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    "20 servers to be ordered"- pls suggest a data center

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    1.)we are looking out for better priced unmanaged or semi managed servers.example xeon 3440/12gb ram/1tb HDD/cpanel-130 to 150$ n

    dual xeon quad core 5520/12gb ram/1tb Hdd/cpanel -170 to 200$

    2.)sales staffs who are very friendly and has plenty of time listening to the customers need(sometime sales guys are way too busy in softlayer/rackspace that they are not interested to listen at all,they want a quick deal on the same day)

    3.)expecting a not so big company,but a fast growing one who are flexible in pricing front(initially,we will be placing 20 server orders )

    4.)company must have an active presence in webhostingtalk forum with decent reviews

    any suggestions pls...

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    I don't think anyone would be too busy in sales for that number of servers in 1 sale, for someone who knows what they want and will pay a reasonable price for them.

    Have a scan around the forums at the bottom of wht, to pick up specials and email companies with very specific requirements, stating what will fly and what won't and you should be able to get a great deal. You could always contact someone like DELL directly and ask how much to lease/purchase that many servers and ongoing requirements, then colo and pay for racks, bw, switches etc.

    All the best.

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    Any location demands (US west, US east, EU)?
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    very good, i like the first one.

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    a.)Those servers can be in USA or europe no issues.

    b.)we are particular about pricing and bandwidth we need around 5000gb just as a number,but we wont be using more than 500 to 1000gb per month.

    c.)not only 20 servers but we keep ordering more in future,so we need consistent low cost pricing.

    d.)we are in the industry for 7 yrs and we do not prefer softlayer/rackspace but middle range rapidly growing companies with good data center who are very flexible in pricing and day to day support and billing front.
    companies like securedservers/TMS/gigenet/limestone/singlehop are there..but we need some new suggestions

    thank u

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    So you need 1TB of transfer minimum and servers for around $150pm.. is that transfer per server or the aggregate of 20?

    ie do you need 20TB (and use that) for 20 servers, with more to come?

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    well this servers we host small and medium biz sites.

    1000gb per month per server is maximum usage...but we need the standard 3000gb or 5000gb bandwidth per month ,maybe we may never use that much.

    iam looking at everyday many server deals in dedicated offering...but what i need now is whom i can go with...

    some suggestions from the active members of WHT.

    well till now i did not get anybody answering or suggesting specifically a particular data center .

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    It is not allowed to post offers here, but i'm sure someone will suggest something soon.

    I do think your budget is tight if you want to have 3-5TB on paper and 12GB of RAM. With a 1-2 TB limit it would be more realistic. Not saying it is not possible though
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    Its a big outlay for a hosting company to provide that spec of server for 150/mnth. also considering that if you dont get on with them you decide to leave after 1 month, then that hosting company has spent a lot on hardware.

    good luck with your search

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    we can go for a 1 year contract or 2 years too.

    thats why we mentioned that we are in hosting industry for 7 yrs.

    we will keep the server in the data center for minimum 2 year or even more provided the service is upto the mark.

    why we are searching for new data center is to develop a long term partnership.thats why we need a growing company to be associated with.

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    You really need to be realistic in what you need, if you don't need 3-5TB per server, then say that, otherwise someone like 100TB.com might be for you.

    Reputable companies, will have a hard time selling to you. If you need 20 servers, then they will expect that you know what you want and no fluff.

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    Do you have the price for a dedicated server of 100TB ?

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    Go to 100TB.com for a price.. nobody here can post an offer... not recommending them, but this customer may just fit their model.

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    i7 Nehalem is simply amazing as well.. running hundreds of vm's on them.. restriction is always the amount of ram we put in the nodes.. never anywhere near cpu.. nehalem could be termed overkill but worth every cent imho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abtme View Post
    Its a big outlay for a hosting company to provide that spec of server for 150/mnth. also considering that if you dont get on with them you decide to leave after 1 month, then that hosting company has spent a lot on hardware.

    good luck with your search
    Aren't servers recycled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cedivad View Post
    Aren't servers recycled?
    Yeah but 3-5TB per month per server can't be recycled. And do you really think a company should lease a server for a term just because a customer wants it for their term? 1 month for 20 servers? You pay extra for things like that usually.
    Be realistic for the level of service you want, that's the rule.

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    I suggest having a look in the advertising section and maybe filter out some hosts that fit within your budget
    Most of them also have reviews on WHT, so it's easy to do some comparing for you.

    Any company, big or small, would be interested in getting this amount of servers.
    Keep in mind the smaller one might not be able to provide you with this amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    Yeah but 3-5TB per month per server can't be recycled. And do you really think a company should lease a server for a term just because a customer wants it for their term? 1 month for 20 servers? You pay extra for things like that usually.
    Be realistic for the level of service you want, that's the rule.
    You're not making sense. The OP did pay for the bandwidth, didn't they?
    Most datacenters are large enough that 20 servers of stock is not a significant hassle to sell again, especially since the OP's configuration is not uncommon.

    Finally, DCs should charge such that the monthly covers their costs fully (with profit) and even a 1 month term will make no loss. If they reduce the price in expectation for longer term stays and to attract customers, this is a risk they have to undertake.

