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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by temasek View Post
    like many operator in China, when you buy a new handphone it come with already installed game inside the phone and if you want to play the game loaded in the handphone you need to pay for it. Same goes to the addon on service in the cpanel.
    What? How does that comparison make any sense? That is not even similar, lets compare Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges. cPanel is not a phone.

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    Adding options is fine, turning them on by default is not. I hope they reconsider their stance on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [x10]Corey View Post
    Adding options is fine, turning them on by default is not. I hope they reconsider their stance on this.
    Agreed.

    They can have options to enable 100 things like this for all I care, but I do not want the files on the server by default, nor do I want them active by default.

    I don't want to see them get distracted by having to fix issues with the integration and just add unnecessary bulk/overhead to cPanel/WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibb View Post
    By default this will be installed on all new servers
    Only a complete moron would put a server live without configuring it first, and one of the things you'd do at that stage is turn off the mountain of extraneous junk that any application/control-panel/whatever installs/enables.

    "clever" admins will 'rewrite' the optionswith something else and do their own upselling
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    Quote Originally Posted by othellotech View Post
    Only a complete moron would put a server live without configuring it first
    That is true for new servers that you are preparing to bring live, but cPanel pushes this malware forcefully on live servers.
    They won't let you choose not to install it (you can only turn it off, but it will install first on your live servers during a regular cPanel update in the close future). I disabled automatic updates for now on all of my shared hosting cPanel server until this problem solves and I recommend everyone doing so.

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    They've sold us all out here. Offered as an optional addon and off by default, I have no problem with things like this. Pushed to servers and activated by default during an update, I will do everything within my power to kill it the moment it hits our servers and prevent it's return.
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    This is not a good step forward by cPanel and they should be made aware that we don't appreciate doing this. The best thing to do is disable automatic updates and check the changelog before performing an update.
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    What amazes me is that there are so many crucial addons for cPanel which we need in daily bases (I personally love Munin, I install it on every of our servers first thing) but we still have to install it to enable it. That is cool, proper way to do things.
    This time they sold us out by installing third-party app on our servers without our acceptance.
    Plus, there are so many things we need from cPanel and have been requested over and over for years now and never gave them to us, while this malware gets installed no problem whatsoever :@

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibb View Post
    When I dropped Plesk as the major panel for similar issues like this and other issues, I had 2 choices in mind. Hosting Controller and cPanel.
    You ever tried Directadmin or Interworx?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear View Post
    I will do everything within my power to kill it the moment it hits our servers and prevent it's return.
    Simply uninstall cPanel that will fix the problem 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by xeno007 View Post
    I disabled automatic updates for now on all of my shared hosting cPanel server
    That should be step-1 of your server configuration plan
    *NEVER* let someone else decide when to update and what to update on your systems !
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    Quote Originally Posted by othellotech View Post
    That should be step-1 of your server configuration plan
    *NEVER* let someone else decide when to update and what to update on your systems !

    This is so very true and it's surprising the amount of people who just turn on every auto update possible. It's great it keeps software up to date but you get all kinds of surprises in the process. It's pretty easy to be reading the changelog ahead of time, testing then mass deploying to system. For us anyways this is how we treat software updates so there are very few surprises when things hit our production systems.
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    I really hope that someone from cPanel sees this thread. I dont mind the feature being there but not enabeled by default. If they see outrage from their customers, they may choose to not go forward
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMyers View Post
    I really hope that someone from cPanel sees this thread. I dont mind the feature being there but not enabeled by default. If they see outrage from their customers, they may choose to not go forward
    The problem if the deal is closed already :-)

    cPanel will soon be burned by this decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMyers View Post
    I really hope that someone from cPanel sees this thread.
    They've seen it on their own forum, and simply don't seem to care. As net said, they've already sealed this deal and we can't convince them to reverse that decision.

    If there were other reasonably viable alternatives, I'm sure it wouldn't have been done in this manner. "Over a barrel" is a phrase that comes to mind, as they have a pretty large market share. Disgraceful way to behave.
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  16. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by twikamltd View Post
    I was wondering what was holding up important features, like I don't know...IPv6, now we know, forced opt-out 3rd party SEO modules.
    The only reason for them to spend time in implementing Attracta defacto to million of users, is being in financial desperation.

    Think about it. This measure may appear to be unfair, but in the end, how many users will end using Attracta? a few thousands, newbie, non-tech guys (take a peek to the big Attracta directory of traffic building, full of dead sites). That is more profitable than increasing the cPanel license fee, thus risking to lose customers.

    Quote Originally Posted by temasek View Post
    like many operator in China, when you buy a new handphone it come with already installed game inside the phone and if you want to play the game loaded in the handphone you need to pay for it. Same goes to the addon on service in the cpanel.
    China only? There are several operators all around the world doing that. In South America is a common practice. The cell phone include several bundled products you can opt to use after paying, or just ignore it and uninstall it.
    I know cPanel cannot be compared to a cell phone, but they are applying the same basic marketing idea. The advertiser may be seen by potential users, the operator receive a fee, and users just uninstall the crap. And everybody is happy!

    So, my recommendation is: keep cPanel up to date, that is always better than having an old system. You are paying the license, so why not updating. I will study "postupcp" scripting in WHM to write an uninstalling routine after every cpanel update.
    Refer to: docs.cpanel.net/twiki/bin/view/SoftwareDevelopmentKit/ScriptHooks

    You can love it or you can hate it. If you hate it, switch to other platform. If you only hate this feature, let's uninstall it.

