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    * What is a reasonable price for 1G Level 3?

    I am intersted in level 3 1G and would like to get some expert opinion from the forum. I know level 3 is a top tier service provider and the price is above the others like HE or Cogent. Is $6 per meg be considered a good price or can it be lower? Would you take it for $6???

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    I know level 3 is a top tier service provider and the price is above the others like HE or Cogent. Is $6 per meg be considered a good price or can it be lower?!
    You do not provide enough information for people to work with. Relevant questions are:

    1. Is this 1 gigabit flatfee or 1 gigabit 95% burstable on multiple gigabit or 10 gigabit ?
    2. In what location and what facility do you want the circuit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftnoc View Post
    You do not provide enough information for people to work with. Relevant questions are:

    1. Is this 1 gigabit flatfee or 1 gigabit 95% burstable on multiple gigabit or 10 gigabit ?
    2. In what location and what facility do you want the circuit?
    Sorry, I am new.

    1. 1 gigabit flatfee on 1g port.
    2. In NYC.

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    Yes, $6 a Mbps on level 3 is worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    1. 1 gigabit flatfee on 1g port.
    2. In NYC.
    Its on the expensive side. Its not really $6 dollar per mbit 95% but $6000 for a gigabit dedicated flatfee. Find a good level(3) reseller as they very likely can get this cheaper for you. $3500 to $4500 would be an acceptable pricerange.
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    I am more confused now. Can anyone else confirm price of $3500 for a 1g commit???

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    I'd go through a reseller like Giglinx, I'm sure they could do sub $6, I never really understood why people buy flatrate pipes as you'll never be able to use 1Gbps 24/7(unless you want packet loss). Then again I'm not saying you necessarily need a 10GigE either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    I am more confused now. Can anyone else confirm price of $3500 for a 1g commit???
    That seems on the lower side, $4.50/Mbps seems more realistic on a gig commit but it all comes down to who you speak to. That's why I suggested above to talk to Marcus at giglinx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Wall View Post
    That seems on the lower side, $4.50/Mbps seems more realistic on a gig commit but it all comes down to who you speak to. That's why I suggested above to talk to Marcus at giglinx.
    Yep you really cant go wrong with Marcus, great to work with!

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    Thanks Jacob! I will try Marcus and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Wall View Post
    I never really understood why people buy flatrate pipes as you'll never be able to use 1Gbps 24/7(unless you want packet loss).
    It all comes down to pricing. Sure, if I can get say, $4 / meg 95th on a 10gig pipe with a 1 gig commit, why on earth would I pay $4k / mo flat for a 1gig pipe? Obviously that doesn't make any sense. But what about $4 / meg 95th with a 1 gig commit on a 10 gig pipe, vs $2k / mo flat for a 1 gig pipe? Now the flaterate pipe is a viable option as it will save you money at anything above 50% utilization.

    So it all comes down to what options you have on the table and your expected traffic pattern. Saying flat rate never makes sense is like saying 95th never makes sense. It all depends on the particulars of the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkywizard View Post
    It all comes down to pricing. Sure, if I can get say, $4 / meg 95th on a 10gig pipe with a 1 gig commit, why on earth would I pay $4k / mo flat for a 1gig pipe? Obviously that doesn't make any sense. But what about $4 / meg 95th with a 1 gig commit on a 10 gig pipe, vs $2k / mo flat for a 1 gig pipe? Now the flaterate pipe is a viable option as it will save you money at anything above 50% utilization.

    So it all comes down to what options you have on the table and your expected traffic pattern. Saying flat rate never makes sense is like saying 95th never makes sense. It all depends on the particulars of the deal.
    funkywizard,

    Thanks for your input. To elaborate, I think it is more than likely the usage will be over 1g like 1.5 or 2g if we used 10g pipe w/o cap so i don't think this is an option for me.

    My question to everyone is where is the price coming from? Is it from actual experience or just some wild guesses? I am strictly looking to commit 1g. That's it. I have been quoted much higher so far but the response here has been quite the opposite.

    I am really serious about this because every penny counts especially in this economy and again i appreciate all your input guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    funkywizard,

    Thanks for your input. To elaborate, I think it is more than likely the usage will be over 1g like 1.5 or 2g if we used 10g pipe w/o cap so i don't think this is an option for me.

