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  1. #1
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    Question Looking for VPS from Italy: problem with ping and price

    Hello, I am searching a good VPS to host my sites, they are 1 vBulletin Community and 3 blog Wordpress.

    vBulletin: about 38.000 members, 5.000 unique visitors at day, 150.000 page views at month, database of 450 MB; I haven't many members online at same time, about 30-50 max.

    Wordpress: 2 blog, with about 100 unique visitors at day and 200/300 page views at day and 1 new Wordpress Blog, with few visits.

    I am thinking to find a good VPS, with almost 1 GB or 2 GB of RAM, and 1 ore 2 core guaranteed, as space, I haven't many files, so also 10/20 GB is good. (I have only 400/600 mb as files on server).

    The problem is this:
    In Italy there aren't many good Provider, they are few and there is lack of professionalism and service. Than, the prices in Italy for hosting are very expansive. So, I always used a USA hosting, they are the best. They are more professional, cheap and have a great support.
    Now, I want understand, how is important the ping and traceroute for you?

    Example:

    From my location, Italy, if I ping a great USA Provider, I have:

    Wiredtree - Average 120 ms
    ServInt - Average 130 ms

    If I ping a good Italian Provider...I have a ping average of 20/50 ms.

    According you, is this difference acceptable? Or not?

    I have an example as offert and price for you:

    Italy - VPS Managed Linux

    CPU: 1
    Space: 40 GB
    Memory RAM: 1 GB
    Flat 10 Mbits/sec
    IP: 1
    Cpanel/WHM
    Apache Web Server

    Price: 100 euro! (137$) at month!

    Hybrid Server WiredTree

    1 Xeon CPU Core
    2048MB Memory RAM
    100GB RAID-10 Disk Space
    3000GB Premium Transfer
    cPanel / WHM
    LiteSpeed Web Server

    Price: 110 at month! (79 euro)

    As you can understand, if difficult choose a Provider from Italy. What do you advice me?
    An Italy Provider, with low ping and traceroute...but with little assistence and expansive price or a USA Provider with great hardware, support and price, but with a major ping and traceroute?

    Advice me, plese

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doraj View Post
    Hello, I am searching a good VPS to host my sites, they are 1 vBulletin Community and 3 blog Wordpress.

    vBulletin: about 38.000 members, 5.000 unique visitors at day, 150.000 page views at month, database of 450 MB; I haven't many members online at same time, about 30-50 max.

    Wordpress: 2 blog, with about 100 unique visitors at day and 200/300 page views at day and 1 new Wordpress Blog, with few visits.

    I am thinking to find a good VPS, with almost 1 GB or 2 GB of RAM, and 1 ore 2 core guaranteed, as space, I haven't many files, so also 10/20 GB is good. (I have only 400/600 mb as files on server).

    The problem is this:
    In Italy there aren't many good Provider, they are few and there is lack of professionalism and service. Than, the prices in Italy for hosting are very expansive. So, I always used a USA hosting, they are the best. They are more professional, cheap and have a great support.
    Now, I want understand, how is important the ping and tracerout for you?

    Example:

    From my location, Italy, if I ping a great USA Provider, I have:

    Wiredtree - Average 120 ms
    ServInt - Average 130 ms

    If I ping a good Italian Provider...I have a ping average of 20/50 ms.

    According you, is this difference acceptable? Or not?

    I have an example as offert and price for you:

    Italy - VPS Managed Linux

    CPU: 1
    Space: 40 GB
    Memory RAM: 1 GB
    Flat 10 Mbits/sec
    IP: 1
    Cpanel/WHM

    Price: 100 euro! (137$) at month!

    Hybrid Server WiredTree

    1 Xeon CPU Core
    2048MB Memory RAM
    100GB RAID-10 Disk Space
    3000GB Premium Transfer
    cPanel / WHM
    LiteSpeed Web Server

    Price: 110 at month! (79 euro)

    As you can understand, if difficult choose a Provider from Italy. What do you advice me?
    An Italy Provider, with low ping and tracerout...but with little assistence and expansive price or a USA Provider with great support and price, but with a major ping and tracerout?

    Advice me, plese

    Thank you
    Ok the first question here would be, where are the majority of your forum members from? Are they from Italy or all around the world? If they are from Italy then you could stay with your current host, but if they are from different parts of the world then it would probably be best to move to a US or maybe even UK provider. Personally with todays internet connections, they will not notice a difference when connecting to your website.

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    Well Italy is not the best country to host sites, the hosting market is nowhere close to USA, Germany or UK.

    I've been hearing good things about netsons.org, have you checked their VPSes offers?

