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  1. #1
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    Hostable is offering 3 year free unlimitted hosting, how it possible?

    Hi friends,

    I've just registered 3 year unlimited hosting for $0.99 at hostable.com

    I paid by Paypal.

    The paypal invoice is to Brinkster, that means hostable belongs to a big company.

    I've chatted with them and they said after 3 year I can cancel my account without any problem, even no fee for cancelling.

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    After three year, may I cancel my account
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    yes that is no problem. there is no cancellation fees for this as well
    Visitor
    This mean it is not obligated to continue with the second billing
    Cameron
    correct
    What do you think about this offer? Is it reliable?
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    Do you really need to ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedFactor View Post
    Do you really need to ask?
    Yes I do my friend
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    Oh, please be sure to update us down the road on how this experience works out for you. This offer is full of red flags and I assume they have to be overselling by the masses. Otherwise there is no money to be made on that offer and I would guess they are losing money.
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    1&1 gave away 3 years of hosting + free domain many years ago... worked out very nicely for them! Not all of these offers are bad or suspect if you go into it with low expectations. :]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    1&1 gave away 3 years of hosting + free domain many years ago... worked out very nicely for them! Not all of these offers are bad or suspect if you go into it with low expectations. :]
    I was just thinking this myself. Yes, for many of us the experience would be equal to painting a barn with a toothpick but for new users, it will likely be just fine.

    I wouldn't host anything important though. I'm skeptical

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    If its a part of a bigger company, it might be a part of a marketing plan where they hope people will buy the solution and after the 3 years are up they will keep paying their subscription to avoid the hassle of moving their content. Some sites might even grow big during the 3 year period and require a larger hosting solution. But none the less, this seems to be a marketing plan that would require putting a lot of money into the hosting without the possibility to get them back within many many years. (if they get them back)

    I would also recommend that you keep everything backed up and avoid any important content on your site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekhu View Post
    Yes, for many of us the experience would be equal to painting a barn with a toothpick but for new users, it will likely be just fine.
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    They are a part of BRINKSTER.COM so I'm sure they are not out to scam people out of 99 cents, just building clientele. Just like how you started this thread, others will ask more questions and bring them free publicity.

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    Lol... not that I really care... but why is it advertised as "free" then they charge you $0.99?

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    1&1 gave away 3 years of hosting + free domain many years ago... worked out very nicely for them!
    Even so many years ago, 1and1 was a pretty well known host in Europe. That 3 years offer was their attempt to make a name for themselves in the US, after they had already built a data center there, if memory serves me right. Rather than have an empty data center, they put some of it to work for marketing purposes.

    Hostable appears to be a Brinkster brand, and Brinkster has been around for a while. Apparently they're trying to put Hostable on the map, and IMHO it's not a bad way of doing it at all, give that the alternative would be to pay thousands of affiliates $100 per sale or thereabouts.

    Lol... not that I really care... but why is it advertised as "free" then they charge you $0.99?
    They call it a "setup fee". It's really just a way to collect payment related data and do fraud checks to ensure they get true customers that can eventually pay for their hosting.

    EDIT: In fact, they say so on the site, on the order page:

    Why are you charging me 99ข?
    As a hosting company we have to verify your identity, in order to do that we charge a 99ข fee. The hosting package is free for 3 years.
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    Think of it like filling a SMALL fish tank with ALLOT of FISH until they start splashing out of the water...

    It's a good idea to start off with, but soon gets out of hand.

    Granted, its a free service and stuff like that isn't always a bad thing as said before BUT you must not have high expectations!
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    You're right Dan, of course. I saw it a few minutes after asking.

    I checked it out for fun so that I could come back here and trash it. Instead I signed up. I'm gonna play.

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    Either way, those who seek out the cheapest hosting are usually the ones who are quick to move to someone else once they need to pay for something.

    "Oh, so I need to upgrade my account now? Unbelievable! No thanks, i'll just find a new host."

    Not to mention the added cost of having to support (and support well, if this is a long term marketing plan) all these clients. Not to mention the sort of abuse this will attract, as most budget or 'too good to be true' offers do.

    Great deal, and I can see how its appealing from the customer stand point if they didn't know any better or was looking for their first web host. But it just seems that there would be less expensive ways of promoting the new brand as opposed to not earning any long term recurring payments for 3 years.
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    I see value in it for running some of my garbage domains... testing sites, etc.

    I think they're hoping you buy some of their many upgrades. Which aren't poorly priced either, mind you.

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    It has a 32MB memory limit though - I just found that *some* php GD scripts such as nextgen-gallery will not have enough memory to run properly.

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    Oh, sure, NOW You mention that!

    I'm out $0.99!!! WT #$(#$ am I going to do now!?!?!

    SON OF AFRIGGIN....