    My question to everyone is where is the price coming from? Is it from actual experience or just some wild guesses? I am strictly looking to commit 1g. That's it. I have been quoted much higher so far but the response here has been quite the opposite.

    I am really serious about this because every penny counts especially in this economy and again i appreciate all your input guys!
    If the b/w demand on your connection is going to be 1.5-2gbit, then a 1g flat pipe is going to be horrific. You'll see a huge amount of packet loss and congestion to the point that the sites hosted on the line will be unusable.

    If you're looking to save money, why not use a different carrier? You can get 2-3g of HE.net cheaper than 1g of L3, and I'd take an uncongested HE line over a congested L3 line any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkywizard View Post
    If the b/w demand on your connection is going to be 1.5-2gbit, then a 1g flat pipe is going to be horrific.
    Honestly, I don't know if that is the case but usually, we max out most of the day so I was guessing that it maybe 1.5-2gbps

    You'll see a huge amount of packet loss and congestion to the point that the sites hosted on the line will be unusable.
    If you're looking to save money, why not use a different carrier? You can get 2-3g of HE.net cheaper than 1g of L3, and I'd take an uncongested HE line over a congested L3 line any day.
    Actually, I have used HE and Cogent before and I must say I was not so satisfied maybe due to them overselling. I have not heard a complaint about level 3 other than their steep pricing.

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    If you're maxing out a 1g line most of the day, then you're going to see some real congestion related performance issues, no way around that.
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    Are you looking to commit 1G because you will be using the full pipe 24/7? If that is the case you should look into a bigger pipe.

    You need to account for spikes in your traffic. Generally speaking your average should be no more than around 50-60% of the total available to keep things comfortable and be able to sleep at night.

    That being said. If you want to commit 1G of bandwidth you should be using at least 2 gige links or a 10ge link. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thezombiehunter View Post
    Yes, $6 a Mbps on level 3 is worth it.
    We don't have a full 1G commit but were at $7 and around 400Mbit commit with them so I'd say 5-6 is on the money.


    Their network is killer good and not overcommitment so yeah I'd say its worth every dime.

    Ask for 1G pricing on a 10G burstable...
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    Thanks guys for the great information. I guess $6 for 1G is not a bad price after all. Now my dilema I am not sure if I can afford to double my payment. I am sure there will be more leverage by commiting 2G but do you guys think it is enough to make a huge difference in price like say $5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudstr View Post
    Thats not going to happen really, most of the tier1 networks require a 2G commit on a 10G pipe. 20% is a pretty standard.
    I was able to get a quote for dual 10Gs from TiNet and Global Crossing with a combined 2G commit. My sales guy was Erik with Mosaic Networx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkywizard View Post
    It all comes down to pricing. Sure, if I can get say, $4 / meg 95th on a 10gig pipe with a 1 gig commit, why on earth would I pay $4k / mo flat for a 1gig pipe? Obviously that doesn't make any sense. But what about $4 / meg 95th with a 1 gig commit on a 10 gig pipe, vs $2k / mo flat for a 1 gig pipe? Now the flaterate pipe is a viable option as it will save you money at anything above 50% utilization.

    So it all comes down to what options you have on the table and your expected traffic pattern. Saying flat rate never makes sense is like saying 95th never makes sense. It all depends on the particulars of the deal.
    because you may not have 10G hardware, you may not want to pay the port-fee / setup that is going to come with the 10G circuit and you may not want the "risk" of a burstable 10G circuit. There are tons of reasons why you wouldn't want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    Thanks guys for the great information. I guess $6 for 1G is not a bad price after all. Now my dilema I am not sure if I can afford to double my payment. I am sure there will be more leverage by commiting 2G but do you guys think it is enough to make a huge difference in price like say $5?
    I'd shoot for $4 on 1GB and $3.50 on 2Gb over 10GE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colosolutions View Post
    Thanks guys for the great information. I guess $6 for 1G is not a bad price after all.?
    Like i told you before 1 gigabit flatfee in New York will run between $3500 and $4500 per month. So $6 per mbit is higher then you usually would pay.
    Several gigabit, lets say for example 3 gigabit 95% on 10 gigabit will be somewhere between $8000 and $10 000 per month.
    With Level(3) you can count on a one time port setup fee as well - but thats not really an issue i guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Suds View Post
    I'd shoot for $4 on 1GB and $3.50 on 2Gb over 10GE.
    Thats about right indeed.
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