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    sandybridge information

    when intel release sandybridge?
    is there any supermicro mobo support for sandybridge?

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    CES 2011 is only a few days away.

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    Sandy Bridge officially launches the second week of January (9th)... The current release of Sandy Bridge products will consist of the desktop lineup only.

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    CES is on Jan 5th. Sales are on 9th, I'd like an octacore.
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    so for server cpu it takes another week? or month?

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    Don't expect "Sandy Bridge" architecture-based server processors until later in the year... Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_B...roarchitecture)


  7. Intel officially released sandy-bridge based i5-2xxx (quad-core + on-die graphic core):
    http://www.intel.com/products/proces...rei5/index.htm

    also, some socket 1155 desktop boards with H67 chipset were released too. these 2 boards look promising for rack server chassis:
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...L-overview.htm
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...F-overview.htm

    these CPUs/boards can be targeted for low-budget quad-core server builds to replace those old socket 775/DDR2 staffs. mind you that DDR3 price is at all time low, but DDR2 stays pretty high.

    it's been a long time coming! we couldn't put i5 lynnfield quad-core CPU on budget 1156 desktop board because you couldn't get a video port unless you install a standalone video card in 1U chassis. NOW you can do that with socket 1155 staffs because sandy bridge CPU has on-die graphic and H67 chipset provide a video port on board.

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    Intel officially released sandy-bridge based i5-2xxx (quad-core + on-die graphic core):
    http://www.intel.com/products/proces...rei5/index.htm

    also, some socket 1155 desktop boards with H67 chipset were released too. these 2 boards look promising for rack server chassis:
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...L-overview.htm
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...F-overview.htm

    these CPUs/boards can be targeted for low-budget quad-core server builds to replace those old socket 775/DDR2 staffs. mind you that DDR3 price is at all time low, but DDR2 stays pretty high.

    it's been a long time coming! we couldn't put i5 lynnfield quad-core CPU on budget 1156 desktop board because you couldn't get a video port unless you install a standalone video card in 1U chassis. NOW you can do that with socket 1155 staffs because sandy bridge CPU has on-die graphic and H67 chipset provide a video port on board.
    Nice. Good information as always.

    I'm not looking forward to figuring out which boards actually work well / reliable and with what ram on the new chips though
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Intel officially released sandy-bridge based i5-2xxx (quad-core + on-die graphic core):
    http://www.intel.com/products/proces...rei5/index.htm

    also, some socket 1155 desktop boards with H67 chipset were released too. these 2 boards look promising for rack server chassis:
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...L-overview.htm
    http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...F-overview.htm

    these CPUs/boards can be targeted for low-budget quad-core server builds to replace those old socket 775/DDR2 staffs. mind you that DDR3 price is at all time low, but DDR2 stays pretty high.

    it's been a long time coming! we couldn't put i5 lynnfield quad-core CPU on budget 1156 desktop board because you couldn't get a video port unless you install a standalone video card in 1U chassis. NOW you can do that with socket 1155 staffs because sandy bridge CPU has on-die graphic and H67 chipset provide a video port on board.
    so apaq, when you will start selling those supermicro provide with sandybridge?

  10. sandy bridge Xeon E3-12xx series hasn't been officially released by Intel yet. hopefully it will be in next few days. supermicro X9 socket 1155 boards should be announced immediately after.

    usually from product announcement/release to the actual availability in distribution channels takes a while, anywhere from 1-week to 1-month I guess...

  11. words from our vendors are i5 2xxx sandy bridge CPUs and intel socket 1156 desktop boards will be all over the places comes next week.

    street price for i5-2500 (3.3Ghz quad-core, 6M L3, 32nm, 95w TDP, no HT) will be around $220 which is the best price/performance chip and a good candidate to outdate i5-750/760 chip.

    still no firm release date on Xeon E3 sandy bridge stuffs other than supermicro will have some engineer samples of X9SCM-F/X9SCL-F 1155 boards available by end of Jan.

    socket 1155 boards, either Intel desktop boards or SM server boards, will support 6G/s SATA-III as well as 5G/s USB 3.0, both should be supported by the upcoming (maybe in 2 weeks?!) CentOS 6.0 stock kernel.