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    Attracta is worthless.
    I tested it out a few months ago, and it was really outdated ideology, as far as I was concerned.

    The biggest issue is that you're unable to remove subdomains, change settings, etc.
    Attracta auto-fills from cPanel, and it really makes a mess.

    It's also not clear if their crappy XML sitemap will conflict with XMLs generated from inside a quality CMS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post
    Attracta is worthless.
    I tested it out a few months ago, and it was really outdated ideology, as far as I was concerned.

    The biggest issue is that you're unable to remove subdomains, change settings, etc.
    Attracta auto-fills from cPanel, and it really makes a mess.

    It's also not clear if their crappy XML sitemap will conflict with XMLs generated from inside a quality CMS.
    I know. That's why I think it's a deal targeted to newbie unaware users.
    From what I've readed in several forums and in the Attracta support forum, they don't overwrite your sitemap because they CREATE a robots.txt file where the URL for the sitemap is set, pointing to an URL in THEIR CDN. Issue: when creating this robots.txt, I've readed that previous version of this file is overwritten (ouch!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kent Brockman View Post
    I know. That's why I think it's a deal targeted to newbie unaware users.
    From what I've readed in several forums and in the Attracta support forum, they don't overwrite your sitemap because they CREATE a robots.txt file where the URL for the sitemap is set, pointing to an URL in THEIR CDN. Issue: when creating this robots.txt, I've readed that previous version of this file is overwritten (ouch!)
    There are 3 problems

    1) Privacy - Technically it is transmitting domain details to a 3rd party service

    2) "Give them an inch" - It starts out with this and eventually could move to worse things (like full blown ads)

    3) Support - Now hosts need to provide support for this if they dont turn it off
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMyers View Post
    There are 3 problems

    1) Privacy - Technically it is transmitting domain details to a 3rd party service

    2) "Give them an inch" - It starts out with this and eventually could move to worse things (like full blown ads)

    3) Support - Now hosts need to provide support for this if they dont turn it off
    You forgot one thing besides those 3 valid points which are a concern.

    4) Increased IT costs

    The minute your admins need to disable this on new servers, your own, or your sold servers to clients, it means more time wasted on stupid sys admin tasks. And it will popup again on each update. Even if it takes 5 minutes, its 5 minutes + on each new server, and on each new cPanel update which has to be done and make sure its gone, and in the case it has problems or conflicts, lets say you cannot remove it, or it leaves traces, then you can double this.

    I also think cPanel has financial problems to came up with bundling such an ugly services as a default feature. Personally I tested myself Attracta and its offers nothing which I can consider of value. The free service and even paid one is worth nothing in my personal opinion. Its pure marketing and nice talk, they even advertise your site submitted to Yahoo, really? If its on Bing its already on Yahoo as well, so its all just bluff for newbie users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibb View Post
    I also think cPanel has financial problems to came up with bundling such an ugly services as a default feature. Personally I tested myself Attracta and its offers nothing which I can consider of value. The free service and even paid one is worth nothing in my personal opinion. Its pure marketing and nice talk, they even advertise your site submitted to Yahoo, really? If its on Bing its already on Yahoo as well, so its all just bluff for newbie users.
    Yep, I stated the same, maybe in a "tacky" manner:
    forums.cpanel.net/f133/attracta-become-new-feature-cpanel-whm-q-264422-p2.html#post1106631

    But they simply cannot answer to most of the questions, and deviate with nice talk. It's for newbies. So, I will try to write a script to uninstalling using postupcp events.

    Although, the moderator at cPanel warned me to wait for the big announcement they are about to post... let's see what's on.

  22. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by KMyers View Post
    ...
    1) Privacy - Technically it is transmitting domain details to a 3rd party service
    ...
    They add ads to opt-in users of the program AdDollars. Automatically? It seems so. They install a mod inside Apache:
    attractaseo.com/partner_kit/technology.html

    Does this mod install for every domain hosted whether or not its owner had signed up with Attracta? or the hook to the Attracta's js addon are installed only when user triggered a signup on their account? Don't know. One of the lines from the uninstall includes this:
    perl /usr/local/cpanel/Cpanel/Attracta/Scripts/remove_apache_module.pl

    Tada! automatic privacy invasion for free? wheee

    Please don't label me as assuming without facts, I just have my doubts founded in what I can see after googling the brand a bit.

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    well, time to cancel the few cpanel accounts i have and never sign up for any more

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    and cPanel thinks this thread doesn't affect them: http://forums.cpanel.net/f133/attrac...ml#post1113912

    Hmmmm.... let's see.

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    They will see they're wrong when they will see they start to lose customers.
    I am personally not against Attracta and it's cooperation with cPanel.
    I love addons. I think there should be an addon for cPanel that makes your regular website a adult website automatically, with few clicks. Also an addon that makes you coffee in the morning with only a click. Why not, options are good.
    The way I see it, our problem is that cPanel will install automatically and enable by default an third-party app which we may or may not love it. That is for the sysadmin to decide. Just don't INSTALL it on my server unless I specifically choose to, like I do for Munin, @mail, other third-party addons. That is all we want. Enable it to be easy to install/use, that is good. Just don't install and enable it by default.

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