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    Did you actually get 150TB?

    I'm with Wizzsolutions, and have their 150TB server. I went for the "middle" server, the Intel i3.

    I'm running an application that uses about 15% CPU. RAM has been not more than 70% used.

    The most bandwidth I have ever seen is 60Mbps.

    Users report highly variable bandwidth. Many users are unhappy with random slowdowns. There is no reason each user can't get the full bandwidth, but frequently, they are finding limits on what they can get.

    60Mbps is equivalent to 19TB a month. That's a lot, but not as much as 150TB a month. And that's my peak bandwidth. Usually I'm getting around 30Mbps.

    So I have to wonder whether the Wizzsolutions 150TB server is really on an oversold network...how would I ever know?

    Are other users getting more speed? Is it worth setting up a server at 100TB.com to see if the speeds are any better?

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    You are on a shared 1Gbit port most likely. 1Gbit unmetered would cost a lot more than that if you had it all to yourself.
    Have you enquired with them, to see if the 2gbit unmetered network is less congested?
    Expect to pay a lot more for quality 1Gbit unmetered, dedicated port.

    Additionally, here is the piece applicable to you from http://www.wizzsolutions.com/terms-of-service/

    23. Bandwidth:
    The bandwidth allocation that comes with your server (100mbps or 1GBPS) is completely usable and you can burst to the full port size. Your monthly usage must not be over 35% of this allocated rate (35 mbps or 350mbps) or your account will be subject for review.
    Nothing in life is completely free.. or unmetered

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    I've got a server with them as well. Looking at my graphs, I do see some major dips in transfer rate, but that could be the fault of our proxy application as we've had issues like that before even without any network problems happening. I can say that we can easily enough use 300 megabit full duplex, as we often do with that server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    You are on a shared 1Gbit port most likely. 1Gbit unmetered would cost a lot more than that if you had it all to yourself.
    Have you enquired with them, to see if the 2gbit unmetered network is less congested?
    Expect to pay a lot more for quality 1Gbit unmetered, dedicated port.

    Additionally, here is the piece applicable to you from http://www.wizzsolutions.com/terms-of-service/

    Nothing in life is completely free.. or unmetered

    Yes, it's like hosting in those "unlimited space and bandwidth" companies who ban your website when you have used 3GB of space because you violated "fair usage" policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    You are on a shared 1Gbit port most likely. 1Gbit unmetered would cost a lot more than that if you had it all to yourself.
    Have you enquired with them, to see if the 2gbit unmetered network is less congested?
    Expect to pay a lot more for quality 1Gbit unmetered, dedicated port.

    Additionally, here is the piece applicable to you from http://www.wizzsolutions.com/terms-of-service/



    Nothing in life is completely free.. or unmetered
    that seems to be their resold GNAX stuff, not the bluemile/150TB stuff

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    It was quite hard to find the TOS, as on the site I could only find the terms was behind the order page.. which I couldn't be bothered to fill out. I just used google to find that page, it doesn't state it is specifically for any network from what I read - appears to be a global get out clause.

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    I think you can contact their company representative and ask why.
    I assume they might tell you about some hidden limits
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    Traffic is not cheap and this is main price of server rental services. If you expect to get 150TB data for 250$... sorry... You're a victim of marketing
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuomenuCentras View Post
    Traffic is not cheap and this is main price of server rental services. If you expect to get 150TB data for 250$... sorry... You're a victim of marketing
    Wait, you mean to tell me they can't possibly make money at $250 if you are using 300+mbps? Lies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
    Wait, you mean to tell me they can't possibly make money at $250 if you are using 300+mbps? Lies!
    server hardware, place for server ( building and infrastructure ), employees ( managed servers ), electricity, merchant services... Well, it's about 70 - 80$/month per server.
    So we have free 170 - 180$.

    150 TB / 180 = 0.83$ per TB!!! WOW! 0.27$ per 1mbps. VERY NICE! Can you show me a wholesaler that can give such prices? I will buy few hundred Gbps!

    so, Who is a liar?
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    350 Mbps = 109.721463 terabytes per month

    So, the product is questionably marketed anyway, if the TOS is a true reflection.
    Because the TOS was so hard to find, I would have skipped them anyway. But would have never expected to be getting anywhere near what they were advertising in the first place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    350 Mbps = 109.721463 terabytes per month

    So, the product is questionably marketed anyway, if the TOS is a true reflection.

    350 Mbps = 2 x ~115 terabytes per month = 230MB/mo if the inbound traffic is metered.
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    350 Mbps = 2 x ~115 terabytes per month = 230MB/mo if the inbound traffic is metered
    Interesting way to calcluate data... best to ask the company what they mean when they say 150TB.. it doesn't say in and out or one or the other, whatever you are getting a lot of bw for not a lot of coin even at 30-60Mbps..

