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    Question Servers with IPv6 support

    I had nailed my list down to Softlayer & limestone networks, both are really good providers. Softlayer offers free IPv6 but its a litle on the expensive side. OTOH, limestone networks is cheaper but says that I need to pay $25/month for IPv6 because they only offer it as a part of their IP pooling feature (which I don't need).

    Can you guys suggest good companies with IPv6 support?

    PS. I'm surprised how many providers are completely oblivious to offering IPv6 as the IPv4 pool will be significantly drained by Aug this year (6 months to go). Regardless of customer adoption, service providers need to be the first one to be offering IPv6, so people like us can test our IPv6 connectivity.

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    PS. I'm surprised how many providers are completely oblivious to offering IPv6 as the IPv4 pool will be significantly drained by Aug this year (6 months to go). Regardless of customer adoption, service providers need to be the first one to be offering IPv6, so people like us can test our IPv6 connectivity.
    I agree completely, it looks like only a few providers are getting ready to change to IPv6, some providers might still have big amount of IPv4 allocated to them though.

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    Any specific location for your server?

    Leaseweb in The Netherlands offers IPv6 for free.

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    I'm looking for a server in central US, as latency is important to us. with leaseweb I'm getting 192ms RTT.

    anyother suggestions?

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    Most providers should be able to offer it already Just contact a few if you are unsure.
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    There are a many hosts geared up for it, its just not advertised.

    I suggest posting the the relevant section of the site for offers.
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    BurstNET offers it on VPS/dedicated servers. Just open a ticket and they'll assign you a block.
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    Most are not affordable though, or their network is not fast enough(latency wise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    Most are not affordable though, or their network is not fast enough(latency wise).
    Are you referring to BurstNET? That's almost as cheap as they come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    Can you guys suggest good companies with IPv6 support?
    WholeSaleInternet out of Kansas City is nice (and geographically you can't get more central US than them) and they will do IPv6 for free on request. Although since you're looking at Limestone and Softlayer they might be a bit too budget for what you are after depending on what you're doing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    WholeSaleInternet out of Kansas City is nice (and geographically you can't get more central US than them) and they will do IPv6 for free on request. Although since you're looking at Limestone and Softlayer they might be a bit too budget for what you are after depending on what you're doing .

    We've been there about 2 years now and no real complaints so far
    I've been thinking about wholesaleinternet, the pings are pretty quick. The only problem is that I tried dialing the phone number to talk to a rep about lack of Win2008 server OS, but no one answered the phone. How quick is their support? Their pricing is really good too, not sure why they aren't offering Windows 2008 server as an option. Any rep from wholesaleinternet here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHostGenie View Post
    Are you referring to BurstNET? That's almost as cheap as they come.
    Burst.net's pricing is really good, but I'm getting 116ms RTT from bay area - way too much for our requirements. Whereas for softlayer & limestone, we were getting around 56ms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razzezz View Post
    There are a many hosts geared up for it, its just not advertised.

    I suggest posting the the relevant section of the site for offers.
    I'm still new to this site....which section is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    Burst.net's pricing is really good, but I'm getting 116ms RTT from bay area - way too much for our requirements. Whereas for softlayer & limestone, we were getting around 56ms.
    Then you are testing our East Coast location, when you should be testing our West Coast location ;-)

    Ping/Traceroute Test: 66.96.192.92 (Scranton) - 184.82.225.2 (California) - 178.238.129.83 (EU/UK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurstNET View Post
    Then you are testing our East Coast location, when you should be testing our West Coast location ;-)

    Ping/Traceroute Test: 66.96.192.92 (Scranton) - 184.82.225.2 (California) - 178.238.129.83 (EU/UK)

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    Ping is definitely much better to the cali location. But the server will be accessed by users from all over the US, so can't have this east vs west coast thing. Thats why we prefer a cetral-US location i.e. Texas, Illinois etc.

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    Hi Need4Speed,

    I'm just curious, what's your latency to our border?
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    There are larger providers that aren't IPv6 ready? We've been 100% IPv6 ready for about two years now. Can't believe anyone is that far behind, especially with IANA being entirely out of IPv4 space. The time for IPv6 is NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    There are larger providers that aren't IPv6 ready? We've been 100% IPv6 ready for about two years now. Can't believe anyone is that far behind, especially with IANA being entirely out of IPv4 space. The time for IPv6 is NOW.
    There are a ton, and vendor support is still abysmal. Good to see that there are other companies that are ready to rock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    I've been thinking about wholesaleinternet, the pings are pretty quick. The only problem is that I tried dialing the phone number to talk to a rep about lack of Win2008 server OS, but no one answered the phone. How quick is their support? Their pricing is really good too, not sure why they aren't offering Windows 2008 server as an option. Any rep from wholesaleinternet here?
    WII-Aaron, their founder and CTO, is on these boards regularly as a community guide.