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    How do those new chips perform compare to X3400 series.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Eiv View Post
    How do those new chips perform compare to X3400 series.
    the fair comparison shall be Xeon E3 sandy bridge 1155 v Xeon Lynnfield X34xx 1156, but you just can't find any published benchmarks on Xeon UP platform of any kind!

    anyway, according to published benchmarks found on web, i5-2500 sandy bridge (3.3Ghz quad-core 6M L3 no HT no ECC) performs anywhere between 50%~80% better than i5-750 lynnfield (2.66Ghz quad-core 8M L3 no HT no ECC) on desktop/workstation apps, yet i5-2500 costs just ~$25 more. it's very likely we will see the same performance/cost spread between said Xeon E3 1240 (3.3Ghz quad-core 8M L3 HT ECC 95w) v Xeon X3440 (2.66Ghz quad-core 8M L3 HT ECC 95w). Xeon E3 sandy-bridge will have substantial performance gain over Xeon lynnfield per dollar.

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  15. the "K" version of i5 2xxx means the on-die clock multiplier is officially "unlocked" so that you can basically "overclock" (or turbo boost), with Intel's blessing, the processor all you want providing that all other components on the platform can provide a stable systems. generally speaking, you don't really want to do so on a production server!

    was it me, I would stay with i5-2500 or 2600 w/o "K", and they are much cheaper as well.

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    Any word yet? I was looking to build a 1156 server but SB came a lot quicker than I thought.

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    any word on what? they have just barely been released and this thread is only a few days old.

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    5 days since last reply, just anxious heh

  19. firstly, still no firm release date of Xeon E3 series. as far as I know, it will be at least another 4~6 weeks before we can have an operational platform based on Xeon E3 installed on supermicro X9 socket 1155 server board.

    we did get a chance to test core i5-2500 installed on Intel DH67CF desktop board (mini ITX board, 2x DDR3 DIMM, H67 south bridge, Intel 82579V Gb NIC), but CentOS 5.5 installation was not so swift:
    1. there is no working driver (either kernel built-in nor 3rd party) for Intel 82579V NIC port, Intel yet to release an updated e1000e driver nor any new source code to include 82579 chip! thus, can't even compile a workable ".ko" driver for any linux distro.
    2. you must use ACHI mode for any SATA drives attached. can't use "IDE" mode due to the new ICHx controller inside H67.
    3. no graphic mode installation, neither "linux VESA" will work! you must do "linux text" install.
    4. socket 1156 cooler/heatsink works just fine for socket 1155 board. we use Dynatron K2 active blower/heatsink for the intel 1155 board.

    although we didn't test it, but I don't really anticipate issues for windows installation. for CentOS installation, the only work-around is to install a standalone PCI-E based NIC card for Linux installation before Intel releases updated source code for e1000e driver.

    "cat /proc/cpuinfo" does identify i5-2500 as "sandy bridge", it detects "3.3Ghz", and sees all 4 cores.


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  21. Quote Originally Posted by CGotzmann View Post
    Will those fit in 1U? Seems like it wont due to higher audio and nic ports?
    judging from the picture of rear IO ports shown on Asrock's page, it will fit 1U rear panel.

    just about the only make among major brands you can't use in 1U chassis is MSI which still uses tall audio ports on all their desktop boards.

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    what about the i/o panel? is it necessary?

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    Will those fit in 1U? Seems like it wont due to higher audio and nic ports?
    You can always use pliers to rip the back off your i/o panel on the cases
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by meyu View Post
    what about the i/o panel? is it necessary?
    we've been installing desktop board without rear IO panel in supermicro 1U rackmount chasis, namely SC512 and SC8111T, since 2002, and never heard an issue in production environment raised by customers.

    with the exceptions of SC510/SC502/SC503 chassis, the rear IO panel of all other supermicro 1U chassis is held by 2 screws, and it's totally removable

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    We are using Biostar TH67+ boards in our 1U chassis with good success, and we've already adapted our passive cooling system to work with the platform so no active CPU cooler is required. The only hitch is that you do still have to do a text mode install for CentOS, as the SB integrated video has no support in the CentOS 5.5 installer. We also have a custom I/O shield in production (ETA next week) for the Biostar board that will work with most standard 1U chassis. Our experience with leaving I/O shields out is that it can lead to hot airflow recirculation issues, especially in cabinet environments.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rob T View Post
    We are using Biostar TH67+ boards in our 1U chassis with good success, and we've already adapted our passive cooling system to work with the platform so no active CPU cooler is required. The only hitch is that you do still have to do a text mode install for CentOS, as the SB integrated video has no support in the CentOS 5.5 installer. We also have a custom I/O shield in production (ETA next week) for the Biostar board that will work with most standard 1U chassis. Our experience with leaving I/O shields out is that it can lead to hot airflow recirculation issues, especially in cabinet environments.
    not a big fan of Biostar, but I guess everyone's mileage varies. which NIC is on TH67+?

