. And it just confuses those looking for something to bitch about.

    When you quote someone, and then rant, it is usual and customary to conclude that the quoted person is the one you are ranting about. I'm not your pastor or your wife, so I didn't think you were venting to me for sympathy.

    The reason people ask for advice is to get ... advice. It is up to them to weed out the wheat from the chaff and determine which advice is more valuable to them. Based on the fact that the OP has responded directly to me and asked for more information leads me to believe that I have contributed at least a bit to his quest, and that my responses were more in line with what he was looking for than your complaints.

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    Ok I'm back after testing a few hosts


    so how did it go....



    Firstly I went with Unixy

    Gotta say.. Fantastic Support, right on the money and pretty much like having your own personal IT team.
    the support wasn't as personal as I would have liked (i.e at no time did I have the names of the person who were actually supporting me).

    The first task was to look at the wordpress blog being added and looking at ways to improve the speed.

    To do this they went through many different tasks - all of which made sense and was fully explained to me

    Once complete the site ws quicker than it had been before.

    But still I had a problem... (using the wordpress admin was unbearly slow... ) front end was mostly quick due to great caching tools.

    the support team once again helped to look at the issues to try and work out the problems.

    Whilst i was happy with the service I was not happy with the speed on the backend.

    So I thought i'll test another host with the same site whilst running with Unixy - just to make sure it wasnt my blog and database causing the problem.

    I setup a account with Knownhost
    the initial support request was not handled that quickly :-(
    but they did get everything setup and running .

    I began testing - and right away I could tell the site was quicker - more importantly quicker via the admin area which was key. (alot quicker)

    I spoke to unixy about this and they couldn't work out why the speed problems in admin. - so I went ahead and deleted the site in unixy and setup another one with minimum data just to see if it was a problem with the import.

    but sadly again slow access via the admin pages.


    at the moment I still have both accounts running but I will be ending my contract with Unixy (again this is no reflection on the quality of their service - as its been first class - support IMO as been alot better than with Knownhost - in terms of response times)

    But ultimately I have to go with the host which is giving me better performance and value for money (i.e knownhost is actually alot cheaper)

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