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03-30-2011, 09:38 PM #1Junior Guru Wannabe
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Need help for choosing the right parts and building my SuperMicro 1U.
Hello,
I'm in the process to build a 1U for personal use but i'm not an expert to choose the right parts. I do not want to have compatibility issues or missing parts.
Any expert that could help me ? I would be grateful.
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Case: SuperMicro 1U (813MTQ-350CB) with 350W GOLD, with RAILS.
+ [OPTIONAL] 1x. Air Shroud for UP (single processor) (MCP-310-18009-0N)
+ [OPTIONAL] 1x. 1U, 40x28mm 4-pin 13k RPM High-Performance PWM Fan (FAN-0065L4)
+ [OPTIONAL] 1x. Front Bezel Black (CSE-PTFB-813LB)
+ [SPARES PSU] 1x. 350W 1U Multi output 80 Plus GOLD PSU (PWS-351-1H)
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SuperMicro microATX X9SCM-F LGA1155 with IPMI2.0
4x SATA2 (3Gbps) w/ RAID 0, 1, 5, 10
2x SATA3 (6Gbps) w/ RAID 0, 1, 5, 10
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Processor: XEONQUADCORE E3-1270 80W 3.4GHZ 8M 911170S (BX80623E31270)
+ Supermicro CPU Cooler SNK-P0046P 1U Passive Heatsink for X8SIS LGA1156 LGA1155 Retail
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RAM: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Server Memory
(KVR1333D3E9SK2/8G)
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HDDs: 4x Western Digital RE4 1TB SATA 3 Gb/s 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM (WD1003FBYX)
(RAID-10 with onboard controller)
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03-30-2011, 09:52 PM #2Rockin' the beer gut
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Onboard RAID is BAD.
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03-30-2011, 09:54 PM #3Junior Guru Wannabe
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No budget for now for buying a 500$ Hardware RAID card.
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03-30-2011, 10:11 PM #4Rockin' the beer gut
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Then use software RAID.
If you are that short on cash, get an Adaptec 2405 they are $200 and do 4 ports. But you should have them put in an extra fan to help cool it (~20 more).AS395558
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03-30-2011, 10:26 PM #5Junior Guru Wannabe
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@Dougy:
Thanks for your advice. I will think about that. I'm not an expert in RAID setup.
For now, my preoccupation is ordering parts. I want to be sure that everything is correct.
I'm planning to install Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard (because i do not have the choice).
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03-30-2011, 10:55 PM #6Junior Guru Wannabe
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I have read that SOFTWARE RAID on Windows Server 2008 R2 x64 could be a pain in the ass when a mirror fail.
If i go for Hardware RAID, can i install the OS on it and no worry if a mirror fail ?
I want to do a RAID-10. Thanks for your help.
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03-30-2011, 11:52 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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u should NOT use software raid or raid cards that pass the processing to the cpu,
if you dont undertand raid, dont use it sata 6 is pretty friking fast as it is
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03-31-2011, 09:21 AM #8Junior Guru Wannabe
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Put the RAID on hold and what about my setup.
Any missing parts or compatibility problem ?
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03-31-2011, 10:05 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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I would downgrade the CPU from E3-1270 (3.4Ghz 4C/8T) to E3-1230 (3.2Ghz 4C/8T) and I would also forgo the front bezel which is really useless for a production server. then, I could use the saving toward either a hardware RAID-10 controller such as Adaptec 2405 or make it 16GB RAM. the benefit of extra 0.2Ghz is not apparent at all, but hardware RAID card or extra 8G RAM definitely is. must spent money wisely...
if you did decide to go for hardware RAID card, then you would need:
CSE-RR1U-E8 1U PCI-E riser
CBL-0278L fan-out cable with 4x 90d SATA connectors.
if you opt for software RAID, then WD 1TB caviar black 64M buffer (WD1002FAEX) will do just fine, no need to use RE4 drives. this will easily save you 200 bucks toward more RAM, perhaps.Last edited by cwl@apaqdigital; 03-31-2011 at 10:12 AM.
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03-31-2011, 10:43 AM #10Junior Guru Wannabe
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@cwl@apaqdigital: thanks for your advice.
I'm starting to think that doing RAID-10 not worth the money for my personal server installed into a datacenter on a 100mbits.
#1. bottleneck of 100mbits
#2. not really I/O intensive
#3. I have physical access and i can shutdown the night for hardware maintenance.
What do you think of 3x WD 1TB Black Caviar SATA3 64M (WD1002FAEX)
1 for OS + SQL
1 for db + file
1 for image backup
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03-31-2011, 11:10 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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03-31-2011, 11:13 AM #12Disabled
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03-31-2011, 01:02 PM #13Junior Guru Wannabe
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1TB is way too much for now but i prefer to have more space than not enough.
I was thinking to do a RAID-10 for security purpose because of the mirror.
Plus, it is not I/O intensive, so i won't benefit from extra speed offered with RAID-10.
I have read somewhere that the primary advantage of Hardware RAID is that it offloads parity calculations to a dedicated processor.
But RAID 0/1/1+0 don't have parity to calculate.
I am a little confused.
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03-31-2011, 02:20 PM #14Web Hosting Master
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RAID is NOT an alternative to backups!!! It should not be treated as such!
RAID is there to provide some level of fault tolerance and for performance. Regardless if you use RAID or not, you should keep off-server, preferably in a different datacenter, backups of all important data!
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03-31-2011, 04:00 PM #15Junior Guru Wannabe
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03-31-2011, 06:59 PM #16Web Hosting Master
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that's not quite correct! we install and boot from OS software RAID all day long...
however, boot volume can only be RAID1 mirror! thus, you will need to create a pair of small RAID partitions from two drives for "/boot", then configure the rest from 4 drives for raid-10.
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03-31-2011, 07:34 PM #17Junior Guru Wannabe
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cwl@apaqdigital:
We are now talking of a total of 6 HDDs ?
There is only 4x 3.5" Hot-swap SAS/SATA Drive Bays with the 1U model that i want to buy.
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03-31-2011, 07:42 PM #19Junior Guru Wannabe
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SamBarrow:
You're right.
Excuse my ignorance, i mixed "drives" and "partitions"
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03-31-2011, 08:23 PM #21Junior Guru Wannabe
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03-31-2011, 08:39 PM #23Junior Guru Wannabe
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SamBarrow: You're right for disks I/O access to db and other. These need to be taken in consideration
I will probably start with Software RAID on Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard x64
I will create a boot volume of 100GB on two drives for the OS then do RAID1 mirror, then create RAID-10 with my four WD RE4 1TB.
People here are so helpful.
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03-31-2011, 08:42 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Software RAID in Windows is terrible... I would either spring for a RAID card, or install CentOS/Debian on the bare metal hardware to use Linux md-raid and then add a virtualization layer (KVM or Xen) with Windows within a virtual machine.
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