    we do plan to offer Asrock H67M/H67M-GE 1155 board installed in supermicro mini 1U SC512L-260B chassis very soon. due to the infamous "vibrate your drives to death" issue if SC512L's mid-chassis blower runs at full speed, passive cooling is not an option no more! nowadays, we always install active blower fan (Dynatron K2 1155/1156 1U fan) on CPU socket, regardless server board or desktop board, so that CPU fan runs at full speed, then chassis blower is set to run at low or half speed. this arrangement allows excellent cooling to CPU, yet it wholly eliminates the vibration issue.

  27. also, can't really use Biostar TH67+ in SC512L because the location 24-pin power connector (located at the end of DIMM slots) which totally blocks air flow from chassis blower.

    actually, most socket 1156/1155 desktop boards, regardless makes, has the 24-pin connector located at the same nagging spot. this certainly limits your choice of desktop board if it is to be installed in the ever popular SC512L chassis. thus far, we found only a few 1155/1156 boards offered by Asrock has the 24-pin connector planted away from blower outlet at SC512L.

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    also, can't really use Biostar TH67+ in SC512L because the location 24-pin power connector (located at the end of DIMM slots) which totally blocks air flow from chassis blower.

    actually, most socket 1156/1155 desktop boards, regardless makes, has the 24-pin connector located at the same nagging spot. this certainly limits your choice of desktop board if it is to be installed in the ever popular SC512L chassis. thus far, we found only a few 1155/1156 boards offered by Asrock has the 24-pin connector planted away from blower outlet at SC512L.
    I've had the same issue with some core2quad boards and even a dual xeon board. Sometimes you can get a little leeway by moving the cables as far over to one side as possible. The power supplies have a lot of little intake holes. In some of these boards you can't help but cover some of them, but as long as you can get a good number of them to be unimpeded, it won't be a total disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    also, can't really use Biostar TH67+ in SC512L because the location 24-pin power connector (located at the end of DIMM slots) which totally blocks air flow from chassis blower.

    actually, most socket 1156/1155 desktop boards, regardless makes, has the 24-pin connector located at the same nagging spot. this certainly limits your choice of desktop board if it is to be installed in the ever popular SC512L chassis. thus far, we found only a few 1155/1156 boards offered by Asrock has the 24-pin connector planted away from blower outlet at SC512L.
    I have to say, I've come to just HATE the SC512 chassis. So many more options and so much easier to work with something in the SC811 range or similar. Yes, it'll cost you twice as much for a chassis, though that is only ~$80 here, but you'll save in the long term, not having to worry about vibration issues, having more flexibility, cutting down the work time (and down time) doing work in the system with more room and rails, etc.
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    I'd agree with Karl. SC811 series is a must. However seems a lot of people are too "budget conscience" when it comes to the SC512 series. I get shot down a lot on that recommendation. Got to figure when you add rails to a 512 series, the difference all-in-all is only about $30 or so.

    Just some thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    I have to say, I've come to just HATE the SC512 chassis. So many more options and so much easier to work with something in the SC811 range or similar. Yes, it'll cost you twice as much for a chassis, though that is only ~$80 here, but you'll save in the long term, not having to worry about vibration issues, having more flexibility, cutting down the work time (and down time) doing work in the system with more room and rails, etc.
    I hate the SC512 as well. As long as you only need one hard drive, or 2x2.5" drives, the 510 series is good as they only cost a few bucks more than the 512 but have a high efficiency power supply and generally work well.

    For the 811, only the SC811TQ-350B has a high efficiency power supply, and it costs around $200. For about $40 more, I can get a supermicro with 4 drive bays, vs the 510 costing $100 - $130, so I'm either going to go with the 510 to keep costs down, or go up to the 4 bay supermicro for about $240.
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by KarlZimmer View Post
    I have to say, I've come to just HATE the SC512 chassis. So many more options and so much easier to work with something in the SC811 range or similar. Yes, it'll cost you twice as much for a chassis, though that is only ~$80 here, but you'll save in the long term, not having to worry about vibration issues, having more flexibility, cutting down the work time (and down time) doing work in the system with more room and rails, etc.
    well, our long-time clients still can't have enough servers in sc512L chassis. as long as a strong demand is there and a good resolution to vibration issue is implemented, we will continue supplying them!

    for a budget server using desktop board and single drive or dual drives (2nd drive as /backup or SW RAID1) setup, SC512L is still a very attractive chassis. I don't see an end of this type of configuration any time soon.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by funkywizard View Post
    I hate the SC512 as well. As long as you only need one hard drive, or 2x2.5" drives, the 510 series is good as they only cost a few bucks more than the 512 but have a high efficiency power supply and generally work well.

