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    Question Best Wordpress wiki plugin? Compare MediaWiki, WP-Wiki vs. Buddypress Wiki?

    I have successfully installed my first multi-site (MU/MS) WordPress at Verhampshire.com. All I need is an integrated wiki. But a wiki is one thing that I don't want to have to migrate later. That is serious and the options are seriously confusing. Surfing the wiki tags at WordPress.org as well as WordPress.org forum discussions and Googling, I have come up with three prominent options. However the differences never seem clearly explained...

    Please note:
    (a) I am skeptical about using a Wiki that might be good but not remain supported. So if anyone suggests a Wiki with fewer than 1,000 downloads, I am open minded but you'll have to convince me!
    (b) I am not very concerned about bells-and-whistles. Mainly looking for a wiki that is efficient, reliable and with long-term support.

    1. MediaWiki-Wordpress Integration. Pros: Can't seem to go far wrong with the Wiki used by Wikipedia and WordPress.org. As certain as anything to remain supported. I have done a small contribution to the WordPress Codex and it worked smoothly for me. Cons: even the founder of Wikipedia says MediaWiki is outdated and over-complicated. Probably MediaWiki is topheavy for most needs and I believe it's good to travel light.

    2. WP-Wiki. Well established, lots of downloads. On the surface, seems like "the" wiki for WordPress. But somehow only rates 3 stars, and somehow seems rarely mentioned at Webhostingtalk.com discussions for WordPress Wiki's. Especially: if WP-Wiki were any good, why did WordPress.org choose MediaWiki...?

    3. Buddypress Group Wiki. At Webhostingtalk.com, WordPress wiki discussions seem to assume that Buddypress is needed, i.e., Buddypress Wiki seems the best-known wiki plug-in. Why is this? Most of all... even if I do not need Buddypress, is it perhaps worthwhile to install Buddypress just so that I can use this wiki? Also... Will Buddypress + Groups Wiki perhaps be less topheavy than MediaWiki?

    4. Wistful mention. (Not yet available.) VaultWiki is a Vbulletin forum plug-in that is so successful it is branching out to make wiki versions for other CMS's. Watch for Vaultwiki to be available for WordPress... someday...

    (Incidental Notes. I intend later to establish other WordPress group sites, which will definately use BuddyPress and BBpress. "Best forum plugin" for MU sites seems a more simple question than the best wiki. This seems definately BBpress, maintained by WordPress.org itself! Except that one-blog sites might be happier with Simple Forum. And of course, for a super-serious forum emphasis, all the major forum specialists have WordPress bridges, including the up-and-comer Xenforo. Thank you anyone for any other tips or suggestions.)
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    I only have experience with MediaWiki w/wordpress integration... - And whilst yet I would agree its topheavy, its not too hard to implement at all and is a tried and tested system
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    I will vote for budypress wiki

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    PaulM: Thank you for the assurance that MediaWiki integration is very do-able. I may well need a full-featured wiki for large projects.

    Alexx LL: Thank you also for one more statement in favor of BP-Wiki. I have found several such statements on WHT. Alexx also had an interesting website in his signature, which apparently uses PB Wiki to enable collaboration among webmasters to build an information directory. Unfortunately Alexx is "temporarily suspended." I hope this was a minor misunderstanding and Alexx's signature will return.

    Updates.

    1. The original official name of BP-Wiki was Buddypress-Group-Wiki. BP-Wiki is currently being re-written under the new official name: Buddypress-Wiki-Component. Yesterday I posted my questions in the Buddypress-Wiki-Component subforum at Buddypress.org. So far, no replies.

    2. It seems to me that WP-Wiki is 'perhaps' not very popular because it attempts to do too much and thus has had problems. Therefore, based on very limited information, I must conclude that that those who need a large or full-featured wiki should go to MediaWiki, which is as certain as can be to remain supported.

