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  1. #51
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    Originally posted by haxorboi
    some of us it people who have not had jobs for 3+ months are running out of cash and running low on credit, i have a card i use for online ****, and well... i have about $110 available credit on it.... so... i have a server beach order waiting, and a unitedcolo order waiting.... first one to charge it wins, and to the other...well... too late...


    also, if anyone wants to donate $20 to the save the broke as it consultant fund, they are more then welcome!
    lol call serverbeach and cancel? lol anyhow i heard server beach has horrible support and i can't comment on united colo as i hav'nt dealth with them enough yet but i plan to call tomorrow to see how long takes to get somone on the phone

    UCG Inc. whats your name? i will ask for you lol

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    A bit off topic but www.unitedcolo.com still down for me...time for me to switch new ISPs.

    Time Warner has a really bad habit of breaking their DNS servers, this has happened quite a lot.

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    Originally posted by mushrew
    A bit off topic but www.unitedcolo.com still down for me...time for me to switch new ISPs.

    Time Warner has a really bad habit of breaking their DNS servers, this has happened quite a lot.
    It might be that they have recently upgraded Bind. The newest version is a lot more picky about rules than previous versions. If unitedcolo's dns records are off by a smidge, they'll resolve fine with older versions of Bind and not with the new one.

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    Could UCG please explain their routing, and name all of their bandwidth providers.

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    that'd be of interest for me, and surely everyone else, too.

    greets,
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    Question

    Hi Atr,

    You won't be able to ping unitedcolo.com directly or any IPs in the 66.111.32.XX block because this entire block is behind a firewall with ICMP restriction. Customers IP begins in the 66.111.33.XX block -- which are open to ping test.

    http://cc-www.uia.ac.be/cgi-bin/pin...me=66.111.33.10

    Ping Result
    64 bytes from 66.111.33.10: icmp_seq=0. time=167. ms
    64 bytes from 66.111.33.10: icmp_seq=1. time=167. ms
    64 bytes from 66.111.33.10: icmp_seq=2. time=165. ms
    64 bytes from 66.111.33.10: icmp_seq=3. time=165. ms
    64 bytes from 66.111.33.10: icmp_seq=4. time=177. ms

    ----66.111.33.10 PING Statistics----
    5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
    round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 165/168/177


    Best Regards.


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    Hey, 66.111.33.10 thats my server!!! Did I get the first or something????
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    Originally posted by ikiwi.net


    Hey, 66.111.33.10 thats my server!!! Did I get the first or something????
    lol am i mistaken or does'nt ikiwi sell servers? why would'nt you use one of your own? makes no sense

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    Originally posted by haxorboi
    some of us it people who have not had jobs for 3+ months are running out of cash and running low on credit, i have a card i use for online ****, and well... i have about $110 available credit on it.... so... i have a server beach order waiting, and a unitedcolo order waiting.... first one to charge it wins, and to the other...well... too late...


    also, if anyone wants to donate $20 to the save the broke as it consultant fund, they are more then welcome!
    wow. why would you say this out loud on a forum??????

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    Originally posted by clocker1996


    wow. why would you say this out loud on a forum??????
    heh i was asking myself the same question but i did'nt say much lol.

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    Reality Check!

    I think UCG Inc. and some members on this forum need a Reality Check! Ask your-self how many $400 servers you can sell for $50. This companies business plan must read like a fairy tale.

    What is everyone thinking?
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  11. #61
    At last someone speaks out!
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  12. #62
    Hi SiteKeeper & Multivol,

    While dedicated servers is an important part of our operations, the bulk of our revenues come from co-location customers and companies that buys bandwidth (only) from UCG. Therefore, UCG is not technically losing money on each server because we are shifting the profits / cash from other units to increase capital expenditure (i.e. buying servers) rather than keeping it in the bank.

    Some capital expenditures are treated as an asset which make your balance sheet looks great while too much cash on hand in the bank give you at best 5% ROI and it's also treated as taxable income. What would you do -- build up your company infrastructure or pay unnecesssary taxes?
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    Originally posted by UCG Inc.
    Some capital expenditures are treated as an asset which make your balance sheet looks great while too much cash on hand in the bank give you at best 5% ROI and it's also treated as taxable income. What would you do -- build up your company infrastructure or pay unnecesssary taxes?
    What/When is your break even point for the dedicated servers? Looks like a lose lose program to me.
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    Does this UCG person have a name? Why won't s/he answer the routing question? in/out routing, please explain.

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    i ordered one today

    they told me thursday.. lets see what happens

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    Originally posted by chrisb
    Does this UCG person have a name? Why won't s/he answer the routing question? in/out routing, please explain.
    From what I've seen, and the PM's I've had answered it appears that the UGC Inc. Account on WHT is used by more then one person within the company.

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    Originally posted by clocker1996
    i ordered one today

    they told me thursday.. lets see what happens
    I think you might get one, but it looks way too much like a Pyramid scheme. How long can they shell out the money for the new servers and pay support and data center costs?

    An old joke:
    A store owner purchases pencils for ten cents a piece, then turns around and sells them for only a nickel. Noticing this bizarre behavior, his partner asks, “How do you expect us to stay in business that way?” The man replies, “Volume!”