    For the 811, only the SC811TQ-350B has a high efficiency power supply, and it costs around $200. For about $40 more, I can get a supermicro with 4 drive bays, vs the 510 costing $100 - $130, so I'm either going to go with the 510 to keep costs down, or go up to the 4 bay supermicro for about $240.
    the rear IO panel at SC510 is not removable, only SM server board can fit in there unless you want to dramel it so that desktop board can fit.

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    the rear IO panel at SC510 is not removable, only SM server board can fit in there unless you want to dramel it so that desktop board can fit.
    Yeah that part was certainly a pain. Even the supermicro boards that are listed as compatible don't always work. The IPMI ethernet port is blocked by part of the i/o panel, so you have to get pliers or a dremel or something to open that up, and that's just for a motherboard that's designed for the case
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Asrock (rebranded Asus) H67M (2x DDR3) or H67M-GE (4x DDR3) can be good candidates for budget socket 1155 servers:
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=H67M
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=H67M-GE
    both comes with Realtek RTL8111E Gb NIC port (the same NIC found on Intel D525MW Atom baord) which is supported by CentOS 5.5 stock kernel

    newegg is selling H67M for $89
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157220
    updates:
    CentOS 5.5 works great on H67M (w/ core i5-2500) that we tested. 2x supertalent 4G non-ECC DDR3-1333 (8GB for under $80!), and WD5003AALX black SATA-III were installed.
    1. must set SATA ports to ACHI mode in BIOS. no performance difference between SATA-II ports and SATA-III ports due to the ACHI driver in CentOS kernel is limited SATA-II (3G/s) at this time. HOWEVER, a "dd" 10GB sequential write test showed a rate of 149M/sec which is unprecedented coming from a 7200rpm SATA drive. I guess the 3.3Ghz CPU helps a lot....
    2. must use "linux text" to install. CentOS 5.5 is not compatible with sandy bridge's graphic core. so, no X windows!
    3. on-board Realtek RTL8111E Gb NIC port is covered by stock kernel as expected
    4. 2x USB 3.0 (5G/s) ports doesn't work yet since stock kernel has no driver for them. all other USB 2.0 ports do work.
    5. don't see any fitting problems to put H67M in SC512L chassis. the dynatron K2 1U blower works fine with i5-2500 CPU.

    finally we have an operational sandy bridge budget platform for CentOS! server-grade features aside, this little budget server with 3.3ghz quad-core CPU w/8G DDR3 (or 16GB RAM with H67M-GE board) will outgun X34x0 or i5/i7 lynnfield based servers a great deal!
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    I just upgraded an old office PC with an Intel P67 board, i7-2600K, 8Gb 1600mhz memory and a nice vid card. Supposedly you can overclock these beasts to 5+Ghz (although 3.4 is more than enough for me)....amazing performance for the money -- and only 95watt cpu! This will make lower end quad core servers much more powerful once they hit the server market.
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by FastServ View Post
    I just upgraded an old office PC with an Intel P67 board, i7-2600K, 8Gb 1600mhz memory and a nice vid card. Supposedly you can overclock these beasts to 5+Ghz (although 3.4 is more than enough for me)....amazing performance for the money -- and only 95watt cpu! This will make lower end quad core servers much more powerful once they hit the server market.
    as soon as Xeon E3 and supermicro X9SCM-F board becomes available, they will replace the current ever-popular Xeon X34x0 and X8SIL-F as "main stream" UP builds very, very quickly. thus, do plan ahead for your future builds!

    Xeon E3 1220/1230/1240 sandybridge will draw just 80watt max because they don't have/need internal graphic core like i5-2xxx. the X9 server board will have IPMI compatible graphic chip such as Matrox G200eW video on board already.

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    Personally I care more about the performance/watt than the clock speed.
    We already have more CPU power than we need with the previous generation of processors.

    Was wondering if anyone bought one of the low voltage versions like the i7-2600S?
    Curious what the actual power consumption of the entire server with one of these is.

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