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    DELL server with this specs, how much could I get best?

    We are looking for getting a dell servr with this specs

    note that we know how to go to dell.com to configure it, but also know dell's price might vary from different sals person/manager we contact? and special method or way to get discounts? or any suggestions? such as we do not buy drives from dell.com, but go to newegg instead?


    Dual Intel E5620
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    Dell discounts vary based on how much you purchase from them and the time of year. If you catch them at the end of a financial quarter you are likely to get the best discounts. Expect 10-20% off list price on a single server purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter-SZ View Post
    We are looking for getting a dell servr with this specs

    note that we know how to go to dell.com to configure it, but also know dell's price might vary from different sals person/manager we contact? and special method or way to get discounts? or any suggestions? such as we do not buy drives from dell.com, but go to newegg instead?


    Dual Intel E5620
    16G DDR3 ECC RAM
    SAS 15K 300G x2 RAID1
    4 HD bays max
    1-2U

    thanks!
    Call Justin Bush here: http://www.vistacomputer.net

    I have a direct dell rep that can do 25-30% for my account, see what Justin can do and PM me if you need the rep.

    That config sounds like a good fit for an R410, you may consider the R610 depending on how many Vista has in stock they go get cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    probably cheaper to get it from supermicro
    Your joking right? Who wants a whitebox junker anyway.
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    Since its Supermicro, its not white box.
    Maybe you are used to building amateur kiddy boxes that just have the Supermicro case. I am talking about a full Supermicro server.

    Anyways, its plain to see that if you are being serious, you don't know what you are talking about (i cant tell if you are joking).
    There are many, many Supermicro users here and all of them use them for a reason.
    I'm not going to both replying to your next post, because I'm sure its just going to be trolling from someone who actually has absolutely no foot, hand, or skin in the server game and is an armchair expert at all things hosting.
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    supermicro is great to us I must say

    just client specifies DELL this time, so we need it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visbits View Post
    Call Justin Bush here: http://www.vistacomputer.net

    I have a direct dell rep that can do 25-30% for my account, see what Justin can do and PM me if you need the rep.

    That config sounds like a good fit for an R410, you may consider the R610 depending on how many Vista has in stock they go get cheaper.
    I see they sell "Dell Recertified" , what does that mean in reality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter-SZ View Post
    I see they sell "Dell Recertified" , what does that mean in reality?
    refurbished
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    do you guys really buy every part from DELL? such as 146G SAS 15K drive is only $150 ish at newegg.com, on DELL , it is more than $250~!
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    When I bought from dell I was able to get discounts by sending them quotes from other server builders like rackmountsetc. When I bought from my rep I believe it was a bit more than the quote I sent him, but if you need dell gear it may be a way to get the discount your looking for. I also never bought drives or extra ram from dell.

    Haven't bought from them in a couple years. Mostly use Supermicro servers now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter-SZ View Post
    do you guys really buy every part from DELL? such as 146G SAS 15K drive is only $150 ish at newegg.com, on DELL , it is more than $250~!
    If you want the warranty that is attached to it...
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    Dell's pricing goes up and down throughout the year, it's dam annoying trying to base product lines on it if your not getting all the servers in one go...

    Only real way to get a pricing discount on them is to buy in quantity, some servers you will get quite a substantial discount others not so much.

    Another way of doing it is buying just the chassis from them. I needed a few 32GB server's recently and it was a lot cheaper to get them from Dell with 1GB RAM in (they don't ship server's without RAM) and then get the full amount separately.

    Not too bothered about the warranty but stick the 1GB back in and who would ever know?
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    Find someone that can offer a good discount for you. Some hosting companies may be able to, if you colo in their datacenter(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanah-Sales View Post
    There is a reason probably 80% of the largest dedicated hosts around are using Supermicro (and its not just "cost"). Far far from white-box junkers. Truly hope this comment was a joke.

    Cough rackspace! COUGH THEPLANET COUGHHHHHHHHHH.....COUGH HOSTGATOR COUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....


    80%? The cheapass providers use it and they are a whitebox.

    Whitebox = assembled from untested as a unit parts.
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    Personally I think both Dell and Supermicro are fine brands. I've used both and still continue to do so and both have the same reliability. I don't see anything wrong with Supermicro, they're their own brand too. It is almost always cheaper to have a custom built supermicro server compared to a Dell server though, and both would often offer on par performance and reliability.
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    Dont forget the "enterprise DRAC" which costs a fortune, but "-F" Supermicro motherboards come the same features for approx $60 more than non "-F."

