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    Wow this is so awful. I cannot believe this man thinks he is actually doing Africa a favor by killing this elephant. There are so many other options to either get rid of the elephant or protect the crops from the elephants, without killing them.

    Just...wow.
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    it just too bad to hear that kind of news
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    Quote Originally Posted by linux-tech View Post
    So, in the reverse, you would support animals just mauling individuals for taking their property (what was, originally theirs), etc? Of course not. Nobody would. So again, what makes humans more 'special' here? These elephants are endangered, what part of that do you not get? They're endangered because idiots like this do stupid crap like this for fun. These elephants didn't walk up to godaddy and start attacking it. No, no, they were merely living their lives out as endangered species when these idiots came up with a plan to not only shoot them but film it and brag about it.
    Animals can and do protect their property. Who do you blame when bears protect their cubs, when bees defend their hives, when birds protect their nests and when ants defend their colonies? Do you blame the animal?

    Let's face it, if the bees didn't choose and protect their place where they build their hive, they wouldn't exist. If bears didn't choose and protect their place where they raise their young, they wouldn't exist. If humans didn't choose and protect their place where they build their life, WE wouldn't exist.

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    This is a simple matter of wolf versus man.
    If my livelihood is threatened by an aggressive animal, do i have the right to survive over that animal? Human rights vs animal rights.
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    Next up, bob parsons will take to the sea and kill a whale to protect the local fisherman who are barely making ends meet lol. Wow.. what a sad and ridiculous story. Just another reason why I wont ever do business with godaddy in any way shape or form.
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    Of all the reasons not to use GoDaddy, this is a non-issue. If you're going to move away from GoDaddy, why not move away to a company that's not using this as a cheap sales tactic (and don't say it's not because they lose money on the first year's registration, I know a loss-leader when I see one).

    There's so much ignorance in this thread it's astonishing.

    Quote Originally Posted by zomex View Post
    Clearly he enjoys hunting the elephants. If he was really there to help the farmers he'd donate money into building lots of strong fences around the farms
    I'm sure if you can devise a fence that'll stop a hungry, 13,000lb animal that was cheap enough to build in places like this, many African governments would probably be all over it.

    If it's not cheap, but was effective, guess how they'd pay for it? Elephant hunting licenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    elephants are endangered and shooting them is banned worldwide.
    If by "endangered" you mean "vulnerable status", and by "is banned worldwide" you mean "is strictly controlled by incredibly expensive game licenses that actually help fund the protection of these beasts from rampant poaching then I'm sure you have a point.

    That's a pretty big "if" though...
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    Trust me, I'm all for damage control. I've hunted deer and I know the benefits of keeping numbers in check.

    However what I do have an issue with is that there were other options than killing. Like has been said before, the elephants could have been taken to an African safari park. Take for example the Leopard problem in Belize...there were problematic leopards that were killing cattle. Instead of shooting them, villages were paid to trap them alive and then they were given to wildlife institutions around the world to help educate the public.

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    I just received the NameCheap email. With the money Bob Parsons has, he could've transfered that elephant over to a wildlife refuge, and have the same result - less damaged crops. I could see a video of an African villager hunting an elephant, that's all they can do down there, but a very powerful CEO with plenty of power? Hell no!

    I have never had an account with GoDaddy or any of its resellers, and never will. GoDaddy is a thing of the past anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwaggle View Post
    Of all the reasons not to use GoDaddy, this is a non-issue. If you're going to move away from GoDaddy, why not move away to a company that's not using this as a cheap sales tactic (and don't say it's not because they lose money on the first year's registration, I know a loss-leader when I see one).
    You cant really knock on Name-cheap for taking advantage of the situation. I do think its somewhat of a cheap tactic, but do you blame them for trying to take advantage? people are obviously pissed @ godaddy, why not give those pissed off people a place to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fwaggle
    Of all the reasons not to use GoDaddy, this is a non-issue. If you're going to move away from GoDaddy, why not move away to a company that's not using this as a cheap sales tactic (and don't say it's not because they lose money on the first year's registration, I know a loss-leader when I see one).
    The hosting industry is cut throat...it is a very smart marketing ploy if you ask me.

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    As an aside, I am really surprised at how many people are using this as an excuse to get away from GoDaddy. For those of us who remember GoDaddy from the very beginning (and I'm talking back before you could register domains with them), they've done very well for themselves.