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    well that is always at the assumption most clients won't use 150TB bandwidth of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenG View Post
    Interesting way to calcluate data.....


    230TB/mo if the inbound traffic is metered
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    150 TB - about 500mbps( 50% average of 1gbps port ). If they said 35% average, they lying about 150TB. Simple.

    other way, they count both in/out trafic and 150 = 2 x 75TB
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
    that seems to be their resold GNAX stuff, not the bluemile/150TB stuff
    Ryan, I don't think these servers are on out network - have the OP post the IP to confirm.

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    Hello,

    Whoever unsure about the 150TB offers can read further here:
    http://bluemilecloud.com/2011/01/wizzsolutions-servers/

    Thank you.

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    I highly doubt you really get that amount, to get that you'd have to pay quite a bit extra

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    i have tried hostizzle vpn, and i'm only getting 200-500kbps on a trial account.

    i tried other vpn hosted on a vps and i was able to get 1-1.5mbps

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizzSupport View Post
    Hello,

    Whoever unsure about the 150TB offers can read further here:
    http://bluemilecloud.com/2011/01/wizzsolutions-servers/

    Thank you.
    Is it just me or does this post not actually answer the op just mention that they are selling 150tb plans from bluemile cloud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THAMAN View Post
    Ryan, I don't think these servers are on out network - have the OP post the IP to confirm.
    Its definitely at the bluemile place- we dont have i3 systems.
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    Strange.. I'd still check out 100tb, they are a solid company and are true to there plans. I was with them in the past and I liked them alot just got to pricy at the time and I had to pack up and move but I would recommend them to anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaronn View Post
    Strange.. I'd still check out 100tb, they are a solid company and are true to there plans. I was with them in the past and I liked them alot just got to pricy at the time and I had to pack up and move but I would recommend them to anyone!
    Oh, really? Had the SimpleCDN case showed you nothing - as 100TB is loosing money on any customer that actually uses near the 100 TB/month traffic, it will disconnect anyone who do.

    The "100TB" seems to be a simple marketing trick to me, and works the same way like the unlimited space/traffic shared hosting, which is quite simple.

    They simply know that most users after buying the "100TB/month" package will use less 100GB/month and in many cases even much much less.

    The worst thing is that you will never really know what is the actual usage limit after which your servers will be instantly disconnected and you will let go, hopefully with an off-site backup you performed, if you were smart enough in the first place.

    Surely that means that 100TB is not a good place to put your business critical servers in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sysadmsrv View Post
    Oh, really? Had the SimpleCDN case showed you nothing - as 100TB is loosing money on any customer that actually uses near the 100 TB/month traffic, it will disconnect anyone who do.

    The "100TB" seems to be a simple marketing trick to me, and works the same way like the unlimited space/traffic shared hosting, which is quite simple.

    They simply know that most users after buying the "100TB/month" package will use less 100GB/month and in many cases even much much less.
    First thing that popped into my head was this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sysadmsrv View Post
    Oh, really? Had the SimpleCDN case showed you nothing - as 100TB is loosing money on any customer that actually uses near the 100 TB/month traffic, it will disconnect anyone who do.

    The "100TB" seems to be a simple marketing trick to me, and works the same way like the unlimited space/traffic shared hosting, which is quite simple.

    They simply know that most users after buying the "100TB/month" package will use less 100GB/month and in many cases even much much less.

    The worst thing is that you will never really know what is the actual usage limit after which your servers will be instantly disconnected and you will let go, hopefully with an off-site backup you performed, if you were smart enough in the first place.

    Surely that means that 100TB is not a good place to put your business critical servers in.
    This came up on here recently and as per the last moderator - I've answered this point and the bandwidth point over and over again. I can't write it out all the time. Reference here, you can simply search. I've answered that you can use all your 100TB and I can answer that personally if you write to me as well - we have hundreds of clients doing it now (and lots doing more than 100TB and always will and hopefully some more (WHT members here do way over 100TB too). If you have any questions - you can reach out to me and I'll be most certaintely ready to answer and help you with anything 100TB related.

    I'm not sure this was what the OP wanted to know though so without going off topic OP I have never used the company you are writing in this thread about.

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    anything more than 2tb is still a miracle for me,

    but this 100tb or even 150tb ?!
    it would be just a dream for me,
    and will not be come real true even untill next 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
    Wait, you mean to tell me they can't possibly make money at $250 if you are using 300+mbps? Lies!
    Lies? So how exactly you are supposed to get the profit with the client who pays $250/month for a server and 300 Mbit connection and actually uses all that BW?