    Honestly, only go with Dell if you need the 4 hour on site service plan (which you have to pay for).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordonrp View Post
    Dont forget the "enterprise DRAC" which costs a fortune, but "-F" Supermicro motherboards come the same features for approx $60 more than non "-F."

    Honestly, only go with Dell if you need the 4 hour on site service plan (which you have to pay for).
    You can get the express for $25 and enterprise for $70 from Vista.

    Its $225 for enterprise through dell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordonrp View Post
    Honestly, only go with Dell if you need the 4 hour on site service plan (which you have to pay for).
    I must add, or a 4 yr + uptime
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    Quote Originally Posted by linuxissues View Post
    I must add, or a 4 yr + uptime
    :-) Agreed.
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    They only thing that turned me off (seriously) was when I asked them about their support

    ME: "my vendor sends me failed part replacement in next day air"

    Dell rep : Yes we do have a gold support package $2500/year someone will come in and change the part that has failed on the server in 4 hours, all you have to do is just pay for the part.

    LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visbits View Post
    Your joking right? Who wants a whitebox junker anyway.
    Is this a joke? Lord I hope so.
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    Supermicro systems are a name brand in servers and in my experience are just as reliable as Dell servers are.

    We have nearly 8,000 Supermicro servers and we've always been really happy with them. If you're shopping for a name brand server, it would behoove you to include Supermicro and HP hardware in your search as that will give you more choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danushman View Post
    Supermicro systems are a name brand in servers and in my experience are just as reliable as Dell servers are.

    We have nearly 8,000 Supermicro servers and we've always been really happy with them. If you're shopping for a name brand server, it would behoove you to include Supermicro and HP hardware in your search as that will give you more choice.

    Dan
    Except for the one that ate itself at x10 and took the DC like 4 hours to *figure out what went wrong* to just get him back online.

    Supermicro systems are a name brand in servers and in my experience are just as reliable as Dell servers are.
    Hardly, do supermicro servers have a central management system that lets you monitor every single piece of the physical hardware and alert you when a device fails? NO they don't your using whatever raid controller with whatever drives and whatever other componets. You don't have ability to monitor power consumption or temps and fans speeds for every device in the system from one location seamlessly.

    And the even bigger part of this picture, you can't go to supermicro and say I need this spec and have it show up, you have to go through a place that *builds white box servers* and sells them.

    HP,IBM,Dell,Lenovo all have a central management system that allows this, supermicro does not. Its a whitebox system however you put it, unless they sell every single part with their label on it and test it for 100% compatibility and make it interact at a central location its a box of assembled parts. AKA WHITEBOX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusai View Post
    They only thing that turned me off (seriously) was when I asked them about their support

    ME: "my vendor sends me failed part replacement in next day air"

    Dell rep : Yes we do have a gold support package $2500/year someone will come in and change the part that has failed on the server in 4 hours, all you have to do is just pay for the part.

    LMAO
    If you get the gold support package for 3 years (extra $300 or something) when you buy the product they will have a replacement part to you within 4 hours. We've had parts in 45 minutes before, they have a logistics center down the road from our primary DC.

    Who the hell needs onsite?? If you need onsite you shouldn't own your hardware.
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    All hardware manufacturers are susceptible to failure... It's not a matter of Supermicro vs. Dell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visbits View Post
    Except for the one that ate itself at x10 and took the DC like 4 hours to *figure out what went wrong* to just get him back online.

    Hardly, do supermicro servers have a central management system that lets you monitor every single piece of the physical hardware and alert you when a device fails? NO they don't your using whatever raid controller with whatever drives and whatever other componets. You don't have ability to monitor power consumption or temps and fans speeds for every device in the system from one location seamlessly.

    And the even bigger part of this picture, you can't go to supermicro and say I need this spec and have it show up, you have to go through a place that *builds white box servers* and sells them.

