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    http://readersupportednews.org/opini...-out-of-canada

    Canada's Radio Act requires that "a licenser may not broadcast ... any false or misleading news." The provision has kept Fox News and right-wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. [more]
    I dont blame canada @ all!!!!!!!

    FOX (and many other MSM networks) lie as much as they can to steer PUPPETS a certain way and its disgusting.......





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    That's all news broadcasts not just Fox . No news is unbias anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techy View Post
    That's all news broadcasts not just Fox . No news is unbias anymore.
    I guess it all depends on your perspective....
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    I support anyones right to free speech and think this is terrible.

    Every news channel is full of lies and misrepresentation on a daily basis, if they actually enforced these rules by the letter they would never have any TV!

    I don't watch TV much, or listen to the radio, so doesn't impact me even if it happened here, but it is a bad slope to suppressing free thought in any regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Stephen) View Post
    I support anyones right to free speech and think this is terrible.
    perpetrating lies under the guise of news is not a freedom. news, is news. its reporting of facts.

    Every news channel is full of lies and misrepresentation on a daily basis, if they actually enforced these rules by the letter they would never have any TV!
    there is NO other outfit on planet, that totally styles and advertises itself as news, and then when sued for defamation due to lies they have perpetrated, defends themselves as 'not news, but opinionated entertainment' in court to get away.

    and, they did get away.

    judge shouldnt have let them get away, taking into account the fact that they are totally portraying themselves as a news outlet, even having it in their logo and brand.

    so, its either faulty advertising/scamming, or, perpetrating lies.

    indeed fox news should be banned in usa too. or, at least, they should be mandated not to style themselves as news.

    ..........

    in short, they are a news channel that lies. lying is not a freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Stephen) View Post
    I support anyones right to free speech and think this is terrible.

    Every news channel is full of lies and misrepresentation on a daily basis, if they actually enforced these rules by the letter they would never have any TV!

    I don't watch TV much, or listen to the radio, so doesn't impact me even if it happened here, but it is a bad slope to suppressing free thought in any regard.
    I completely disagree. I'm a Canadian and have absolutely no problem with this.

    The real problem is when corporations "buy" the media and have them report false information.

    This virtually eliminates this issue and keeps the issues on TV limited to "Real" issues. I think this works really well.

    This is also a perfect example as to why non-mainstream news networks such as RT have grown so much over the last year. They're getting something like 300million views on their youtube channel vs. 30million CNN gets. I think it's a great thing that there are many perspectives of certain topics aired these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by media-hosts_com View Post
    I completely disagree. I'm a Canadian and have absolutely no problem with this.

    The real problem is when corporations "buy" the media and have them report false information.

    I guess you also have no problem with caps on internet usage, I guess no issue on a monopoly telecom system or cable system.

    last time i looked BELL Canada owns over a dozen news networks in Canada -- ..... BUT NOT FOX!
    Rogers Media and Shaw and VideoTron own dozens of media outlets ... BUT NOT FOX ..

    your right - the problem is when corporations "BUY" the media and in Canada BELL Canada, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw -- they don't buy the media - they own the internet access to it and the content that is on it --


    and not only news -- no foxsports, no ESPN, but TSN and sportsnet are ok -- what a joke -- really -- as Canadians we should be ashamed to let the CRTC dictate every facet of radio, TV and internet

    I AM CANADIAN AND SAY _ lets abolish the CRTC

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    there is NO relevance in between fox news being banned for lies, and cap/telecom monopoly/this that.

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    No there isnt......

    And broadcasting FAKE NEWS is not free speech,ITS DISHONESTY and it shouldnt be allowed!





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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Dominator View Post
    I guess you also have no problem with caps on internet usage, I guess no issue on a monopoly telecom system or cable system.

    last time i looked BELL Canada owns over a dozen news networks in Canada -- ..... BUT NOT FOX!
    Rogers Media and Shaw and VideoTron own dozens of media outlets ... BUT NOT FOX ..

    your right - the problem is when corporations "BUY" the media and in Canada BELL Canada, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw -- they don't buy the media - they own the internet access to it and the content that is on it --


    and not only news -- no foxsports, no ESPN, but TSN and sportsnet are ok -- what a joke -- really -- as Canadians we should be ashamed to let the CRTC dictate every facet of radio, TV and internet

    I AM CANADIAN AND SAY _ lets abolish the CRTC

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    What does that have to do with whether or not those companies can report FAKE news?? The OP has nothing to do with the Monoplies that are potentially created by the system. This is a completely different topic.