    Please tell, because I'm REALLY interested to hear your professional opinion, of somebody who actually runs a Colo.

    According to my math if the client actually uses the 300 Mbit, then this BW alone costs 300$/month ($1/Mbit at 10 Gbit commit levels). That's before the Colocation space to put the servers in, routing and switching equipment, electricity to power it all etc. and etc.

    And I guess you have to pay your staff as well, because even if they like you so much that they will stay to work for you for free they may simply starve to death...

    At what price per Mbit you are selling the BW at say 10 Gbit level?

    BTW as we are talking about traffic here than to deliver OUT 150 TB/month you need at very least ~0.5 Gbit/sec link, but in reality it may be even more, as the traffic pattern rarely resemble a horizontal line, and normally goes up during peek hours and down during the night. So in reality you need to buy even more BW to deliver all this traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craig joe View Post
    anything more than 2tb is still a miracle for me,

    but this 100tb or even 150tb ?!
    it would be just a dream for me,
    and will not be come real true even untill next 20 years.
    Well maybe not 20 years, but still it will take a few years for the technology to advance enough so the bandwidth price could go down enough, to sell 1 Mbit/sec connection for 0.25-0.30 cents, to make this all possible.

    Right now at $1 per Mbps levels it's just doesn't seem possible to run a profitable business, unless of course almost all clients never use for what they paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor View Post
    Its definitely at the bluemile place- we dont have i3 systems.
    Yes, I know the servers are bluemile, I was saying that TOS quote looked to be from your TOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sysadmsrv View Post
    Lies? So how exactly you are supposed to get the profit with the client who pays $250/month for a server and 300 Mbit connection and actually uses all that BW?

    Please tell, because I'm REALLY interested to hear your professional opinion, of somebody who actually runs a Colo.

    According to my math if the client actually uses the 300 Mbit, then this BW alone costs 300$/month ($1/Mbit at 10 Gbit commit levels). That's before the Colocation space to put the servers in, routing and switching equipment, electricity to power it all etc. and etc.

    And I guess you have to pay your staff as well, because even if they like you so much that they will stay to work for you for free they may simply starve to death...

    At what price per Mbit you are selling the BW at say 10 Gbit level?

    BTW as we are talking about traffic here than to deliver OUT 150 TB/month you need at very least ~0.5 Gbit/sec link, but in reality it may be even more, as the traffic pattern rarely resemble a horizontal line, and normally goes up during peek hours and down during the night. So in reality you need to buy even more BW to deliver all this traffic.
    I think you missed the obvious sarcasm in my post. Obviously they *CANNOT* make money if anyone uses even close to the 150TB. That said over-selling and averaging the usage across say a 1,000 server client base they may be able to make *some* money. But assume all servers do use the 150TB, you can be assured they would be massively under water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanD View Post
    I think you missed the obvious sarcasm in my post. Obviously they *CANNOT* make money if anyone uses even close to the 150TB. That said over-selling and averaging the usage across say a 1,000 server client base they may be able to make *some* money. But assume all servers do use the 150TB, you can be assured they would be massively under water.
    Or they will simply disconnect the "abUSERS" - the customers who will actually use even near what they were promised to receive by the company in the first place.

    Seems to work fine for 100TB.com/UK2 group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sysadmsrv View Post
    Or they will simply disconnect the "abUSERS" - the customers who will actually use even near what they were promised to receive by the company in the first place.

    Seems to work fine for 100TB.com/UK2 group.
    yep the can definitely provide 100Tb bandwidth though they really don't make money if everyone uses 100TB bandwidth
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickWeb-Roel View Post
    yep the can definitely provide 100Tb bandwidth though they really don't make money if everyone uses 100TB bandwidth
    That's the point, they DON'T seem to provide. They only seem to promise to provide. There is a huge difference.

    Once you use what they promised you can use (or in reality above some randomly chosen limit they set for themselves), you simply thrown out, for whatever reason.

    I see this as a false advertising, just as any "unlimited" shared hosting. There simply no way they can provide this - so why falsely say that they can?

    Just so they can get customers who falsely think that they bought a server with traffic at price of $2 per TB, when in reality as most will use fraction of that i.e. 100GB the price per TB is actually $2000. But once that customer will go over the limit, i.e. 30, 40 or 50TB putting the price at say $4 per TB, he will no longer be welcome to stay there and will be kicked out.