    The one thing that has always had GoDaddy in my good books is the fact that they keep ALL of their jobs in America. I'm not even American and I have tons of respect for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImponenteHost View Post
    I could see a video of an African villager hunting an elephant, that's all they can do down there, but a very powerful CEO with plenty of power? Hell no!
    ^^ This.

    The only reason this is an issue is because the CEO of GoDaddy is a powerful person.

    If this was one of those native African people you see on National Geographic that did this nobody would be talking about it or care one bit about this.
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    who gave the right to those villagers to just cut down the forest and make room for agriculture ?

    for this is what they are doing in africa. THEY are encroaching on the forest. not the forest on them.

    in that regard, yeah, elephants actually do have the right to trample down any willy nilly deforester. and actually i do want them trampled - for they are eventually contributing to all of us having LESS oxygen worldwide. the effect of the ignorant self-centered in africa or amazon or elsewhere, affects all of you, and your children.

    If by "endangered" you mean "vulnerable status", and by "is banned worldwide" you mean "is strictly controlled by incredibly expensive game licenses that actually help fund the protection of these beasts from rampant poaching then I'm sure you have a point.

    That's a pretty big "if" though...
    yes. a pretty big if, like how despite whaling is banned worldwide, japan is hunting them for 'scientific purposes' and selling them in tokyo restaurants.

    some governments making money off of something does not make it legal. they may have legalized it among themselves.

    and actually this puts this entire 'elephant defense' thing in a whole different light.

    how coincidental it is, for bob bigego parsons to be in africa in an african village at the time, and, evil, evil elephants be ransacking that village right at that time, and bigego parsons being present there to 'defend' the village, not only enjoy, but film every last bit of it, including the oh so repressed villagers brutalizing the corpse, and edit the ******* video with various hard'n heavy tunes and upload it to a fscking blog .....


    this is a coincidence that has a chance as high as there being no other sentient civilization somewhere in the galaxy, apart from earth.

    zero.

    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    ^^ This.

    The only reason this is an issue is because the CEO of GoDaddy is a powerful person.

    If this was one of those native African people you see on National Geographic that did this nobody would be talking about it or care one bit about this.
    of course noone wouldnt be talking about it much.

    because, everyone would just rightfully think that an ignorant, in-need african villager, who has had no means to survive and who has had no education opportunities, and in a position to naturally care little for the ethics of the civilized world, had acted out of ignorance.

    however, when a ceo of a very big corporation, who has had good education, lived in a civilized country, has had access to not only a lot of opportunities to get good ethics, but also has had access to a lot of means of information like internet and more, who also is in NO WAY need of anything - leave aside going and killing a freaking elephant africa - goes and COINCIDENTALLY happens to end up killing an elephant, who had had chanced up to be ravaging a village in godfrigging huge africa (a biig biig place), and then made a edited, music-added, 'hard and tough' looking video out of it and posted it to a blog,

    yes. people will talk about it. because there IS a problem there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    As an aside, I am really surprised at how many people are using this as an excuse to get away from GoDaddy. For those of us who remember GoDaddy from the very beginning (and I'm talking back before you could register domains with them), they've done very well for themselves.

    The one thing that has always had GoDaddy in my good books is the fact that they keep ALL of their jobs in America. I'm not even American and I have tons of respect for that.
    yes. basically your political views clouding your judgment and ethics.

    thats bad.

    "hey, youre keeping your 'jobs' in america ? why yes. then you can of course go COINCIDENTALLY defend an african village from elephants, and kill, film the process and edit the video with hard and heavy tunes and upload it for show. its ok. we have a lot of respect for that too. because, well, you keep jobs in america."
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    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    yes. basically your political views clouding your judgment and ethics.

    thats bad.

    "hey, youre keeping your 'jobs' in america ? why yes. then you can of course go COINCIDENTALLY defend an african village from elephants, and kill, film the process and edit the video with hard and heavy tunes and upload it for show. its ok. we have a lot of respect for that too. because, well, you keep jobs in america."
    As I specifically stated, that was just a side comment about GoDaddy. People are very quick to point out the negatives, but positives are far and few between. I can guarantee that someone will read that who didn't know about it before.