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    Hello, the majority of my readers are Italian.

    Yes, I know Netsons, but also they are expansive, a good VPS cost about 100/200 euro (240$ about) at month with managed support. As you can understand, it's a crazy price for a good VPS with a 1GB or 1.5 GB of RAM. I can buy a better VPS on WiredTree, ServInt or other Provider, at a best price!

    Thank you for your reply

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    What is ping response time you get from your preferred news site.
    If you use an EU VPS, ping should be less than 30 ms which is significantly better than US VPS.
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    Hello Premium Host, so do you think that a average of 100/120 ms as ping, is a value unacceptable for a good vps?

    From Italy:

    WiredTree - 110/130 ms
    ServInt - 110/120 ms

    Italian Provider

    About 20/40 ms
    Last edited by Doraj; 03-14-2011 at 07:46 PM.

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    For just browsing a forum, I think the US pings would be fine.

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    Maybe you could try a dedicated server from www.seflow.it? Only Italian provider I can think of.

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    I think that any east coast provider will be ok. 100ms is more than ok! Have you thought about European hosting? Many offer locations in Germany and UK.

    Or check Hetzner.de out, it has very nice prices!

    They'll give you around 40-70ms pings
    It would be useful if you could tell us a budget you have in mind
    Last edited by -Sandro-; 03-14-2011 at 09:45 PM.

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    Hi all,

    my budget is around 50/100 $ at month, but if I must pay 100$, so, I want also a nice VPS with almost 2GB RAM and a others good specs.
    The problem is this, to understand if choose:

    • a good Provider, with nice specs hardware and VPS, with a ping around 100/120 ms, but away from me (ex. WiredTree, ServInt, I read many great feedback positive on WHT)
    • a normal Provider (italian), with a VPS less power that the other, but with location in Italy, and with ping e traceroute better

    I am trying to understand how this difference of results may affect on the speed and performance of a site.

    Example


    A difference of 70-90 ms as ping between two Provider, creates a difference that is noted in the speed of a site?

    I don't know, is possible say...50 ms equal 1 or 1/2 second of time? Or..how?

    Thanks for all
    Last edited by Doraj; 03-15-2011 at 12:18 AM.

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    How about flarevm, I believe they dc is in Italy (KPNQwest), I don't know if they are good or not though.

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    I'd recommend Private Layer (Switzerland). I have a dedicated server there since two - three months now and it's been a very good experience. I have some users in Malta and their latency is usually around (mostly under) 50 ms so it should be even better from Italy since all internet traffic in Malta goes via Italy.

    Their Swiss VPS start at $59 but hits $109 if you need management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by procrastinator View Post
    How about flarevm, I believe they dc is in Italy (KPNQwest), I don't know if they are good or not though.
    FlareVM is good. They have a server in Milan.

    A better option is a dedicated server in UK. I suggest you UK2 or RapidSwitch data centers (~30ms).
    You will only find out how good a provider is when the going gets tough

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    Again, I think you should go with European locations, it's the best way before US locations. Italian providers have prices too much high(due to bandwidth costs)

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    Have you tried ovh.it?

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    Have you tried ovh.it?
    I think ovh has all their servers in france.

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    Hi all and than you for your reply.

    I am seeing the price and specs on Future Hosting, they seems a good company, with support and hardware. They have also a datacenter at London, and the ping and test speed file...give good results.

    Ping: 30/40 ms average
    Test File: 700 kb/s average

    Howeaver, I am seeing also other Provider and I noted a strange thing. The Hosting KnowHost seems have a nice connections with Italy, if I try to ping it I have great results.

    Just-Ping: 25/30ms average

    How is possible this? KnowHost is in the USA?

    I had tried several Provider, as LW, WT, ServInt, etc, but all give me an average ping of 110/140ms.
    Has KnowHost the best network and connection respect at other Provider with the Italy? Is possible?

    Thanks

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    It is not possible to have 30ms from Italy to USA due to distance and speed of light limitations. Which IP did you ping for KnownHost?

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    Try knownhost.com
    KnowHost.com is just some random parked domain.

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    Oh you have right!

    Sorry, I missed a "n"

    Thanks

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    I just tested knownhost, it is is higher from Milan.