    And for the record I do have a problem with the UBB filing for capping internet usage. But again, that is off topic.

    If you abolish the CRTC everything would be a free-for all. The creation of the CRTC wasn't the problem. The fact was that BELL was once owned and operated by the Government. People had "trust" issues with that, so it was later privatized and all of the capital assets went into private hands. These assets were paid by Canadian taxpayers. That is the core problem. It's next to impossible to compete with 2 large companies who own an entire Country's infrastructure.

    That aside and back to the OP. If all media and internet companies were owned by 1 person, I still wouldn't support having a law in place that allows them to lie. That's way too much power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    No there isnt......

    And broadcasting FAKE NEWS is not free speech,ITS DISHONESTY and it shouldnt be allowed!


    I agree, although news can be bias one way or another it all has to stem from a fact. If it comes from crap than it shouldn't be allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Stephen) View Post
    I support anyones right to free speech and think this is terrible.

    Every news channel is full of lies and misrepresentation on a daily basis, if they actually enforced these rules by the letter they would never have any TV!

    I don't watch TV much, or listen to the radio, so doesn't impact me even if it happened here, but it is a bad slope to suppressing free thought in any regard.
    1) There's a difference between spin, and lying.

    2) You're getting your freedoms mixed up, a news channel deserves freedom of the press, not freedom of speech. The distinction is subtle, but it's there.

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    "a licenser may not broadcast ... any false or misleading news."
    You would think that all news organisations would strive for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AL-Benjamin View Post
    You would think that all news organisations would strive for this.
    unless your organization has been founded as a private mouthpiece for another private interest.

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    But really, what Canadian would watch Fox News?

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    The worst part of Fox News is watching people watch it! Aah I can't stand it.
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    Even though Fox News is horribly biased, the idea of censoring news is a dangerous route to take.
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    No news is free of bias, but some times the news media is misused for personal gain.
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    Rogers Cable Carries Fox News on channel 197 [1]

    Bell TV (fmr Bell ExpressVu) Carries Fox News on Channel 507 [2]

    Shaw Direct (fmr StarChoice) carries Fox News on Channel 154 [3]

    And in case you were wondering, these are the same exact feeds that appear in the states - there isn't a special Fox News just for Canada that leaves out the commentary of Glen Beck Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
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    I dont blame canada @ all!!!!!!!

    FOX (and many other MSM networks) lie as much as they can to steer PUPPETS a certain way and its disgusting.......
    With all due respect, it looks to me like the only puppet here is you.

    Being steered a certain way by so-called community media (note the root word there is commune) that anyone that does 5 minutes of research can discredit as nothing short of utter lies - oh the hypocrisy

    For future reference please do a little fact checking beforehand to avoid future embarrassment.
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    In 2003, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) rejected a Canadian Cable Telecommunications Association (CCTA) application to bring Fox News to Canada because Fox News U.S. and Global Television were planning to create Fox News Canada, a combination of U.S. and Canadian news. However in 2004, after a Fox U.S. executive said there were no plans to create the combined channel, the CRTC approved an application to bring Fox News to Canada.[75]
    Fox News Channel is currently offered by Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV. A notable exception is Vidéotron, Canada's third largest cable company, which has not added Fox News Channel to its lineup.
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    Sounds like they were rejected at first but later approved.


    As much as I hate Fox News, they do help late night shows out a lot.
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    CNN lies too dear . You need to be an expert and listen to various american and non american then you get a little truth of all all lies.

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    the 'lie' in your post is metaphorical lie. opinion/bias 'lie'. its not 'lie'.

    the lie in fox's case is libel lie. blatant lie. making up false truths.

    the former can be dubbed bias or opinion. the later, is a legal matter. and they were sued about it.

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    This is probably a little off-topic, but I dated a guy once whose dad was very liberal and he used to turn on Fox News just so he could argue with the TV. It was always really funny to watch haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley - Limestone View Post
    This is probably a little off-topic, but I dated a guy once whose dad was very liberal and he used to turn on Fox News just so he could argue with the TV. It was always really funny to watch haha!
    Haha that's hysterical. I'd like to watch that argument...I bet he always got the last word lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet
    With all due respect, it looks to me like the only puppet here is you.
    Excuse me??

    I am quite far from being a puppet! (I have my own mind and can think for myself)





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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Excuse me??