    3. The Buddypress-Wiki meanwhile seems to aim for simplicity and to achieve this well. This is probably more efficient than MediaWiki and probably works well for most moderate-sized communties needing only a moderate sized wiki.

    4. BP-Wiki seems to depend on one under-funded UK programmer, although who is young and energetic. I intend to try out BP-Wiki, and also actively to encourage other users to make regular donations for this much-needed application.

    I believe that as a matter of principle, everyone should donate "something" annually to every free application. In theory at least $10 annually for noncommercial and startup users, and of course more for successful businesses. The easiest way to do this is using Paypal auto-repeating payments. This also leaves a convenient online record.

    However, "free" applications become less of a bargain if we must donate separately to "plug-ins." Therefore, the best "plug-ins" are often neglected and suddenly no longer available.

    Therefore, as a beginning developer who has not yet made any profits, I intend to initiate $1 annual Paypal payments to any freeware, even before I am sure that I will continue using it. (These payments can be edited easily at my convenience in my Paypal account.) I will also soon open a website that gives free promotional blogsites to freeware users, encouraging them to donate to the freeware of their choice.

    Meanwhile, I will increase my donation to $10 annually for applications that I use successfully and that are under-recognized, such as perhaps BP-Wiki. I.e., I cannot afford to donate $10 annually to every useful application AND every plug-in for that application. So, I have decided to donate $1 annually to each application and $10 annually to any critical and under-funded plug-ins, such as perhaps BP-Wiki.

    Paul and Alexx: believe it or not, your two brief statements represent all that I have been able to learn about Wordpress Wiki plug-ins. You have been quite encouraging and helpful.

    Anyone: Please "reply" here if you would like to see further updates. Otherwise, I cannot post more updates, because this would be "improper bumping" of this thread.
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    @krystofo: Curious as to how your Buddypress Wiki research / testing has gone over the last 2 months? Any new developments / findings you can share?

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    Wiki integration

    Could you be more specific about what's necessary to integrate the wiki? I believe you mentioned many options, etc. Would a beginner be able to do it?

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    Thanks "krystofo" to share details about wiki plugin here. However, I prefer to only "WP-Wiki".

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    A new offering to the wiki-like mix is the Group Docs plugin for Buddypress:

    buddypress.org/community/groups/buddypress-docs/home

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    For me WP_Wiki is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellenfinkl View Post
    Could you be more specific about what's necessary to integrate the wiki? I believe you mentioned many options, etc. Would a beginner be able to do it?
    Sorry I don't have exact references handy for MediaWiki integration--but these are easily found by searching Wordpress.org.

    I have mainly the assurance of PaulM in reply no. 2 above that MediaWiki is "not too difficult" to integrate. I suggest a beginner (like me) simply do this with a Wordpress installation that is not yet in operation. Then you have nothing to lose. This is how I have already learned to do several things with Wordpress that I doubted whether I could do. If you hit a snag, the wordpress help forum also will be helpful. Last resort: advertise free here at WHT to pay someone $20-$50 to do the integration. If your Wordpress project is not high-priority enough to justify this effort or cost, then of course you might as well just use WP-wiki, as others here are suggesting.

    The way things are going for me, it may be 6-12 months before I get around to doing this. I will hope to leave notes here at that time. Meanwhile here are my overall conclusions.

    1. MediaWiki is the wiki chosen for use by Wordpress.org. So we can be more sure than any other that it will always be compatible.
    2. MediaWiki is the original wiki used by Wikipedia, thus by far the most well-known wiki system on the planet, and also equally fundamental and well-supported an open source project as Wordpress itself.
    3. MediaWiki may be "topheavy" ("much more than necessary") in features but... if your traffic is small then this won't burden your server... and if your traffic becomes large then you will need the extra features.
    4. The main complaint against MediaWiki is its complexity. However the occasional user always can simply edit basic text with no problem at all.

    Good luck all! Thank you all for contributing to this discussion!
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