    Texas DC
    traceroute to 67.222.0.5 (67.222.0.5), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
    1 (192.168.1.1) 0.861 ms 0.348 ms 0.488 ms
    2 static-213-205-24-49.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.24.49) 18.988 ms 19.117 ms 19.963 ms
    3 static-213-205-29-129.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.29.129) 54.467 ms 42.813 ms 20.478 ms
    4 static-213-205-58-182.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.58.182) 19.977 ms 50.843 ms 47.426 ms
    5 94.32.128.153 (94.32.128.153) 71.434 ms 21.306 ms 19.970 ms
    6 ae3-300.mil20.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.94.81) 35.713 ms 20.585 ms 76.462 ms
    7 xe-7-2-0.fra21.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.186.178) 30.427 ms
    xe-0-1-0.fra21.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.187.237) 79.025 ms
    xe-7-2-0.fra21.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.186.178) 31.302 ms
    8 as6461.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.73.34) 30.485 ms 32.008 ms 30.717 ms
    9 xe-1-1-0.mpr1.cdg12.fr.above.net (64.125.24.6) 39.005 ms 40.542 ms 65.184 ms
    10 xe-4-0-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.31.249) 70.939 ms 50.526 ms 51.433 ms
    11 xe-4-3-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.24.41) 131.150 ms 154.699 ms 144.138 ms
    12 xe-0-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.28.50) 168.127 ms 175.695 ms 158.695 ms
    13 xe-2-3-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.31.121) 160.376 ms 203.730 ms 193.340 ms
    14 xe-1-1-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.26.214) 158.925 ms 244.429 ms 211.610 ms
    15 64.124.196.226.t00876-01.above.net (64.124.196.226) 184.110 ms 164.229 ms 161.372 ms
    16 206.123.64.38 (206.123.64.38) 162.371 ms 157.278 ms 165.140 ms
    17 vz01-tx.privatesystems.net (67.222.0.101) 157.133 ms 158.224 ms 186.102 ms
    18 ns1.privatesystems.net (67.222.0.5) 161.186 ms 163.479 ms 160.624 ms


    PING 67.222.0.5 (67.222.0.5): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=157.107 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=154.192 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=156.050 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=185.656 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=162.286 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=5 ttl=51 time=156.385 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=6 ttl=51 time=207.471 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=7 ttl=51 time=154.111 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=8 ttl=51 time=181.714 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.0.5: icmp_seq=9 ttl=51 time=155.344 ms

    --- 67.222.0.5 ping statistics ---
    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 154.111/167.032/207.471/17.381 ms





    California DC
    traceroute to 67.222.15.99 (67.222.15.99), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
    1 (192.168.1.1) 0.780 ms 0.510 ms 0.498 ms
    2 static-213-205-24-49.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.24.49) 17.742 ms 35.052 ms 79.431 ms
    3 static-213-205-29-129.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.29.129) 20.226 ms 36.356 ms 20.222 ms
    4 static-213-205-58-177.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.58.177) 53.952 ms 36.804 ms 20.222 ms
    5 94.32.128.145 (94.32.128.145) 57.692 ms 21.080 ms 19.967 ms
    6 ae2-300.mil20.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.94.37) 22.236 ms 19.825 ms 33.943 ms
    7 xe-4-2-0.lax20.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.184.153) 190.351 ms
    xe-9-3-0.lax20.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.182.17) 211.675 ms 194.688 ms
    8 net2ez-gw.ip.tisclai.net (213.200.73.214) 228.137 ms 190.456 ms 210.340 ms
    9 cr02-1-1.lax6.net2ez.com (72.172.64.42) 195.360 ms 209.180 ms 230.333 ms
    10 cr01-1-3.lax6.net2ez.com (72.172.64.17) 201.093 ms 191.173 ms 222.074 ms
    11 la-gw.privatesystems.net (72.172.66.10) 249.821 ms 241.419 ms 192.104 ms
    12 vz10-la.privatesystems.net (67.222.15.110) 209.849 ms 218.913 ms 193.362 ms
    13 test-la.privatesystems.net (67.222.15.99) 241.317 ms 190.631 ms 204.163 ms


    PING 67.222.15.99 (67.222.15.99): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=190.550 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=194.594 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=191.153 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=212.452 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=199.269 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=206.346 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=233.901 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=190.477 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=204.048 ms
    64 bytes from 67.222.15.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=53 time=190.867 ms

    --- 67.222.15.99 ping statistics ---
    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 190.477/201.366/233.901/13.091 ms



    Ciao, sono alla ricerca anche io, con un budget un po' più basso però

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    Thanks for the test, howeaver the average of ping is more high. I will continue my search...

    (Ciao, è un vero peccato la questione della latenza, ping e tracert con i Provider USA, sono un altro livello). Comunque per l'Europa, sembra che i migliori siano Future Hosting, EuroVPS e Leaseweb.

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doraj View Post
    Future Hosting, EuroVPS e Leaseweb.
    Are they Managed?

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    EuroVPS are managed, Leaseweb might have an extra fee for management. Not sure about Future Hosting.