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    Are you going to order 20 at one go ? If you are ordering 20 at a time, then that pricing is surely possible, but if you are going to order 1 every week or fortnight, then you should be ready to shell out a bit more.

    Some small (and fast growing companies) might not have 20 of one configuration in stock at a time.

    Are you prepared to wait for 3 days - 1 week for setups ? If not, the biggies might be the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    dear members


    1.)we are looking out for better priced unmanaged or semi managed servers.example xeon 3440/12gb ram/1tb HDD/cpanel-130 to 150$ n

    dual xeon quad core 5520/12gb ram/1tb Hdd/cpanel -170 to 200$

    2.)sales staffs who are very friendly and has plenty of time listening to the customers need(sometime sales guys are way too busy in softlayer/rackspace that they are not interested to listen at all,they want a quick deal on the same day)

    3.)expecting a not so big company,but a fast growing one who are flexible in pricing front(initially,we will be placing 20 server orders )

    4.)company must have an active presence in webhostingtalk forum with decent reviews

    any suggestions pls...
    If you are budget conscious, you can try VolumeDrive.
    Their pricing are budget, but you should expect that support is minimal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsj5j View Post
    You're not making sense. The OP did pay for the bandwidth, didn't they?
    Most datacenters are large enough that 20 servers of stock is not a significant hassle to sell again, especially since the OP's configuration is not uncommon.

    Finally, DCs should charge such that the monthly covers their costs fully (with profit) and even a 1 month term will make no loss. If they reduce the price in expectation for longer term stays and to attract customers, this is a risk they have to undertake.
    You are not living in the real world, but that of the consumer and marketing spin. In the words of spock.. illogical Jim.
    You don't make that much sense either, but then that's just my take on the post with my 11 years experience in the industry.. no that that counts for anything, you will no doubt know better, I concede that as it doesn't bother me a whole deal,

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    You are not living in the real world, but that of the consumer and marketing spin. In the words of spock.. illogical Jim.
    You don't make that much sense either, but then that's just my take on the post with my 11 years experience in the industry.. no that that counts for anything, you will no doubt know better, I concede that as it doesn't bother me a whole deal,
    Please don't ramble, because your post contained no logic at all.

    Let me make this easier for you:
    - OP, unless limited by contract, can quit after one month. It's his right.
    - Companies, unless enforcing in a contract, cannot begrudge a client for leaving after a month. They should have priced their product accordingly to account for the possibility of the OP leaving after the shortest possible lease term.
    - If you check companies like VolumeDrive, they are capable of handling OP's requirements and budget concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsj5j View Post
    Please don't ramble, because your post contained no logic at all.

    Let me make this easier for you:
    - OP, unless limited by contract, can quit after one month. It's his right.
    - Companies, unless enforcing in a contract, cannot begrudge a client for leaving after a month. They should have priced their product accordingly to account for the possibility of the OP leaving after the shortest possible lease term.
    - If you check companies like VolumeDrive, they are capable of handling OP's requirements and budget concerns.
    Again, you will get what you pay for.

    I don't ramble too much, I actually do know what I'm talking about.

    Good luck in your search.

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    You do have a tight budget you are working with but the good thing is you are pretty clear on what you want/need and are flexible with datacenter location. With the volume of servers you are seeking I am sure you can find a quality hosting provider that can help you with your request.

    As mentioned providers are not allowed to solicit business from the forum. I would suggest you also try the Find a Host section of Web Hosting Talk and contact a few companies directly.

    Best of luck on your search!

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    I would imagine you might need to step up your budget a little bit. A dual 5520 with cPanel, 12GB DDR3 RAM, and a 1TB drive would most likely cost over $200. As StevenG stated, the Nehalems are the way to go.
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    I think the x3440 is doable if you are looking to pay a small setup fee for the additional RAM, but the 5520 for $200/mo will be hard to find in my opinion. It may be slight more for that.

    One thing to note is that it sounds like the OP is not from US, so if a US based provider does sign some sort of a contract for a year with this person and they break it, it will be very difficult to enforce since this is not a colo deal. I'm not saying that this will happen, but something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abtme View Post
    Its a big outlay for a hosting company to provide that spec of server for 150/mnth. also considering that if you dont get on with them you decide to leave after 1 month, then that hosting company has spent a lot on hardware.

    good luck with your search
    I have to agree. You're talking about $20k + of hardware upfront. This might be why the sales people at the previously mentioned people are not interested. You're budget is going to have to come up, and I would be willing to be you're going to incur some upfront setup costs. The only way I see you reaching your budget goals is if you are fronting the build costs 100%. short of that, anyone in this industry would go broke with 6-12 mo. ROI's and all that risk.

    I'd suggest you either look at Colo, or find a place that will build all this stuff for you at cost (your cost of course) let you own the equipment and pay you your budgeted monthly fee you're looking for.

    Short of that, I don't see how anyone here, or anyone you listed before could possibly accomplish what you ask.