    It's funny because you raise another interesting point.

    because, everyone would just rightfully think that an ignorant, in-need african villager, who has had no means to survive and who has had no education opportunities, and in a position to naturally care little for the ethics of the civilized world, had acted out of ignorance.
    I think some people forget that humans are animals just like anything else. What you call "ignorance" is a great example of someone using their primal instincts. If that villager were a lion and that elephant were a zebra, everyone would be nodding their head and saying "yep, that makes sense". For some reason people have the delusion that there is a point on the food chain where "rights" get reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    As an aside, I am really surprised at how many people are using this as an excuse to get away from GoDaddy.
    I dont think people are necessarily using it as an excuse to get away from godaddy, I think more people are using this as an excuse to attack godaddy. Which in my opinion, is fair game. I've always used their overselling, shady marketing tactics and poor server performance as reasons why you shouldn't host with godaddy. If I can now add that there CEO likes to kill elephants for fun and appears to be somewhat of a douche bag, why not?

    Kinda makes you wonder what else he likes to do for fun...


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    The one thing that has always had GoDaddy in my good books is the fact that they keep ALL of their jobs in America. I'm not even American and I have tons of respect for that.
    I agree with you that is respectable (as a company), however after watching the actual video, it makes you wonder about the character of the man behind the company? Brash, Cocky, Egotistical are all traits that do not get my respect. I definitely wouldn't want a person like that running my company, nor would I want to empower a person like that any further.

    Whats most disturbing about this situation is that he actually thought filming and editing the video was going to be a good idea? Kinda makes you wonder about where is head is at?

    At least that's how I feel about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    I think some people forget that humans are animals just like anything else. What you call "ignorance" is a great example of someone using their primal instincts. If that villager were a lion and that elephant were a zebra, everyone would be nodding their head and saying "yep, that makes sense". For some reason people have the delusion that there is a point on the food chain where "rights" get reversed.
    Isn't that what separates us from animals? (Watch out, this thread just got deep!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FernGullyGraphics View Post
    You cant really knock on Name-cheap for taking advantage of the situation. I do think its somewhat of a cheap tactic, but do you blame them for trying to take advantage? people are obviously pissed @ godaddy, why not give those pissed off people a place to go?
    I think it's tacky marketing on their behalf... they'll get away with it, because their target is the master of tacky marketing.

    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    yes. a pretty big if, like how despite whaling is banned worldwide, japan is hunting them for 'scientific purposes' and selling them in tokyo restaurants.
    Not the same thing at all, re-read my point. The Indian and Asian elephants are endangered, African elephants are "vulnerable" (which is the highest tier before a species ceases to be "threatened").

    These hunting licenses have helped fund defense against poaching - poaching which I believe almost sent the things extinct. Allow a few rich fools to part with huge sums of cash for the privilege of blowing one away, so you can save 50 or so from having their tusks cut off and being left to bleed out somewhere.

    'Course corruption being what it is, obviously some money gets spent elsewhere... but still, the facts of the situation are a far cry from your assertion that African Elephants are "endangered" and "shooting them is banned worldwide".

    It sucks that it's yet another case of "rich privilege", but look where things like this take place. Money gets things done. You can't fight poaching without money, and the easiest way for these countries to get money is from stupid wealthy hunters.

    some governments making money off of something does not make it legal. they may have legalized it among themselves.
    Then who made it illegal in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FernGullyGraphics View Post
    I dont think people are necessarily using it as an excuse to get away from godaddy, I think more people are using this as an excuse to attack godaddy. Which in my opinion, is fair game. I've always used their overselling, shady marketing tactics and poor server performance as reasons why you shouldn't host with godaddy. If I can now add that there CEO likes to kill elephants for fun and appears to be somewhat of a douche bag, why not?

    Kinda makes you wonder what else he likes to do for fun...




    I agree with you that is respectable (as a company), however after watching the actual video, it makes you wonder about the character of the man behind the company? Brash, Cocky, Egotistical are all traits that do not get my respect. I definitely wouldn't want a person like that running my company, nor would I want to empower a person like that any further.

    Whats most disturbing about this situation is that he actually thought filming and editing the video was going to be a good idea? Kinda makes you wonder about where is head is at?

    At least that's how I feel about it
    I see what you're saying.

    I can't say that I am surprised that he was filming only because I am aware of his highly popular video blogs. He is certainly known for sharing his experiences, that's for sure. Egotistical? Not sure I'd go that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    of course noone wouldnt be talking about it much.

    because, everyone would just rightfully think that an ignorant, in-need african villager, who has had no means to survive and who has had no education opportunities, and in a position to naturally care little for the ethics of the civilized world, had acted out of ignorance.
    Or they'd say that Africans have been eating elephants since Mammoths were still around and say it's not an issue. Same reason nobody complains about south east Asians eating horses or the native americans eating bison/buffalo.