    I can't speak to their phone support as I prefer e-mail but their support ticket response times have always been excellent for us.

    Their Sales and Billing departments are lacking which makes them look much worse than they really are on first impressions (ordering a new server from them can be painful if it's custom) but their Tech support team is superb and responds quickly when it counts
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    Quote Originally Posted by atlasnetworkseric View Post
    There are a ton, and vendor support is still abysmal. Good to see that there are other companies that are ready to rock.
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how poor software support still is... I am still AMAZED cPanel doesn't support IPv6 yet. I just don't understand the reason for the delay, if you're properly coded, going from IPv4 to IPv6 shouldn't be hard, it is the same CIDR notation, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how poor software support still is... I am still AMAZED cPanel doesn't support IPv6 yet. I just don't understand the reason for the delay, if you're properly coded, going from IPv4 to IPv6 shouldn't be hard, it is the same CIDR notation, etc.
    If CPanel has real IPv6 support by 2013, I'll be shocked. Fortunately, very basic Apache IPv6 support is relatively trivial to hack into CPanel using the includes files. Just a PITA. A lot of MX software doesn't support IPv6 yet either.

    Sorry to hijack OP's thread. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramnet View Post
    WII-Aaron, their founder and CTO, is on these boards regularly as a community guide.

    I can't speak to their phone support as I prefer e-mail but their support ticket response times have always been excellent for us.

    Their Sales and Billing departments are lacking which makes them look much worse than they really are on first impressions (ordering a new server from them can be painful if it's custom) but their Tech support team is superb and responds quickly when it counts
    well, I sent out an email to their support & general inquiry thread regarding placing an immediate hours....that was 6 hours ago and I still haven't heard back from anyone. Also, the do have quite a few negative reviews over here as well.

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    Not sure if it helps you but here's a traceroute from NL, Europe anyway:

    PHP Code:

      2    10 ms    
    <1 ms     1 ms  gige-g2-9.core1.ams1.he.net [2001:470:0:190::1]

      
    3     9 ms     8 ms    12 ms  10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.lon1.he.net [2001:470:0:3f::1]
      
    4    84 ms    83 ms    90 ms  10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.nyc4.he.net [2001:470:0:3e::1]
      
    5   105 ms   106 ms   104 ms  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.chi1.he.net [2001:470:0:4e::1]
      
    6   129 ms   130 ms   128 ms  10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.den1.he.net [2001:470:0:1af::2]
      
    7   161 ms   162 ms   162 ms  10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sea1.he.net [2001:470:0:18f::1]
      
    8   162 ms   160 ms   160 ms  v6-cr2-sea-B-t4-2.bb.spectrumnet.us [2001:504:16::2c8c]
      
    9   161 ms   160 ms   160 ms  agg1-sea-p20.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:0:18::2]
     
    10   161 ms   160 ms   160 ms  br1-metro-g1-0-25.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:4::2]
     
    11   161 ms   165 ms   162 ms  br1-cristalla-g1-0-28.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:6::1]
     
    12   161 ms   162 ms   165 ms  br1-atlasdc-g1-0-1.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:3::2]
     
    13   178 ms   160 ms   160 ms  2607:f060:b001::
    ps. Above is for atlasnetworkseric on the first page, didn't realize the thread is 2 pages long:
    I'm just curious, what's your latency to our border?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    I'm still new to this site....which section is that?
    The hosting and offers section is - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariushm View Post
    Not sure if it helps you but here's a traceroute from NL, Europe anyway:

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    <1 ms     1 ms  gige-g2-9.core1.ams1.he.net [2001:470:0:190::1]

      
    3     9 ms     8 ms    12 ms  10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.lon1.he.net [2001:470:0:3f::1]
      
    4    84 ms    83 ms    90 ms  10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.nyc4.he.net [2001:470:0:3e::1]
      
    5   105 ms   106 ms   104 ms  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.chi1.he.net [2001:470:0:4e::1]
      
    6   129 ms   130 ms   128 ms  10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.den1.he.net [2001:470:0:1af::2]
      
    7   161 ms   162 ms   162 ms  10gigabitethernet3-4.core1.sea1.he.net [2001:470:0:18f::1]
      