    HP,IBM,Dell,Lenovo all have a central management system that allows this, supermicro does not. Its a whitebox system however you put it, unless they sell every single part with their label on it and test it for 100% compatibility and make it interact at a central location its a box of assembled parts. AKA WHITEBOX.
    I don't even know where to begin, except to say you must live in a very small world to think these are absolute reasons to call Supermicro junk.
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    I think it is more than safe to say that there are a tremendous number of people who disagree with this generalization and I think its fine to leave it at that. A lot of good techs, good businessmen trust Supermicro and a lot of people also trust Dell, I guess in the end it chocks down to personal preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    probably cheaper to get it from supermicro
    I doubt that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter-SZ View Post
    do you guys really buy every part from DELL? such as 146G SAS 15K drive is only $150 ish at newegg.com, on DELL , it is more than $250~!
    Not only parts, but Dell is a great channel for many other products. I buy my Junipers from them. And Sony products too. And Seagate. I would not be able to match elsewhere the price I get from Dell, especially on Junipers!
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    If Dell could match Supermicros flexibility and prices, I would also buy Dell.

    But they cant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    If Dell could match Supermicros flexibility and prices, I would also buy Dell.

    But they cant.
    Sure they can, they have the scale for it. Also, look at the TCO, not just initial purchase price. Dell is a great deal, you just have to know how to get it. I don't have 8000 servers, 800 servers or even 80 servers, but I do get awesome prices from Dell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    If Dell could match Supermicros flexibility and prices, I would also buy Dell.

    But they cant.
    I'd like to see you get a supermicro that act as an OEM system for this price:

    http://hostthenpost.org/tyler/2011-03-15_2115.png

    Yes that's a real quote.


    Obviously these are not the perfect prices but newegg is good.

    http://hostthenpost.org/tyler/2011-03-15_2121.png

    I don't possibly see how you can compete with the dell pricing... What do you have to say now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Visbits View Post
    I'd like to see you get a supermicro that act as an OEM system for this price:

    http://hostthenpost.org/tyler/2011-03-15_2115.png

    Yes that's a real quote.


    Obviously these are not the perfect prices but newegg is good.

    http://hostthenpost.org/tyler/2011-03-15_2121.png

    I don't possibly see how you can compete with the dell pricing... What do you have to say now?


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    Hey, where did you get that DELL 's quote? we want to get same one
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMDM View Post
    Not only parts, but Dell is a great channel for many other products. I buy my Junipers from them. And Sony products too. And Seagate. I would not be able to match elsewhere the price I get from Dell, especially on Junipers!
    AMEN to that to! They have like 800,000 products from all vendors on their online store.

    We buy 100% of our APC and Intel products through them as well and because of the volume were buying things are cheaper than anywhere else.

    Were getting 32GB intel SLC drives for $300 now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter-SZ View Post
    Hey, where did you get that DELL 's quote? we want to get same one

    You can PM me.
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    The only place they get low prices is on super high end machines like that one and even then with distributor pricing you are only ~$200 more with SM.
    Plus who knows where that quote you posted came from -- I can get machines super cheap from the gray market too but then I can't standardize or rely on availability / prices.

    You are on WHT however, the machines most in use here are not super high end things like that one.
    Quote out an X3450, 8GB RAM, 500GB SATA with DRAC ENTERPRISE/IPMI and a rail kit and you will see the difference.

    Now try to quote out the same machine with 4 HDD bays -- with Supermicro you can have that, with Dell you are stuck with 2 HDD bays max.
    Try to get an X3450 with 8 bays, you can't with Dell.

    I can customize my machine any which way I want with Supermicro, giving me proper flexibility to fit customer requirements.

    Let me know when Dell can match my Supermicro prices and I'll send them some orders, but the last 3 times they have tried -- they haven't been able to.
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    Now try to quote out the same machine with 4 HDD bays -- with Supermicro you can have that, with Dell you are stuck with 2 HDD bays max.
    Try to get an X3450 with 8 bays, you can't with Dell.
    R310 is 4x 3.5"

    I would never want 8 bays and a 1156 socket motherboard.


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    Let me know when Dell can match my Supermicro prices and I'll send them some orders, but the last 3 times they have tried -- they haven't been able to.

    Give me a specification list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    I can customize my machine any which way I want with Supermicro, giving me proper flexibility to fit customer requirements.
    This is exactly why I use supermicro when I'm building new equipment...

    Also if you have the right connections you can get 65-70% off new supermicro hardware that have just been replaced by the latest and greatest... And I'm talking about true enterprise machines which barely any one offers on WHT.
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