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    Futurehosting has managed plans.
    What I don't like: 20% cpu max usage
    backup is a service not included (but I'm asking to be sure)

    Here test from Milan to London servers:
    PING 78.129.179.229 (78.129.179.229): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=55.874 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=56.912 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.998 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=57.590 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=58.171 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=59.004 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=6 ttl=53 time=55.596 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=7 ttl=53 time=56.436 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=8 ttl=53 time=56.531 ms
    64 bytes from 78.129.179.229: icmp_seq=9 ttl=53 time=57.608 ms

    --- 78.129.179.229 ping statistics ---
    10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
    round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 55.596/57.072/59.004/0.992 ms


    traceroute to 78.129.179.229 (78.129.179.229), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
    1 (192.168.1.1) 0.801 ms 0.375 ms 0.493 ms
    2 static-213-205-24-49.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.24.49) 19.499 ms 18.385 ms 20.270 ms
    3 static-213-205-29-129.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.29.129) 18.218 ms 18.804 ms 19.971 ms
    4 static-213-205-58-177.clienti.tiscali.it (213.205.58.177) 20.721 ms 19.854 ms 20.519 ms
    5 94.32.128.145 (94.32.128.145) 20.428 ms 19.126 ms 19.723 ms
    6 ae2-300.mil20.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.94.37) 22.720 ms 22.624 ms 23.474 ms
    7 xe-1-1-0.lon25.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.186.81) 51.951 ms
    xe-2-3-0.lon25.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.186.49) 52.322 ms
    xe-7-1-0.lon25.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.185.193) 44.806 ms
    8 iomart-hosting-gw.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.74.226) 50.076 ms 51.830 ms 44.211 ms
    9 62-233-127-182.as20860.net (62.233.127.182) 46.952 ms 89.322 ms 46.957 ms
    10 78.129.176.30 (78.129.176.30) 47.954 ms 56.334 ms 51.948 ms
    11 london.futurehosting.com (78.129.179.229) 53.955 ms 57.120 ms 51.449 ms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doraj View Post
    Thanks for the test, howeaver the average of ping is more high. I will continue my search...
    Ping isn't a test of speed. You can have a ping of 100-150ms on good hardware, and it will load faster than a ping on 60ms on a server with average/poor hardware.

    Been there, done that, learned from this mistake.

    Ping != speed.
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    Check the speed of THIS site.....it's with FutureHosting in the UK!

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    About Future Hosting I'm not satisfied about automated backup :
    “Well we do full node backups on our side in the event of total node failure, but they cannot be used to restore an individual VPS.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant Italy View Post
    About Future Hosting I'm not satisfied about automated backup :
    “Well we do full node backups on our side in the event of total node failure, but they cannot be used to restore an individual VPS.”
    Ant....you should have your own backups as well! You never just leave it to the provider!

    There's plenty of horror stories here from people who did!

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    I just tried a few pings and tracerts from Milan to various places in Europe, and it seems most of the traffic from Italy goes through Frankfurt (and some through Paris) to get to other European cities.

    Based on that it looks like Frankfurt itself would be a good choice. Some example pings from Milan:

    Frankfurt Netdirekt): 11ms
    Falkenstein (Hetzner): 31ms
    Paris (Gandi): 20ms
    Roubaix (OVH): 17ms
    Amsterdam (Leaseweb): 31ms
    London (LiNode): 23ms

    Based on those you could get a good VPS or reasonable server from Netdirekt and pay separately for any management you need, or look for a managed provider with servers at OVH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTremo View Post
    Ant....you should have your own backups as well! You never just leave it to the provider!

    There's plenty of horror stories here from people who did!
    Yes, of course, but I prefer to have a daily backup and other as default features like eurovps:

    Guaranteed Daily Backups
    (Included Free) Yes Yes Yes Yes
    HP StorageWorks DLT tape Backup
    Retention Period 30 Days 30 Days 90 Days 365 Days
    Priority Backup Schedule taken in in increments of 24 Hours 24 Hours 12 Hours 12 Hours
    Redundant Offsite Backup Yes Yes Yes Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTremo View Post
    Check the speed of THIS site.....it's with FutureHosting in the UK!
    Hello, thank you for your feedback. Uhm..I am seeing Future Hosting, it seems a really good chooice, feedback and price. I like very much the Hbryd Server...1 or 2 type.
    I have 4 sites at moment, 1 vB + 3 WP blog, and I need a good VPS, I want my sites very fast for italian users, before to pass in the future on Dedicated Server.

    Howeaver, your site is very very fast...it's incredible, congratulations. What type of hosting do you have on FH?

    Thanks

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