    8   162 ms   160 ms   160 ms  v6-cr2-sea-B-t4-2.bb.spectrumnet.us [2001:504:16::2c8c]
      
    9   161 ms   160 ms   160 ms  agg1-sea-p20.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:0:18::2]
     
    10   161 ms   160 ms   160 ms  br1-metro-g1-0-25.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:4::2]
     
    11   161 ms   165 ms   162 ms  br1-cristalla-g1-0-28.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:6::1]
     
    12   161 ms   162 ms   165 ms  br1-atlasdc-g1-0-1.bb.spectrumnet.us [2607:f060:1:3::2]
     
    13   178 ms   160 ms   160 ms  2607:f060:b001::
    ps. Above is for atlasnetworkseric on the first page, didn't realize the thread is 2 pages long:
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    Still can't find any decent provider with IPv6...comeon guys help me out a bit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    Still can't find any decent provider with IPv6...comeon guys help me out a bit!
    Why not use a tunnel broker and look for a dedi close to one of the tunnel points HE has setup?

    You could get a box with limestone and just connect to the TX tunnelbroker and have it within 1 - 2ms i'm sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaAnime View Post
    Why not use a tunnel broker and look for a dedi close to one of the tunnel points HE has setup?

    You could get a box with limestone and just connect to the TX tunnelbroker and have it within 1 - 2ms i'm sure!

    Francisco
    Is using a tunnel broker service the same as if I were using Softlayer's IPv6 servers? I did look at tunnel brokers and it seems they have different protocols & varying level of coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Need4Speed View Post
    Is using a tunnel broker service the same as if I were using Softlayer's IPv6 servers? I did look at tunnel brokers and it seems they have different protocols & varying level of coverage.
    You're tunneling your IPV6 so depending on where the server is that's handling the broker side of it you will get different pings. The problem with tunnels is that you now rely on another network to provide your ipv6 outside of softlayer/etc.

    HE is a very stable provider, though, so that's not really a big issue.

    For actual dedis with ipv6 included for free you can check either egihosting or steadfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaAnime View Post
    You're tunneling your IPV6 so depending on where the server is that's handling the broker side of it you will get different pings. The problem with tunnels is that you now rely on another network to provide your ipv6 outside of softlayer/etc.

    HE is a very stable provider, though, so that's not really a big issue.

    For actual dedis with ipv6 included for free you can check either egihosting or steadfast.

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    Thanks for the recommendation, Fran.
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    I'll throw my recommendation for both steadfast and softlayer. Both chicago and texas are central. If you are gaming (I suspect you may be since the ping is important, if not then the principal is the same for most ping sensitive applications) you get an average mid 50's ping to both locations from pretty much anywhere. No matter where you are at your connection speed is always respectable.

    I had a bunch of games running on both steadfast and softlayer servers and it was always smooth as glass. I say squeeze the budget a bit and choose one of those guys who are proficient in all they do including being way ahead of the game with Ipv6. both are priced very well and won't nickel and dime you with crap along the way.

    I can indeed say with great confidence and respect after talking with many dedicated/colo providers, When you get off the phone with Karl or any one of their team you can't help but say "man these guys know their business". Not just one person who knows everything and a bunch of net nerds they pay $10 bucks a day to fill an empty seat...everyone.

    Also as a side note I did a boatload of research when looking for central locations myself and a lot of the "central" locations end up having to backhaul to chicago or texas anyway, so there is more than just a physical footprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvailNetworks View Post
    I'll throw my recommendation for both steadfast and softlayer. Both chicago and texas are central. If you are gaming (I suspect you may be since the ping is important, if not then the principal is the same for most ping sensitive applications) you get an average mid 50's ping to both locations from pretty much anywhere. No matter where you are at your connection speed is always respectable.

    I had a bunch of games running on both steadfast and softlayer servers and it was always smooth as glass. I say squeeze the budget a bit and choose one of those guys who are proficient in all they do including being way ahead of the game with Ipv6. both are priced very well and won't nickel and dime you with crap along the way.

    I can indeed say with great confidence and respect after talking with many dedicated/colo providers, When you get off the phone with Karl or any one of their team you can't help but say "man these guys know their business". Not just one person who knows everything and a bunch of net nerds they pay $10 bucks a day to fill an empty seat...everyone.

    Also as a side note I did a boatload of research when looking for central locations myself and a lot of the "central" locations end up having to backhaul to chicago or texas anyway, so there is more than just a physical footprint.
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