    Just kidding

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    That's a pretty amazing deal. The only thing is, I wouldn't expect much of a reply from support incase assistance is needed. Sounds like they're going to be pretty busy with over selling with clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***********-TannerG View Post
    That's a pretty amazing deal. The only thing is, I wouldn't expect much of a reply from support incase assistance is needed. Sounds like they're going to be pretty busy with over selling with clients.
    I tested that out within the first 5m of buying the plan.

    Asked for a nameserver to be added (I wanted to use the Hurricane Electric nameservers instead, so I had to ask them to add the nameservers to the remote nameserver file so I could add my domains). Answered in 14m saying that ticket was forwarded to tech support.

    Its a little sketchy though. Even though they said they would forward it to tech support, the reply was at about 3pm EST, and its 9:20pm EST now, and they still haven't added the one line that would allow me to setup my domain.

    Tech support must be overwhelmed....

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    I'm having nameserver problems too. I've done everything on my end, but all online dns checking tools say the nameservers are "lame" (meaning the nameserver at the registrar is correctly pointing to the server, but the server isn't acknowledging that its in control of the domain). I too sent in a ticket several hours ago... nada.

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    Hi Mate,
    it's really amazing deal.Even i need to take.

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    Lol.. I can't believe I'm going to ask for my money back on $0.99... but...

    Their DNS is super-slow to get updated. 24 hours is sooo 1999 and that's supposed to reflect the amount of time it takes to propegate. But at Hostable, that's just the amount of time before they update the DNS on their own servers.

    But further is what I read on another forum, and confirmed by their chat CS rep... after the 3 years, you owe them for another 3 years at $7/mo. That is a "debt" that they will go after you for if you don't renew. If you want to cancel, that's fine... but you have to do it before expiration and not more than 60 days before according to the contract. THAT is why there is a $0.99 fee... because a contract is only valid if there is consideration (something given up) on both sides. You pay, you agree... simple as that. Try to cancel before the 60 days? According to the contract there is a $25 fee but it is unclear if that is $25 period, $25 per year, or $25 per early month (note: I didn't read this section of the contract - I'm not even sure where the contract is - but someone on the other forum supposedly read it. The CSR I talked to personally did confirm there is an early cancellation fee).

    But they also have a money back guarantee, so I'm getting out before it becomes more trouble than its worth.

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  23. Could just be enthusiastic advertising? Like Patrick (above) said - 1&1 tried it and it worked for them. We have a lot of host advertising with us at 99cents for a year and stuff like that, they could just be pushing the boat out.

    Its got us talking about them anyway!

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    Ok, I'm out $1.98. "setup fees are non-refundable, no exceptions". lol... it was a cheap lesson.

    Good luck the rest of you.

  25. Haha oh well, lesson learnt! Thanks for sharing, at least we'll all keep an eye out for them in the future now!

    Have you gone to another host now or are you still looking?

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    Oh bloody hell, don't get me started...

    I'm so frustrated. I was with the same host for almost 9 years (did I mention that?) and they up and died on me. I moved to a new host a week or so ago and have had nothing but problems since. I'm trying to find a good home. I think I want to try VPS but in the meantime I need to get my clients settled.

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    5.05 Hostable charges a non-refundable set up fee as well as its periodic service fee which in some cases may be refundable as further set forth elsewhere herein. Hostable charges an Annual Domain/DNS Maintenance Fee of $.17 per month per domain name, a Universal Internet Service (IPv6) Recovery Fee of $.07 per month per domain for Domain Only accounts and $.34 per month per domain for all other accounts, and a Wind Energy Surcharge of $.57 per month for all accounts except Domain Only accounts. Hostable may also charge you for Domain service fees and specifically reserves the right to institute additional charges upon notice to you. Hostable reserves the right to alter, change, amend or delete charges at its sole discretion. Hostable further reserves the right to institute new services and charge fees in association with the provision of such new services as it deems appropriate.



    Thank goodness I used a prepaid CC with $1 on it

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    Beware of this:
    Additionally, up to sixty days or two months prior to the initial term ending, customer acknowledges, agrees and authorizes Hostable to automatically bill and/or charge their credit card for successive terms of equal length as the initial term, unless terminated or cancelled by either party as provided in this section. After the Initial Term, this Agreement shall automatically renew at the current listed fee. A list of current fees are available on the Hostable website and the rest of the fees in this Agreement.
    The hosting services may be terminated by the following methods: (a) by Hostable giving the Customer thirty (30) days prior written or emailed notice,
    They reserve the right to charge you for 3 years service at the "current rate". For example, at $10 monthly, you could have a huge charge for $360 in a few years. Be very careful about hidden TOS BS. Their cancellation terms are a bit unreasonable, too.

    My bank gives out temporary credit card numbers, so I used that.