    Hope that helps.
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    iam 100% sure ill keep the server for more than a year.

    can u suggest some data center which is very good according to your opinion.

    iam expecting some data center on par to COLO4(TMS)/PHONEIX NAP(SECUREDSERVERS) like that

    please suggest some data center and guide us with few points on why we must opt for that data center.

    thank u

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    iam 100% sure ill keep the server for more than a year.

    can u suggest some data center which is very good according to your opinion.

    iam expecting some data center on par to COLO4(TMS)/PHONEIX NAP(SECUREDSERVERS) like that

    please suggest some data center and guide us with few points on why we must opt for that data center.

    thank u
    Contact dedicatednow.com sales team and see if they can make a deal with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    we can go for a 1 year contract or 2 years too.

    thats why we mentioned that we are in hosting industry for 7 yrs.

    we will keep the server in the data center for minimum 2 year or even more provided the service is upto the mark.

    why we are searching for new data center is to develop a long term partnership.thats why we need a growing company to be associated with.
    Are you able to prepay for any period of time...3, 6 or 12 month? If so I am sure you would find many places willing to make you some very aggressive offers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    iam 100% sure ill keep the server for more than a year.

    can u suggest some data center which is very good according to your opinion.

    iam expecting some data center on par to COLO4(TMS)/PHONEIX NAP(SECUREDSERVERS) like that

    please suggest some data center and guide us with few points on why we must opt for that data center.

    thank u
    As I indicated previously, along with your offer to sign a contract you're going to need to think about some form of pre-payment or setup fee. It's a lot of money for any provider to front without any security up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    1.)we are looking out for better priced unmanaged or semi managed servers.example xeon 3440/12gb ram/1tb HDD/cpanel-130 to 150$ n

    dual xeon quad core 5520/12gb ram/1tb Hdd/cpanel -170 to 200$
    For the Xeon 3440's, most socket 1156 motherboards tend to have 4x DIMM slots. You'll either need to go 8GB or 16GB. Keep in mind that for 16GB, you would need 4GB sticks, which still cost about 50% more on a per GB basis than 2GB sticks.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    b.)we are particular about pricing and bandwidth we need around 5000gb just as a number,but we wont be using more than 500 to 1000gb per month.
    If you could reduce your bandwidth from 5TB to 2TB, that pricing might be more feasible. Since you say most servers only use ~1TB, I take it your concern is that you might end up paying overage on a few select servers? If you worked with a provider that allowed you to pool your bandwidth across all your servers, the 2TB per server might be ample for your needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    well till now i did not get anybody answering or suggesting specifically a particular data center .
    It's against the rules for providers to make offers, or contact people for sales on the forums here. If any provider does do that, stay away from them as their business ethics would be questionable.
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    This thread got 33 responses and i end up getting 2 data center suggestions from webhostingtalk members.

    those were

    dedicatednow and volumedrive.

    is there only 2 companies who can provide in that price range?

    companies dont need to post or promote as its against the forum rule....but what iam expecting is getting some useful inputs from members about few datacenter to which i can start talking to place the orders.

    recommend few more data center options pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    but what iam expecting is getting some useful inputs from members about few datacenter to which i can start talking to place the orders.

    recommend few more data center options pls
    I suspect it's because your question is quite specific. Not many people buy 20 servers at a time, even fewer will have done it at your price range, and very few people if anyone would have made such a deal recently from the customer perspective. I'm sure many providers could answer whether or not they'd be willing to do such a deal, but they'd be in violation of the forum rules if they did so.

    At the end of the day, you'll need to talk to prospective providers to determine whether or not your desired pricing at the specified volume is something they'd be willing to work with. Rather than looking for a provider at that price point however, you might be better off just finding a provider you like and then talking to their sales to see if they can hit that price point for you. Good luck!
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    i agree...

    what i want is good suggestions from u all on few data center which is reliable and cost effective.ill talk to those data center and get the deal done.

    in general i need some recommendation from fellow wht members about cost effective and trustable data center names from their own experience.

    thank u

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    what i want is good suggestions from u all on few data center which is reliable and cost effective.
    In todays market, all existing large dedicated server providers are reliable and cost effective. If a dedicated server provider is not large enough, reliable enough or cost effective enough (or provides true value) then they get either taken over or disappear.
    You only need to determine for yourself if you like to work with the provider themself or with a reseller of a provider. There are really not that many (large) dedicated server providers, but there are 100s if not 1000s of resellers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    i agree...

    what i want is good suggestions from u all on few data center which is reliable and cost effective.ill talk to those data center and get the deal done.

    in general i need some recommendation from fellow wht members about cost effective and trustable data center names from their own experience.

    thank u
    You already listed a few providers yourself, have you tried contacting them?

    Also, as Swiftway said, you may want to consider a reseller as well as sometimes you can get a better deal through one than through a DC directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew34 View Post
    we can go for a 1 year contract or 2 years too.

    thats why we mentioned that we are in hosting industry for 7 yrs.

    we will keep the server in the data center for minimum 2 year or even more provided the service is upto the mark.
    If you're willing to go for 2 years contract then why not consider colo? There are many small-medium providers that would be very very flexible even for colo packages.
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