    Surprisingly, many novice entrepreneurs choose a similar strategy. They think they can succeed merely by pricing their products or services cheaper than the competition. Low prices, they assume, will generate sufficient sales to more than make up for smaller profits. Like the store owner of the joke, these entrepreneurs rationalize, “What I lose in margins, I’ll make up in volume.”
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    What's strange to me is that these UCG threads have gone on for days and many pages, and yet UCG still has not addressed the in/out bandwidth routing question, or been willing to name all of their incoming and outgoing bandwidth providers.

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    <quote>lol am i mistaken or does'nt ikiwi sell servers? why would'nt you use one of your own? makes no sense</quote>

    For $49 I thought I could not pass it up, plus if it goes well after testitng its far cheaping to resell them I guess - well for low spec anyway.
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    Originally posted by ikiwi.net
    <quote>lol am i mistaken or does'nt ikiwi sell servers? why would'nt you use one of your own? makes no sense</quote>

    For $49 I thought I could not pass it up, plus if it goes well after testitng its far cheaping to resell them I guess - well for low spec anyway.
    do you guys have your own servers you also sell or are you strictly resellers?

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    Please keep the thread on-topic. Use PM for off-topic discussion, so that a poor soul such as myself doesn't check the thread every minute.

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    Originally posted by chrisb
    What's strange to me is that these UCG threads have gone on for days and many pages, and yet UCG still has not addressed the in/out bandwidth routing question, or been willing to name all of their incoming and outgoing bandwidth providers.
    Yeah, I'm also anxious to hear UCG's response. I'm feeling a bit weary right now about UnitedColo.

    Oh yeah, Chris; This is what a fixedorbit search pulls up: http://www.fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cg...unitedcolo.com


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    after tracing numerious sites (mostly cvsup*.freebsd.org) they do have internap and that bluetelegraph for outgoing


    3 63.251.61.229 (63.251.61.229) 0.887 ms 0.575 ms 0.562 ms
    4 63.251.63.70 (63.251.63.70) 0.906 ms 0.629 ms 0.730 ms
    ^ those will use internap

    3 ge-1-2-0.cr1.sfo1.bluetelegraph.com (157.206.254.245) 0.564 ms 0.526 ms 0.600 ms

    ^ that uses well bluetelegraph as you can see which from i seen so far peers with williams or cogent

    out of all the sites ive traced it used cogent once, williams a fair number of times, and internap the most

    basicly it only takes cogent if the other host has cogent
    like fdcservers..

    3 ge-1-2-0.cr1.sfo1.bluetelegraph.com (157.206.254.245) 0.671 ms 1.755 ms 0.682 ms
    4 g1.ba21.b003070-1.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.20.225) 3.027 ms 3.256 ms 2.909 ms
    5 g1-2.core01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.249) 3.107 ms 2.858 ms 2.991 ms
    6 p14-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.41) 150.825 ms 62.432 ms 62.293 ms
    7 g49.ba02.b000268-0.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.74) 62.993 ms 66.388 ms 62.283 ms
    8 Datacenter.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.21.82) 68.217 ms 73.734 ms 71.156 ms
    9 * 66.28.242.138 (66.28.242.138) 74.406 ms 73.730 ms


    EDIT: tip for those with bsd who dont feel like searching for cvsup servers

    i found some .... ok ones
    cvsup.yahoo.com (cvsup10.freebsd.org)
    cvsup.above.net (cvsup14.freebsd.org)

    8 ge-1-2-0.msr1.sc5.yahoo.com (216.115.101.234) 2.783 ms 2.876 ms 2.753 ms
    9 vl48.bas2-m.sc5.yahoo.com (66.163.160.214) 3.179 ms vl42.bas2-m.sc5.yahoo.com (66.163.160.218) 3.457 ms 2.881 ms
    10 ocvsup.FreeBSD.org (216.136.204.25) 3.471 ms 3.439 ms 2.757 ms

    &

    11 pos1-0.mpr5.sjc2.us.mfnx.net (208.185.156.66) 4.233 ms 4.291 ms 4.016 ms
    12 pos0-0.er6a.sjc2.us.mfnx.net (208.184.210.66) 4.176 ms 4.021 ms 4.549 ms
    13 cvsup.above.net (208.185.175.214) 5.044 ms 5.237 ms 4.910 ms
    Last edited by Faggle; 09-23-2002 at 07:32 PM.
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  24. #74
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    Originally posted by 311
    Oh yeah, Chris; This is what a fixedorbit search pulls up: http://www.fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cg...unitedcolo.com
    I see EContinents there, interesting.

    BTW, that also shows that they are not a direct customer of nor get a bandwith directly from Internap, at least does not seem so. Feel free to compare it against our company as an example.

    But having being very suspicious about them very much (especially in how they are routing their traffic with the possibility of intentionally giving misleading information), I still think the $49/mo for the server is a very-very good deal.
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    FHDave,

    Getting your own IP allocation is not an easy task so we asked some of the old consultants from ECI to assist. Since ECI was being absorbed by another company, they gave up their ASN 22427 and we ended up with it from ARIN.

    Do a lookup on arin.net on either our IPs or ASN 22427 and it only show United Colocation Group, Inc. Looks like fixedorbit needs to update their "orbit" a little sooner.
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