    If anything, those native people should start eating more elephants and then perhaps they'd be domesticated for food purposes and their populations would be huge. It certainly worked for cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, salmon, corn, and pretty much every other living thing on this planet we raise. The american buffalo was saved from extinction because people eat them, as were many kinds of fish which are now farm-raised and have strong populations again.

    Or they'd just say it's the process of natural selection and evolution at work. For all we know the elephants are supposed to go extinct so they stop knocking down trees in the forest or whatever. For every argument people make about endangered species the counter-argument is species have been going extinct since life on earth started so it's not our place to decide what needs protecting or not we should just do what comes natural.

    I don't agree with what the GoDaddy CEO did making this a publicity stunt (let's be honest, he did this because he knew people would talk about it and there's no such thing as bad publicity) but at the same time I don't agree with all the people that say it isn't right for humans, as superior animals/predators, to do what nature intended and kill lesser animals for our own purposes when it suits us. The same way a grizzly bear or a killer whale will eat a human if we get too close and it's hungry, a human will eat an elephant or any other animal if it gets close enough and we're hungry. It's the natural order of things. Of course, the CEO of GoDaddy didn't kill that elephant because he was hungry or because that elephant was in his habitat in Arizona or wherever he lives - he killed as a publicity stunt, which it not right since he went to where the elephants live for the explicit purpose of killing them and publicizing it. But if you have ever squished a bug in your life because it was in your house you have no room to be critical of anybody else for killing animals when they invade our space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    Or they'd just say it's the process of natural selection and evolution at work. For all we know the elephants are supposed to go extinct so they stop knocking down trees in the forest or whatever. For every argument people make about endangered species the counter-argument is species have been going extinct since life on earth started so it's not our place to decide what needs protecting or not we should just do what comes natural.

    I don't agree with what the GoDaddy CEO did making this a publicity stunt (let's be honest, he did this because he knew people would talk about it and there's no such thing as bad publicity) but at the same time I don't agree with all the people that say it isn't right for humans, as superior animals/predators, to do what nature intended and kill lesser animals for our own purposes when it suits us. The same way a grizzly bear or a killer whale will eat a human if we get too close and it's hungry, a human will eat an elephant or any other animal if it gets close enough and we're hungry. It's the natural order of things. Of course, the CEO of GoDaddy didn't kill that elephant because he was hungry or because that elephant was in his habitat in Arizona or wherever he lives.
    Well said.

    That was also my next point, how many people do you think have typed "GoDaddy" into Google having no idea what it is as a result of this? And of those people, I wonder how many realized that they should be on the web? GoDaddy has used a number of interesting marketing tactics (their GoDaddy girls and the Super Bowl ads), but hey, we all know how the hosting kingdom works - eat or be eaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    As I specifically stated, that was just a side comment about GoDaddy. People are very quick to point out the negatives, but positives are far and few between. I can guarantee that someone will read that who didn't know about it before.

    It's funny because you raise another interesting point.
    there is more to that.

    in everything in life, i think that whatever the nature/character of any kind of person or organization is, it eventually shows up in all aspects of their daily life. this may be a person, may be a corporation.

    bob parsons is the ceo of that corporation. it is inevitable that he will shape the company even more and more with his character. this happened with every company from sun to google, and godaddy is not an exception. that his character didnt fully manifest in the company up till this time does not mean that it wont. (if you dont count the rather dubious domain confiscations, and the horrible advertising perspective as manifestations of this).

    I think some people forget that humans are animals just like anything else. What you call "ignorance" is a great example of someone using their primal instincts. If that villager were a lion and that elephant were a zebra, everyone would be nodding their head and saying "yep, that makes sense". For some reason people have the delusion that there is a point on the food chain where "rights" get reversed.
    we may be animals. but, we are trying to be more than animals. those who had means to be able to be more than animals, cannot justify reverting to animalistic behavior. especially if they specifically go seek that behavior in freaking africa.

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    Then who made it illegal in the first place?
    160 countries who signed and participating in the below treaty.

    http://www.un.org/works/OLD/environm.../elephant.html

    before you even wander off - arguing otherwise would justify a country not signing such an international treaty and legalizing slavery or cannibalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    I see what you're saying.