    I am quite far from being a puppet! (I have my own mind and can think for myself)
    Well, I just discredited your opening post and hence demonstrated that you, by making a fictional statement in your opening post to this thread, have mislead everyone reading this thread and thus you, by believing the lie you read in that article (or drawing an incorrect conclusion based upon that article, or otherwise), have thus passed on said lie and thus you, through your opening post in starting this thread, have done nothing short of lie to everyone reading this board about the nature of Fox News in Canada.

    Do you retract your fallacious statements or can you demonstrate that Fox News is, in fact, banned in Canada?

    If you do neither then that article you linked to has effectively made you it's puppet, or if you weren't acting ignorantly in your opening post, you were knowingly and in full awareness of your actions, deliberately spreading false statements and libeling a corporation in an attempt to cause trouble.

    I'm sure these boards would be interested in your response as deliberately posting/publishing false statements about another company in public (" Fox news banned in Canada ") is likely against WHT forum rules and is also possibly illegal in your jurisdiction as well. I sincerely hope for your own sake someone from NewsCorp doesn't see this thread and start proceedings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattS View Post
    As much as I hate Fox News, they do help late night shows out a lot.


    I don't particularly like any 24 hour news channels - watching CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews/CNBC/Bloomberg is enough to drive someone up the wall. They ALL have people with opinions talking on them - there isn't enough news in 1 day to fill 24 hours of TV time so they have to put something on. Even the weather channel does it with their storm stories series which when they first started doing that I'm sure it probably confused a lot of people into thinking there was a disaster happening right now when there really wasn't

    One of the biggest issues that people have with cable news channels it that they don't just report the news - they have people on to comment about it too. Be it Glen Beck on Fox (fmr CNN), Larry King on CNN, the Meet the Press people on NBC, Rachael Madow on MSNBC, or Jim Cramer on CNBC, they are all commentators and not just reporters. And this isn't something new, opinion sections of newspapers have been around for some time, but unlike with the cable news stations, the opinion section and the news section of newspapers are clearly separated. On cable news that separation is weak to non-existent.

    Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer to just watch the Nightly News/World News on ABC/CBS/NBC and on rare occasion follow that with the News Hour on PBS if something big in the world is going on (or if I'm bored). When you force someone to fit a days' worth of news into 30 minutes to an hour you don't have time for the reporter's opinion to get in there

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    ramnet,

    firstly, i dont even understand your rant about the dude's belief in the news that fox news was banned in canada. i would have believed it if it was from a credible source. then it may turn out to be something that is temporary later or etc. that wouldnt make anyone a pupped.

    secondly, fox news's lie is not some talking heads 'commenting' on stuff. they are telling direct lies, making stuff up, and libeling people.

    they have been sued for this, by damaged parties, and in court, they defended themselves as 'opinionated entertainment', NOT a news channel. this is how they averted paying reparations.

    for this to happen there needs to be two things :

    - they had to be lying about someone/something/some party for someone to be able to sue them.
    - the lies have to be lies enough, not just 'opinion', in order them to be forced to refuse their open status as a news channel, in order to avert reparations.

    it seems a lot of people in america have a problem telling lie from opinion. there is a HUGE difference in between the two, and its a serious matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    ramnet,

    firstly, i dont even understand your rant about the dude's belief in the news that fox news was banned in canada. i would have believed it if it was from a credible source. then it may turn out to be something that is temporary later or etc. that wouldnt make anyone a pupped.
    It's quite simple, he made a statement of fact ("Fox news banned in Canada"), published it on this forum (distribution), and provided no evidence to back up his claim other than a suspect article that doesn't even say fox news is banned in Canada in the first place and provides no sources or references either. That is easy grounds for a defamation suit.

    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    it seems a lot of people in america have a problem telling lie from opinion. there is a HUGE difference in between the two, and its a serious matter.
    Indeed,

    There is a big difference between "I think Fox News should be banned in Canada" (protected speech) or "Fox News is biased" (puffery, as it's impossible to reliably prove/disprove either way) and "Fox News Banned In Canada" (statement of fact, easy to prove/disprove, thus falls under defamation law if not true).

    Right or wrong, that's what the law is (and trust me there are a lot of laws I don't agree with, but that's a different subject .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    It's quite simple, he made a statement of .........
    i think you are exaggerating.

    being prevented from obtaining a license is little different from being banned in actuality. in the end, you dont get to broadcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unity100 View Post
    i think you are exaggerating.

    being prevented from obtaining a license is little different from being banned in actuality. in the end, you dont get to broadcast.
    But they are broadcasting... they're just not setting up a "Fox Canada". He's basically right, the phrase "Fox news banned in Canada" is not factually correct, because there are all manner of Canadian cable subscribers who can pick up Fox News just fine.

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