    And this is what came in email:
    Recurring Amount: $251.64 USD
    Billing Cycle: Triennially
    Next Due Date: 03/23/2014
    So $6.99/monthly = current rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quantumphysics View Post
    5.05 Hostable charges a non-refundable set up fee as well as its periodic service fee which in some cases may be refundable as further set forth elsewhere herein. Hostable charges an Annual Domain/DNS Maintenance Fee of $.17 per month per domain name, a Universal Internet Service (IPv6) Recovery Fee of $.07 per month per domain for Domain Only accounts and $.34 per month per domain for all other accounts, and a Wind Energy Surcharge of $.57 per month for all accounts except Domain Only accounts. Hostable may also charge you for Domain service fees and specifically reserves the right to institute additional charges upon notice to you. Hostable reserves the right to alter, change, amend or delete charges at its sole discretion. Hostable further reserves the right to institute new services and charge fees in association with the provision of such new services as it deems appropriate.



    Thank goodness I used a prepaid CC with $1 on it


    Does it mean they'll sum all those fees once you cancel?

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    I have no idea, but a DNS maintenance fee and a IPv6 Recovery Fee? Sounds as funny as an average AT&T mobile bill

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    I got lost in their TOS, too complicated that seems like "sign up with us and you're legally screwed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_mack View Post
    Their DNS is super-slow to get updated. 24 hours is sooo 1999 and that's supposed to reflect the amount of time it takes to propegate. But at Hostable, that's just the amount of time before they update the DNS on their own servers.
    Strange.

    My domain was propagated within 5 minutes.

    It was an unused test domain, pointed to long-gone nameservers.
    Not sure if that any impact on it.

    Not that 5 minutes is typical, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Sandro- View Post
    I got lost in their TOS, too complicated that seems like "sign up with us and you're legally screwed"
    I signed up earlier and didn't get a chance to read through all of this thread. I've yet to pay the invoice or attach any billing info. I'm going to open a support ticket and request cancellation. If they want to charge me some fees for cancelling 5 minutes after opening the account, I'm going to be angry.

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    When I cancelled... there was no issue regarding paying any extra fees (I was within 24 hours... not sure what their limit would be). They made quite a point of saying there wouldn't be any refund though. The *only* reason that concerns me in the slightest, is that I have no proof that anything was actually cancelled and for all I know the contract still applies. Whereas if they gave me the $0.99 back then there would be no consideration and, therefore, no contract. I don't really care about the piddly amount of money, but I was forced to lodge a dispute with PayPal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_mack View Post
    When I cancelled... there was no issue regarding paying any extra fees (I was within 24 hours... not sure what their limit would be). They made quite a point of saying there wouldn't be any refund though. The *only* reason that concerns me in the slightest, is that I have no proof that anything was actually cancelled and for all I know the contract still applies. Whereas if they gave me the $0.99 back then there would be no consideration and, therefore, no contract. I don't really care about the piddly amount of money, but I was forced to lodge a dispute with PayPal.
    Shouldn't saving a copy of the cancellation email (including any dkim signatures, pgp, whatever) be enough along with an external mail provider that can vouch that the message exists and was sent from their systems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_mack View Post
    When I cancelled... there was no issue regarding paying any extra fees (I was within 24 hours... not sure what their limit would be). They made quite a point of saying there wouldn't be any refund though. The *only* reason that concerns me in the slightest, is that I have no proof that anything was actually cancelled and for all I know the contract still applies. Whereas if they gave me the $0.99 back then there would be no consideration and, therefore, no contract. I don't really care about the piddly amount of money, but I was forced to lodge a dispute with PayPal.
    Well I just got word back that my account was closed. I checked in to the account to make sure. All products and services were marked terminated and my $0.99 invoice was cancelled. So, everything seems alright.

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    For $0.99 why not give it a try if your site is not critical, if uptime and reliability are important to you then generally you get what you pay for.

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    well... exactly for the reasons being discussed.

    btw. PayPal was quick to refund my money on my two disputes. Again, I know its just $0.99 and that's NOT the point. The point is that contract law stipulates that a contract is only valid if both sides give something up (call "consideration") so getting a refund upon cancellation is the finality one needs to be sure their evil TOS won't bite you in the ass in the future.

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    It's their marketing strategy and like all marketing strategies only time will tell whether it works or not. Meanwhile enjoy the freebies !
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    I'm sorry, but I don't count "trick people into fees that no reasonable person would expect you to know about" as a "marketing strategy".

    If it was purely that they were giving away 3 years as a ploy to gain attention and market share, that's fine. But read the fine print... I'm about as non-paranoid as it gets and even I find it a little sinister.

    And I'm not talking about the fact you have a 60 day window to cancel (too early, you get fees... too late, you're stuck for 3 more years). I'm talking about the fees mentioned previously that they tag on for this and that, and which apply to EVERY domain EVERY month that accrues.

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