    SimpleCDN is just an obvious example, since it was such a big customer that itself provided services to others, but I think that there were a lot of smaller ones of whom we may never hear or know, but who also got into the same situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sysadmsrv View Post
    That's the point, they DON'T seem to provide. They only seem to promise to provide. There is a huge difference.

    Once you use what they promised you can use (or in reality above some randomly chosen limit they set for themselves), you simply thrown out, for whatever reason.

    I see this as a false advertising, just as any "unlimited" shared hosting. There simply no way they can provide this - so why falsely say that they can?

    Just so they can get customers who falsely think that they bought a server with traffic at price of $2 per TB, when in reality as most will use fraction of that i.e. 100GB the price per TB is actually $2000. But once that customer will go over the limit, i.e. 30, 40 or 50TB putting the price at say $4 per TB, he will no longer be welcome to stay there and will be kicked out.

    SimpleCDN is just an obvious example, since it was such a big customer that itself provided services to others, but I think that there were a lot of smaller ones of whom we may never hear or know, but who also got into the same situation.
    There are many users at 100tb.com actually really uses the bandwidth and the company shoulders all overages from Softlayer based on contract.

    SimpleCDN is a different story they should've get individual written contract from 100tb.com instead of getting heaps of boxes under standard plan/pricing i guess... just my opinion.
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    I also presume that 100tb.com realizes that only a portion of their user base will get anywhere near 100TB, let alone 10TB. So they make a profit overall, even if they lose on some customers.

    I mean, is there anyone here who has ever complained because they were suspended and/or terminated prior to reaching the bandwidth limit? If so, can it be confirmed?

    If not, is there any reason not to take 100tb.com seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Marvel View Post
    I also presume that 100tb.com realizes that only a portion of their user base will get anywhere near 100TB, let alone 10TB. So they make a profit overall, even if they lose on some customers.

    I mean, is there anyone here who has ever complained because they were suspended and/or terminated prior to reaching the bandwidth limit? If so, can it be confirmed?

    If not, is there any reason not to take 100tb.com seriously?
    Agreed; in the first place, I wouldn't really trust virtually the only hosting company offering 100-150tb to EVERY account. It's clearly an advertising ploy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Marvel View Post
    I also presume that 100tb.com realizes that only a portion of their user base will get anywhere near 100TB, let alone 10TB. So they make a profit overall, even if they lose on some customers.

    I mean, is there anyone here who has ever complained because they were suspended and/or terminated prior to reaching the bandwidth limit? If so, can it be confirmed?

    If not, is there any reason not to take 100tb.com seriously?
    Considering that in SimpleCDN case 100tb/UK2 never said that (as many of us believe) the real reason of disconnection is "they dared to actually used a lot of traffic", but instead thrown anything from inconsistent bandwidth use, DDoS attacks, DMCA violations etc. I doubt that they will say it right out in any case. Actually doing so defeats their marketing tactics.

    It's enough to say that SimpleCDN deny any of the allegations as far as DMCA handling goes (they actually claim that they had a positive feedback on how they handle these DMCA complaints) and if you are to provide any service to a 3rd party then getting complaints is inevitable, IMHO there is no real reason to DDoS some random CDN servers, and guess what - no site will produce a horizontal line on the bandwidth usage graph. Even when averaged on the DC level, there is still an easily seen pattern of bandwidth usage that goes up and down.

    100tb/UK2 could use a SPAM excuse here as well.

    What I'm trying to tell is really that even on an unlimited shared hosting no one is get kicked for using too much of the unlimited traffic or of the unlimited space. The excuse used is absolutely different from the real reason, and really not so difficult to come by i.e. excessive usage of the resources, excessive usage of the bandwidth, all kind of stupid TOS/AUP that really meant to prevent the customer from actually using the service etc.

    From what I understand the Content Distribution/Delivery may as well apply to any case where a third party's content is delivered of your's servers, which is a case i.e. with customer who provides VPS or shared hosting services to ot
    hers, as there is really no difference.

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    When you search for a new host (if you do) check if the bandwidth is "dedicated" or "guaranteed". 60mbit peaks are way too low for a 150TB offering.
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    Since simplecdn and can you really use 100/150TB have come up.... Correct me if I'm wrong but both wizzolutions and 100tb are resellers for their U.S. Servers. Also both have month to month contracts(they can terminate you at any time, change their AUP/TOS so the service you provide is a violation, or the company they resell can change their terms). You really need to decide for yourself if their solutions fit your business needs. If you run your business like simplecdn your in for trouble... all eggs in one basket... no backup providers... unrealistic pricing...



    Back to being on topic... has anyone used the full 150TBs of bandwidth on their wizzsolutions servers?

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