    I can't say that I am surprised that he was filming only because I am aware of his highly popular video blogs. He is certainly known for sharing his experiences, that's for sure. Egotistical? Not sure I'd go that far.
    'sharing experience' to the point of editing it with hard and heavy tunes ...

    if someone who had had not been for his mega ego, it could have been attributed to a fluke, or a mistake, or miscalculation.

    but for someone who is already well known to have an overinflated ego, it just means that it follows his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post

    I don't agree with what the GoDaddy CEO did making this a publicity stunt (let's be honest, he did this because he knew people would talk about it and there's no such thing as bad publicity)
    Maybe if you are Lindsey Lohan and you are just trying to find any reason to stay in the spotlight. But in this business (or any business), bad publicity, is not good for business.

    Unless he decides to donate a huge chunk of change to prevent the pouching of elephants, along with an apology, I dont see how this is going to be good for godaddy in any, way, shape or form.
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    we may be animals. but, we are trying to be more than animals. those who had means to be able to be more than animals, cannot justify reverting to animalistic behavior. especially if they specifically go seek that behavior in freaking africa.
    If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, but acts like a horse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    Or they'd say that Africans have been eating elephants since Mammoths were still around and say it's not an issue. Same reason nobody complains about south east Asians eating horses or the native americans eating bison/buffalo.
    if they say that, they would be wrong.

    because, it is estimated that the biggest reason for mammoths' and later elephants' decline, is named as humans. we. ourselves.

    youngest mammoth discovered was dead in between 3000 BC - 1700 BC. the conditions in siberia, are still agreeable for this species, and it is a huge, huge area that surpasses a number of landmasses that are called continents on this globe.

    basically humans hunted mammoths to extinction, than the melting ice.

    'africans hunting mammoths since they were around' is lack of logic. its devoid of cognitive effort. because, if one goes to 'that has been happening since' argument, there is no way it would be stopped at any point. you can justify cannibalism, repression of women, slavery, raiding and more.

    If anything, those native people should start eating more elephants and then perhaps they'd be domesticated for food purposes and their populations would be huge. It certainly worked for cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, salmon, corn, and pretty much every other living thing on this planet we raise. The american buffalo was saved from extinction because people eat them, as were many kinds of fish which are now farm-raised and have strong populations again.

    Or they'd just say it's the process of natural selection and evolution at work. For all we know the elephants are supposed to go extinct so they stop knocking down trees in the forest or whatever. For every argument people make about endangered species the counter-argument is species have been going extinct since life on earth started so it's not our place to decide what needs protecting or not we should just do what comes natural.
    or maybe, the society of 21st century stop acting like society of 3000 BC, and be more responsible in dealings with the house it lives in, and the other creatures it lives with, as would be expected from the supposed level of their civilization ?

    it is appalling that that part always conveniently escapes arguments, whereas people like you are easily able to hatch a lot of excuses ranging from 'it has been happening before' to 'maybe its better we establish a meat brutalization industry over them'.

    why not reestablish slavery then ? it had had been around, and it had worked quite well up to that point. slave population may rise too.

    The same way a grizzly bear or a killer whale will eat a human if we get too close and it's hungry, a human will eat an elephant or any other animal if it gets close enough and we're hungry. It's the natural order of things. Of course, the CEO of GoDaddy didn't kill that elephant because he was hungry or because that elephant was in his habitat in Arizona or wherever he lives - he killed as a publicity stunt, which it not right since he went to where the elephants live for the explicit purpose of killing them and publicizing it. But if you have ever squished a bug in your life because it was in your house you have no room to be critical of anybody else for killing animals when they invade our space.
    there isnt any 'natural order' of things. open the window and look around. how much 'natural' do you see ? look at the monitor in front of you. is it natural ?

    NONE of the conditions you are living in, is natural. and someone enjoying such conditions, on the basis of establishing a more advanced civilization, cannot justify brutality and assholery based on some vague definition of 'natural order'.

    if natural order of life is strong killing and eating or enslaving or exploiting weak things, there is nothing barring someone from whacking your head in a back alley and stealing your money.

    natural order.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bee View Post
    If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, but acts like a horse..
    in the light of your above logic, i now see that i was wrong.

    alright. lets go back to clubbing each other in the head, and then taking each others' women.
    Last edited by unity100; 03-31-2011 at 07:14 PM.

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